Interesting gun store conversation observed


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brighamr
April 30, 2008, 03:29 PM
I was in a local gun store Monday and there was a Mother with her 4 year old daughter. (the store is a "sporting goods" store with a wide selection of firearms, it appeared they were perusing the fishing section).

At one point the young girl saw the rack of guns against the wall and stated "mommy I don't like guns". The mother responded "why not?". "Because they'll hurt me". The mother responded "they only hurt you if you use them the wrong way. Your grandpa hunts with them and that's where we get the deer sausage you like so much".

what interests me is if this same conversation occurred in CA or NY, how many anti parents would be upset? How many people would tell the store management they should keep guns out of sight of children/customers?

I was happy to see someone who didn't typically look like a shooter telling her daughter that the guns don't hurt people, it's the people using them. I'm also happy the store proudly displays EBRs, .50BMGs, and a whole selection of 1911's. Some of the stores I've been to in other states keep these locked up or "in the back".

thoughts?

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Mr_Rogers
April 30, 2008, 03:52 PM
Sounds as though her pre-school had been working on the daughter.

Dahwg
April 30, 2008, 03:54 PM
Sounds as though her pre-school had been working on the daughter.

My sentiments exactly. Good for the mom!

gunshow
April 30, 2008, 04:09 PM
"mommy I don't like guns". The mother responded "why not?". "Because they'll hurt me".Sounds as though her pre-school had been working on the daughter.Yes, that is the most likely source of that brainwashing. What that girl said was too organized and too "adult" sounding. Also, kids are wayyyy smarter than to say illogical and POINTED nonsense like that. Yes girls are different and learn quickly to jump to conclusions, especially emotionally based ones, but this answer was too organized and pre packaged to be originated by a 4 year old. Also, most girls are also taught young to HATE things the boys like. I didn't think this until I SAW it in action on many occasions. Furthermore, just take a glance down the girls toy aisle. It's ALL pink and it's clear that toymakers know that parents (stuff for kids is marketed to parents since parents have the cash), especially moms, have a very NON inclusive view of what their daughters should be playing with (i.e. moms are frequently paranoid of letting little Kaiylieeeee play with ANYTHING seen as "boyish." She's allowed to "choose" from dolls, or other dolls, or ponies, or dolls, or doll clothes, or kitchen stuff for the dolls, all with pink packaging). The girls toy aisle resembles the "choices" that north Koreans get, meaning not many.

I wouldn't be surprised if a 4 year old girl naturally said "guns scare me" or something like that, but this girl is being fed brady talking points, probably from "school."

Dope
April 30, 2008, 04:33 PM
Oh geez, how that conversation would have gone here in MA...

Dope

Nickotym
April 30, 2008, 05:14 PM
Good on the mom, sounds like she may be a member here. :)

Ghost Tracker
April 30, 2008, 05:31 PM
Too many college students sound like...the FOUR YEAR OLD!

Starship1st
April 30, 2008, 05:51 PM
See, this is how all good parents should handle a question like this, by explaining that guns are not evil; that it can be (in the case of hunting) a useful tool.

Now this kid will be more understanding about fire arms and why we have them.

We need more responsible parents like this mother. :cool:

bannockburn
April 30, 2008, 05:52 PM
Ghost Tracker

Actually way too many adults sound like the four year old girl.

brekneb
April 30, 2008, 08:12 PM
Holy crap. I would've asked the mom if she was single.

scrat
April 30, 2008, 08:27 PM
Wow big hamr good post

sniper5
April 30, 2008, 08:50 PM
Oh, I don't know if it would have been any different in CA. Haven't met too many anti-gunners hanging out at the counter in any gun store I've been in. As for flak for displaying. . . well, you're in a gun store. . .Duh!

Although I did get a kick out of the time my firearms naive wife whispered: "That guy behind the counter is wearing a gun!!"

I just smiled and said: "Look around"

Then it dawned on her that ALL the employees were armed.

She said: "Why are they all armed?"

I repeated: "Look around"

Then I saw the light bulb go on and she said: "Oh, yeah"

mek42
April 30, 2008, 09:08 PM
Sniper - It was bit of a shock for me seeing my local gun store owner open carrying in his shop the first time too. And this after I got my CCW. I think part of it is exposure - there is no open carry in NY - I'm really starting to think that open carry (where you won't end up in jail) would be a great way to expose people to seeing weapons and tus begin to desensitize them.

Do people really think the child picked up her gun aversion in pre-school / day care?

TallPine
April 30, 2008, 09:11 PM
Do people really think the child picked up her gun aversion in pre-school / day care?

Well, I doubt that she picked it up from her mom ... :rolleyes:

TEDDY
April 30, 2008, 09:16 PM
you better believe it.a lot of teachers have been indoctrinated in socialism.and the camel has his nose into the schools.:uhoh::rolleyes::fire::D

cornman
April 30, 2008, 09:33 PM
I think children are naturally grounded and have strong souls. This is why most children will love animals and hate death and killing. It is after years of exposure to our violent culture and media that they loose this connection to the greater wisdom. I will teach my children to shoot when the are old enough but never to hunt unless needed.

The Lone Haranguer
April 30, 2008, 10:07 PM
Good on the mom, sounds like she may be a member here.
If not, she should be. :cool:

Dksimon
April 30, 2008, 10:10 PM
+1 for the pro-gunners!

McCall911
April 30, 2008, 10:35 PM
Interesting gun store conversation observed



That's one level-headed and intelligent lady! My hat's off to her!

:)

JColdIron
May 1, 2008, 03:16 PM
What I take from this is... Not enough people get deer sausage:D

I had a similar experience camping. We sat down to eat a chilli meal one of the guys premade for the trip and guns came up, somehow. We had a guy with us who was gun adverse. Not really anti but uncomfortable and under experienced. "I don't like guns" he says but can't really articulate why.

I grabbed his bowl just as he was to fill it and said I guess you don't like chilli either cause this is venison chilli, shot with a 7mm magnum:) The maker chimed in with a yup. He paused a bit and had this kinda confused look on his face and we gave him back the bowl.

I think think the he is beginning to see the value of firearms. It was really good chilli;)

txgho1911
May 1, 2008, 11:36 PM
Getting so bad in some schools the kids have all manner of pressure to follow the teachers lead over the parents. They control to some degree the kids social life while at school and they take advantage of that for whatever they want to instruct on in addition to curicula. Captive audience.

Kitchen_Duty
May 2, 2008, 01:46 AM
Weird how education can go both ways, good for guns, bad for guns when all guns are just tools.

"The pen is mightier than a sword" some say.

Vermont
May 2, 2008, 07:31 AM
Sounds as though her pre-school had been working on the daughter

Or maybe she saw something on TV that made her dislike guns. That seems more likely to me.

Sato Ord
May 2, 2008, 07:54 AM
"The pen is mightier than a sword" some say.

Yeah, but those who say that always leave out the first part of the damn quote.

"Beneath the rule of men entirely great, the pen is mightier than the sword." - Edward Bulwer-Lytton

We are not beneath the rule of men entirely great!

Good for the mom in the original post.

One question to the Original Poster though, what does a "typical shooter" look like?

FLORIDA KEVIN
May 2, 2008, 10:25 AM
i guess the next thing they will be teaching in school is the the Revolutionary War was just a negotiation! No shots were fired !

TallPine
May 2, 2008, 10:31 AM
I think children are naturally grounded and have strong souls. This is why most children will love animals and hate death and killing. It is after years of exposure to our violent culture and media that they loose this connection to the greater wisdom. I will teach my children to shoot when the are old enough but never to hunt unless needed.

Vegetables have rights, too! :p

mgregg85
May 2, 2008, 10:43 AM
Hearing stuff like that makes me think maybe there is still hope for this country.

JesseL
May 2, 2008, 11:01 AM
I think children are naturally grounded and have strong souls. This is why most children will love animals and hate death and killing. It is after years of exposure to our violent culture and media that they loose this connection to the greater wisdom. I will teach my children to shoot when the are old enough but never to hunt unless needed.

My 18 month old son loves animals . He's learned the sounds made by all of his toy animals (though he had to invent a sound for the giraffe) and plays with them for hours.

A couple weeks ago my wife and I watched him make his lion and tiger attack the other animals (he had them going right for the throat too). Nobody had ever taught him about predators and prey, but he seemed to have a natural understanding.

When he's served a piece of chicken, he enjoys holding it up and saying "cluck cluck cluck" and then devouring it.

He loves animals and understands that death and killing is part of the natural order of things too. He hasn't been exposed to much violent culture or media either.

Rachen
May 2, 2008, 12:28 PM
At one point the young girl saw the rack of guns against the wall and stated "mommy I don't like guns". The mother responded "why not?". "Because they'll hurt me".

Sad. Very sad.

However, the mom responded well though. That child needs to receive a real education at home. Maybe her parents will teach her not to trust everything she is taught in school. Some things are knowledge, other things are pure bullsh*t. She must learn how to distinguish from these two, because sometimes, bullsh*t is coated with candy and chocolate to make it seem sweeter and more appetizing.

Sato Ord
May 2, 2008, 12:35 PM
Vegetables have rights, too!

I don't meat because I hate animals, I eat meat because I love plants.

Save the grass, eat a cow.

I'm a member of PETA

That's People for the Eating of Tasty Animals.

SavageMOA
May 2, 2008, 06:42 PM
PETA member: "do you know what they DO to those poor cows?!"
me: "No, but it's delicious."

but seriously, I'm happy to hear that this mother had the sense of mind to straighten this out! Maybe the little girl will go tell her friends the truth?

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