Poll: Who does the America Bill of Rights apply?


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ServiceSoon
May 1, 2008, 10:39 PM
Before this (http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=360425) thread was closed because it didn't contain any firearms content, a poster made this comment 1) This is customs and border agents searching people's laptop computers entering the US, not for regular people at regular in country flights. I derived from that comment that this person doesn't think the American Bill of Rights applies to foreigners. I am only guessing and hope that the person making that comment will participate in this thread and explain their position. This made me wonder if everybody here thinks the BOR, specifically the right to bear arms, applies to Americans or all of earths homo sapiens.

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ServiceSoon
May 1, 2008, 10:46 PM
The choice "Foreigners" should actually read "Everybody."

Hoppy590
May 1, 2008, 10:50 PM
americans an "allies"

by allies i mean people entering/in the US on some form of Visa or other legal means. whether your my family, friends, or the new guy at work, once your invited into my house your all equal. who can show up unannounced is a who another list.

ServiceSoon
May 1, 2008, 10:55 PM
I take the BOR as so much more. I mean these are enumerated g-d given rights. Surely you do not have to be an American or an allie of America to be given those rights?

daniel1113
May 1, 2008, 10:56 PM
The Bill of Rights outlines many of the rights that we believe to be the most essential. As such, it should apply to any law-abiding person under U.S. jurisdiction. It should have nothing to do with citizenship.

Denying these basic rights to a law-abiding person on American soil because he/she is not a citizen is wrong, but it happens all the time.

mekender
May 1, 2008, 11:13 PM
and by americans i define those born on american soil and descended from american citizens as per the 14th amendment

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

foreign nationals are not subject to the jurisdiction of the united states unless they commit a crime on its soil

Autolycus
May 1, 2008, 11:37 PM
I agree with ServiceSoon. These are rights granted by the creator of everyone therefore in my book they should apply to everyone. Illegal alien, legal alien, or space alien it does not matter to me.

Sergeant Sabre
May 1, 2008, 11:43 PM
I derived from that comment that this person doesn't think the American Bill of Rights applies to foreigners.

I take the comment to mean that you have no reasonable expectation of privacy when crossing international boundaries. Thus, the 4th Amendment does not apply.

Jeff White
May 1, 2008, 11:43 PM
this thread isn't anymore on topic then the other one. Here are the rules for Legal:

Changes in THR structure to facilitate those goals:

* Legal forum is now for legal issues only. When giving advice, please endeavor to provide links or references to original documents, laws and other relevant resources. Please keep the topics related to guns and RKBA.

From this thread which is stickied at the top of the forum:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=297091

If you follow these simple guidelines when starting threads, they won't be closed for being off topic.

Jeff

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