Gun Industry Wins Lawsuit Brought by NYC


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S4Lee
April 30, 2008, 02:58 PM
Score 1 for common sense:

http://www.1010wins.com/Gun-Industry-Wins-Lawsuit-Brought-by-NYC/2100159

Gun Industry Wins Lawsuit Brought by NYC


NEW YORK (AP) -- A federal appeals court Wednesday tossed out New York City's lawsuit claiming the gun industry markets weapons with the knowledge that they could be diverted into illegal markets.

The 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that a federal law provides the gun industry with broad immunity from lawsuits brought by crime victims and violence-plagued cities.

A Brooklyn judge had allowed the lawsuit to proceed, though it had not yet reached trial.

New York is one of several cities which had sued gun makers. It said the industry violated public nuisance law by failing to take reasonable steps to stop widespread access to illegal firearms.

The lawsuit asked for no monetary damages. It had sought a court order for gun makers to more closely monitor those dealers who frequently sell guns later used to commit crimes.

``I am disappointed in the court's decision,'' said Mayor Michael Bloomberg. ``Regardless of this ruling, we will continue our fight against illegal guns full bore _ in the courtrooms, on the streets and in the Congress.''

City Corporation Counsel Michael Cardozo said his office ``is analyzing the decision'' before deciding whether to appeal.

Lawrence G. Keane, a lawyer for the National Shooting Sports Foundation, a firearms industry trade association, called the ruling ``very gratifying to members of the firearms industry.''

He said Congress ``understood that frivolous lawsuits like New York City's defied common sense and represented a clear abuse of the judicial system that threatened to bankrupt a responsible and law-abiding industry.''

The city said the state nuisance law makes it a crime to knowingly or recklessly create a condition endangering the safety or health of a considerable number of people. The appeals court said New York's law does not qualify as an exception to federal law. It agreed with U.S. District Judge Jack B. Weinstein that the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, signed by President Bush in 2005, is constitutional.

The lawsuit was first brought in June 2000 while Rudy Giuliani was mayor. It was delayed due to the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and because of similar litigation in the state courts.

The city refiled the lawsuit in January 2004, saying manufacturers let handguns reach illegal markets at gun shows in which non-licensed people can sell to other private citizens; through private sales in which background checks are not required; by oversupplying markets where gun regulations are lax, and by having poor overall security.

In a dissent, Judge Robert Katzmann said the other two appeals panel members provided ``unclear language and rationale'' to explain their findings, leaving future courts without guidance in similar cases. He said they also had broken ``from our longstanding practice of avoiding difficult constitutional questions when possible.''

Katzmann said he would have preferred that the panel ask New York's highest state court to decide whether the law could be used against gun makers.

The federal law prevents any civil damages, restitution or penalties resulting from the illegal use of a gun by its purchaser or a third party. An exception is allowed if a plaintiff proves the manufacturer has knowingly broken the law when selling or marketing firearms.

The appeals court said Congress, in limiting such lawsuits, ``explicitly found that the third-party suits that the act bars are a direct threat to the firearms industry.''

It said Congress had not exceeded its authority ``where there can be no question of the interstate character of the industry in question and where Congress rationally perceived a substantial effect on the industry of the litigation that the act seeks to curtail.''

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gunshow
April 30, 2008, 03:03 PM
No the truth wins. I'm glad "judge" weinstein is about to retire. I'm further glad that the appeals court overruled that idiot.

Winchester 73
April 30, 2008, 03:53 PM
Gun-owners 1,Judge Weinstein 0.

Standing Wolf
April 30, 2008, 04:42 PM
``I am disappointed in the court's decision,'' said Mayor Michael Bloomberg. ``Regardless of this ruling, we will continue our fight against illegal guns full bore _ in the courtrooms, on the streets and in the Congress.''

Leftist extremists just can't stand reality.

Fburgtx
April 30, 2008, 05:30 PM
The city said the state nuisance law makes it a crime to knowingly or recklessly create a condition endangering the safety or health of a considerable number of people.

So will they be prosecuting Al Sharpton for his plan to "shut down New York"????

ArmedBear
April 30, 2008, 05:37 PM
by having poor overall security

That's RIDICULOUS!

Have you ever talked to someone who ran a gun shop that lost track of a gun? I have.

During their own paperwork audit, a local gun shop found that they did not have a record of a single gun, out of thousands that go through there annually.

They notified the ATF, who spent a couple of days there, interrogating all the employees like they were criminals, going through everything like they were an ancient army sacking a city.

That's what happens if one gun out of thousands, over the course of many years, is not properly accounted for in the mounds of paperwork a gun shop must keep.

If this happened again, I have little doubt the ATF would shut them down.

How is that "poor overall security"?!? How could this possibly account for all the "illegal guns" used in street crime?

.cheese.
April 30, 2008, 06:09 PM
good

Len S
April 30, 2008, 08:12 PM
They should start making the cities pay the legal bills for the firearm mfgs. The cities use taxpayer money and they can spend any gunshop or even mfg out of business. They know they can't win on the merits of the case they just want to grind them under the slow moving wheels of frivolous lawsuits. Once the feds passed the law protecting the MFG.s every lawsuit should be met with "go ahead but loser pays the legal bills"


Len

Bubbles
May 1, 2008, 02:08 PM
I have to wonder how the gun dealers who just a few weeks ago settled with NY and agreed to additional scrutiny of their operations feel right about now...

MakAttak
May 1, 2008, 02:17 PM
They should start making the cities pay the legal bills for the firearm mfgs. The cities use taxpayer money and they can spend any gunshop or even mfg out of business. They know they can't win on the merits of the case they just want to grind them under the slow moving wheels of frivolous lawsuits. Once the feds passed the law protecting the MFG.s every lawsuit should be met with "go ahead but loser pays the legal bills"

Work for Tort reform.

It's the only way to stop these frivilous lawsuits (and many other problems).

El Tejon
May 1, 2008, 02:39 PM
Score 1 for common sense? No.

Score 1 for the NRA, yes.

For all the kicking of our allies on THR that is so popular, this victory was brought to you by the National Rifle Association and the National Rifle Association alone. It was the NRA that worked to pass the needed tort reform legislation that has been alluded to, but not given proper credit here on this thread.

I know we would all rather whine and moan about all the spam and unwanted soliciations for donations but my money paid for that victory. All of you who would rather complain about junk mail than pull your weight, you are welcome.:)

Kim
May 2, 2008, 12:56 AM
There was some Democratic leader guy on Fox this evening who thought there was a very GOOD chance Obama would pick Bloombery as his VP. Now that would be horrible.

Sage of Seattle
May 2, 2008, 02:47 AM
Score 1 for common sense? No.

Score 1 for the NRA, yes.

For all the kicking of our allies on THR that is so popular, this victory was brought to you by the National Rifle Association and the National Rifle Association alone. It was the NRA that worked to pass the needed tort reform legislation that has been alluded to, but not given proper credit here on this thread.

I know we would all rather whine and moan about all the spam and unwanted soliciations for donations but my money paid for that victory. All of you who would rather complain about junk mail than pull your weight, you are welcome.

El T, it's scary when you channel Robert Hairless... :p

El Tejon
May 2, 2008, 08:51 AM
*kicks rocks*

Sorry, Robert.:uhoh:

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