Driving Through S. Illinois


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Bear2000
May 1, 2008, 02:35 PM
I'm driving through SOUTHERN (woops) Illinois on my way to Colorado from North Carolina this summer. I've got about 110 miles on I-70 in Illinois. My NC CCW is good in all other states I'm traveling through, but not Illinois. I'll have my .308 and one or two handguns with me.

Any advice? If I disassemble the guns and keep the slides locked in separate cases in the trunk, will I be compliant? Or should I stick the the speed limit and not worry about it, just keep the guns in the trunk?

Thanks!

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damien
May 1, 2008, 02:42 PM
As far as I know, to be compliant in Illinois you need to have your guns unloaded, in a case, and have your FOID card. The FOID card requirement is waived for non-Illinois residents, so don't worry about that. Illinois isn't New Jersey for guns. Cook County is, but not the rest of the state

What you propose is above and beyond the law, I think you are OK. Here is what the state police have to say, maybe print this out and bring it with you just in case:

http://www.isp.state.il.us/foid/firearmsfaq.cfm

If a non-resident is coming to Illinois to hunt and would like to bring their firearm, how do they legally transport it?

Non- residents must be legally eligible to possess or acquire firearms and ammunition in their state of residence. It is recommended that, in order to be in compliance with all statutes, non-residents transport all firearms:
o Unloaded, and
o Enclosed in a case, and
o Not immediately accessible or broken down in a nonfunctioning state.

The last item above is for the Wildlife code, not the UUW statute (which is the more serious violation). In the trunk fulfills "not immediately accessable"

ShunZu
May 1, 2008, 02:45 PM
Advice is correct. Cased in a GUN case (suitcase is not OK), and unloaded is legal when going through Illinois, unless you're driving through East. St. Louis, where a city ordinance prohibits transportation of ANY firearm. Have never been able to figure out how those folks ever get to go hunting...

Good luck on your pass-through. And be glad to don't live in IL. :)

MakAttak
May 1, 2008, 02:48 PM
Also, I-70 is NOWHERE NEAR Northern IL. Most people downstate aren't crazy. You should be fine with them in your trunk.

Bear2000
May 1, 2008, 02:58 PM
MakAttak - my bad, I meant Southern Illinois!

Thanks for the advice. This shouldn't be that bad. I'll just remove the slide off my carry gun and put it in the back for those 100 miles. The .308 is in a case anyway, as will any additional guns I bring.

sqlbullet
May 1, 2008, 03:16 PM
Since you will be traveling I-70, the part about East St. Louis is relevant. Be sure you take the I-270 Belt around the north of St. Louis (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=1516418876031229472,38.755422,-89.876375&saddr=I-70+E+%4038.755422,+-89.876375&daddr=38.756225,-90.460739&mra=mi&mrsp=1,0&sz=12&sll=38.769343,-90.42263&sspn=0.167567,0.234833&ie=UTF8&ll=38.74016,-90.09613&spn=0.670542,0.939331&z=10) so you avoid East St. Louis. Traffic and speed are better this route as well.

Also, wave to my grandparents farm (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=62441&ie=UTF8&ll=39.427707,-87.765999&spn=0.083005,0.117416&z=13&layer=c&cbll=39.399188,-87.772422&cbp=1,166.56945672287804,,0,2.7027848134458794) as you drive through.

MachIVshooter
May 1, 2008, 03:28 PM
Just don't be stupid, and there'lll be no problem. I went through South Illinois last year on my way from CO to GA. I was on my bike, so really no good way to secure a firearm. I just left it on my hip and drove like a sane person.

I was a little more concerned about hassles on the way back, driving with no plates in the truck I had bought in GA, which kinda sticks out:

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n117/Hunter2506/Deuceatwork.jpg

But there were no hassles, despite passing several Illinois statie's through cone zones.

Ironically, though I passed dozens of city/county/state cops in the 7 states I traveled, I get pulled over for not having plates a mere 12 miles from home by the Kiowa police chief. This was 2 weeks after I got back, and I had just picked up the temp tags at the DMV in Kiowa, but had no tape to attach them.:rolleyes:

Picard
May 1, 2008, 03:32 PM
From what I know about Illinois laws, all you need is to have your gun in a case with the magazines removed. They can be loaded or unloaded. If you want to make sure that you'll be safe, just keep your mags unloaded and put your guns in the trunk. I wouldn't worry about disassembling them.

Winchester 73
May 1, 2008, 03:39 PM
I wouldn't worry about disassembling them

That's correct.FOPA Act of 1986 doesn't require it:

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 44 > 926APrev | Next 926A. Interstate transportation of firearms
Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver’s compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000926---A000-.html

stevereno1
May 1, 2008, 05:20 PM
drive the speed limit, use your turn signal, drive VERY well, and GET THE HECK OUT OF ILLINOIS!!!

catfish101
May 1, 2008, 05:48 PM
Just run through Tenn. and avoid the hassle.

grimjaw
May 1, 2008, 05:49 PM
Any advice?

Hurry.

jm

Im283
May 1, 2008, 05:53 PM
avoid it period to be safe. A few extra dollars in fuel is good insurance.

Eightball
May 1, 2008, 05:55 PM
My advice?

Don't.

NavyLCDR
May 1, 2008, 05:56 PM
Also, according to FOPA, don't have the ammo accessible to you/passengers either, it gets locked up with the guns. Who cares about St. Louis? FOPA would cover travelling through St. Louis as well, so long as it is not a destination.

Also, you don't need to disassemble anything so long as it is unloaded and locked in the trunk.

Soybomb
May 1, 2008, 06:01 PM
I think many people seem to think all of IL is chicago. Southern illinois is fine, follow the law linked to on the state police page above.

Jeff White
May 1, 2008, 06:11 PM
Unload both weapons, put them in gun cases, put the cases in the trunk. Drive normally, have a good time.

Contrary to internet rumors there are no internal customs checkpoints at the Illinois border. There are no roadblocks at the interstate exits where K9s trained to sniff out nitrates will check your car for possible weapons. There will be no body cavity searches at the side of the road.

You will find that the officers who work in Southern Illinois are quite used to people carrying firearms in their vehicle. From August through January where I worked I would estimate that 80% of the pickups I stopped for traffic violations had a shotgun or bow, or both in them. I stopped an older gentleman from South Dakota IIRC who had a nice Model 70 hanging in the gun rack in the back of his pickup. I explained to him that it was illegal to transport it that way in Illinois. As this was years before we had 24 hour Super Wal-Marts in the area and it was around 11 pm, I gave him an old blanket I had in the back of my squad to wrap the rifle in and helped him stow it behind his seat. If you would believe everything you read on the forums about Illinois this distinguished gentleman (WWII purple heart if you could believe his license plate) would have disappeared into the gulag never to be heard from again.

I'm not saying that you won't run into someone who has a bad attitude or shouldn't be on the job, but the odds of that are really small.

Don't draw attention to yourself by doing things like driving 80+ on the interstate or speeding through work zones and your chances of even encountering a police officer are very slight. Depending on the time of day you cut across on I70, you might not even see an officer.

Jeff

glocker82
May 1, 2008, 06:15 PM
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2TransAms
May 1, 2008, 07:13 PM
...unless you're driving through East. St. Louis, where a city ordinance prohibits transportation of ANY firearm.Ironically enough,that's the place where I would most like to have a gun handy.

I think you'd be surprised how many central and southern illinoisans carry illegally or with loaded guns in there cars...What momma don't know don't hurt her.Say it ain't so...

john1911
May 1, 2008, 08:31 PM
I'm driving through SOUTHERN (woops) Illinois... I've got about 110 miles on I-70 in Illinois.

That's a long ways from Southern Illinois, more like central Illinois :neener:.

Unload them, case them up and put them in the trunk, should be fine. Don't draw attention to yourself with your driving. Watch out for "speed enforcement" traps.

I think you'll find, outside of urban areas, most leos are pretty level-headed.

davidconatser
May 1, 2008, 09:58 PM
Keep your guns and join us in Kentucky.

I am in Asheville, NC now and just drove in from Western Kentucky.

If you take the Cumberland Parkway and the other parkways in Kentucky you will go through much more beautiful country and have much less traffic than on the Interstate. You can cross into Missouri and avoid Illinois. There is even a ferry that is cooler than a bridge. But not on the parkway.

Tennessee is another option.

Just stay south of the Ohio and you are in good shape.

hotpig
May 1, 2008, 10:25 PM
driving through East. St. Louis,

If I get called there in the middle of the night I always have a Glock or 1911 tucked between my knees and I do not stop at stop signs.

Since Task Force members come from all directions we arrive separately. When we leave we all take I64 so we go in a convoy.

Since most are in various Government cars and SUV's all we see are aholes and elbows as the thugs and drug dealers run away.

Standing Wolf
May 1, 2008, 10:25 PM
Where does it say all that in the Second Amendment?

glocker82
May 1, 2008, 10:26 PM
Hotpig, what do you do?

hotpig
May 1, 2008, 10:30 PM
Metro East Arson Task Force.

Winchester 73
May 1, 2008, 10:32 PM
Hotpig, what do you do?

Better ask,bogie.He lives nearby and probably has expert advice.

glocker82
May 1, 2008, 10:32 PM
That sounds pretty cool. I live about 2 hrs from E. st louis and have never been...I've always been curious to see just how bad it is...

hotpig
May 1, 2008, 10:40 PM
I would not venture into town for any other purpose but to work. There are a lot of really nice people there also.

Superlite27
May 1, 2008, 10:51 PM
As soon as you leave Illinois, take a deep breath, and load up. We folks here in Missouri have no problem with you carrying any way you want to.

DerbyDale
May 1, 2008, 11:10 PM
Is East St. Louis really that bad? :eek:

We were/are planing a vacation to St. Louis this summer. I think the Arch and Zoo are in East St. Louis and Six Flags is West St. Louis (or just outside West).

I have my Carry Permit and I knew Illinois did not recognize it. I had planned on putting it in the trunk when going through Illinois. I thought I would be fine once I made it into MO (St. Louis), but it looks like I cant have it there either. :banghead:

hotpig
May 1, 2008, 11:12 PM
East St Louis Illinois is across the river from the Arch. The Arch and Zoo are in St Louis Mo. Six flags is west of St Louis.

Superlite27
May 1, 2008, 11:45 PM
We were/are planing a vacation to St. Louis this summer.

St. Louis is great. Missouri is vehicle carry and CCW friendly. Everything worth seeing is in St. Louis. Anheiser-Busch Brewery has an excellent tour, the St. Louis Cardinals have a new stadium, and Union Station is pretty cool too. The Arch is nifty, but not CCW friendly.

Do not cross the river into East St. Louis Illinois. The locals will enjoy taking your money almost as much as the police will enjoy taking your guns.

2TransAms
May 2, 2008, 12:22 AM
East St. Louis is not all that bad during the day,as there are some govt buildings and businesses that keep it fairly safe.

It's the 'hood. It's not a war zone. But I sure as hell wouldn't want to be there alone at night.

Soybomb
May 2, 2008, 01:34 AM
We were/are planing a vacation to St. Louis this summer. I think the Arch and Zoo are in East St. Louis and Six Flags is West St. Louis (or just outside West).
East St. Louis doesn't refer to the east side of the city in the conventional sense, its a city in IL across the river. There are no st louis attraction there short of countless leo's who all tell me they don't stop at stop at stop signs there. :D MO honors most permits I believe too so I imagine you won't have too much trouble carrying there.

MachIVshooter
May 2, 2008, 01:57 AM
It's the 'hood. It's not a war zone. But I sure as hell wouldn't want to be there alone at night.

East St. Louis doesn't refer to the east side of the city in the conventional sense, its a city in IL across the river. There are no st louis attraction there short of countless leo's who all tell me they don't stop at stop at stop signs there

Interesting. On my way out, I stopped at a little poo-hole gas station just over the IL border from St. Louis. I was alone, and on a motorcycle with Colorado plates and saddle bags at just past 2 AM. Other than a few patrons and the store clerk, the only other person I encountered was a black guy who walked up and saw me struggling to get my bike on it's center stand so that I could lube the chain, as the saddle bags left me no place to grab. He gave me a hand, and then we talked bikes for maybe 10 minutes before I politely told him that I needed to push on.

At no time did I feel that I was in danger, even though it was obvious that I was not a local and had plenty of stuff to steal.

I didn't really feel any more threatened when I stopped in Chattanooga at 11 PM or Atlanta at 3 AM, even though the places I stopped looked exactly like the ratty street corners you always see in an episode of COPS.

isp2605
May 2, 2008, 09:06 AM
I've worked several cases in E St Louis and the surrounding areas including far too many police shooting cases. In the 80s and 90s it was a shooting gallery. For several years they would total over 400 murders a year. 400 people killed every year with a population of about 25000. There were a whole lot more where people were shot, knifed, beaten, etc and not killed. To put that in perspective, taking the average size family, including parents, brother, sisters, and all their kids, every 3 years on average someone in your family would be killed. Every 4 months someone in your immediate family would be a victim of a violent crime and nearly killed.
When we went into ESL, even in day time, we didn't stop for stop signs as we'd draw fire. It was actually a bit safer to travel at night as they couldn't see who you were but you still didn't stop.
Things have gotten better in ESL since the riverboat but it's far from being a town where anyone wants to drive thru and visit. Traveling by it on I-55 or I-64 doesn't really get a person down into the really rough areas of town and since it's really not that big of a town sticking to the interstates doesn't take that long to get past. In fact most people probably don't even realize they've gone past that part of town.

ShunZu
May 2, 2008, 10:45 AM
Metro East Arson Task Force.


And I bet you stay very busy. :)

In the 70's, I was on the IL Arson Investigator's Squad, Northwest Fire Dept., Belleville. Howdy.

simmonsguns
May 2, 2008, 11:31 AM
MachIVshooter, i want one of thoes. I got a friend arround Eldon MO. with a 2 1/2 ton, POS but i runs, yours looks good.
The worst part of the trip is from KCMO to western Kansas, it's orange barrel season, be safe.

hotpig
May 2, 2008, 12:04 PM
In the 70's, I was on the IL Arson Investigator's Squad, Northwest Fire Dept., Belleville. Howdy.


I started off with the SIAIA Task Force in 1992 after getting my CFI. SIAIA is made up of mostly volunteers so they are pretty much dead right now.

ATF&E started this Task Force three years ago. We cover Madison and St Clair Counties for big ticket items including all fire deaths as well as serious injuries to public servants. We also do explosions in all 39 down state counties as needed by the ATF&E.

Minimum qualifications are CFI or LE but we also have Insurance Company Investigators and other specialists. Many of us have finished PTI and have our CAI.

OSFM provides the dogs so we have one dog at every scene. Being labs they do not mind scrubbing in and scrubbing out at every scene.

2TransAms
May 2, 2008, 07:56 PM
I'm sure your experience is not uncommon. Not everyone from East St. Louis is a thieving crack-addled criminal. I know some good people who live there,and while it's a discussion for another thread they have bought into the cycle of poverty and govt assistance. They simply live in the hood because that's all they know.

In some ways,attempting to better yourself and move away is often seen as selling out.

distra
May 2, 2008, 09:11 PM
I'm actually heading to IL this summer and I take my shotguns for skeet and backyard clays. They are cased and stored in the back of the vehicle. I also purchased a non-resident hunting permit so I could buy shot shells. :rolleyes: I've not had any problems so far.

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