The next AWB - if there is another one


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.cheese.
May 2, 2008, 12:21 AM
Do you think that the next AWB will somehow prevent you from allowing your children to inherit your AWs upon your death?

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Jorg Nysgerrig
May 2, 2008, 12:23 AM
Nope.

Picard
May 2, 2008, 01:53 AM
It will only happen if we let it. I will do everything that I can to make sure that it doesn't happen, which isn't much if I am by myself. If all gun owners united, then it definitely wouldn't happen again.

Winchester 73
May 2, 2008, 02:12 AM
Do not expect another AWB for my children or grandchildren to worry about.

rdhood
May 2, 2008, 07:46 AM
It depends on the outcome of 1) Heller and 2) the Election.

If Heller goes for an individual right and McCain wins, NO.

If Heller goes against an individual right and Obama wins, there will be an AWB by this time next year.

bogie
May 2, 2008, 09:28 AM
And the next assault weapons ban probably wont' be cosmetic, and it likely will involve smelters.

Get _that_ through your heads. This is NOT a profit opportunity, or a "buy it before you can't" opportunity.

Prince Yamato
May 2, 2008, 01:14 PM
I don't think there'll be one. I think we'll win Heller. I think we'll try to open up the MG registry and then the antis will be in full defense mode against that. AWs will drop off their radar. They'll have REAL assault rifles to complain about.

.cheese.
May 3, 2008, 12:42 AM
thanks to the mod who fixed the thread to have a poll. :)

Autolycus
May 3, 2008, 01:12 AM
I honestly expect one. None of the candidates are friendly to guns. I don't have any faith that McCain will help gunowners any more than Obama or Hillary. He is worse than them both combined in my opinion. There was one real progun canidate but his chances are dismal.

As far as Heller, I do suspect it will go in favor of gunrights but not as we want it to go. I suspect the ruling will be very limited in nature. I would love to see the machinegun registry reopen. I also would like to remind everyone that the great conservative himself, yes Ronald Reagan, betrayed us.

LAK Supply
May 3, 2008, 01:36 AM
LOL.... so Obama and Hitlery have a better 2A record than McCain in the land of make believe? :uhoh:

meef
May 3, 2008, 01:41 AM
:banghead:

I don't have any freaking assault weapons.

I have a number of rifles, handguns and a shotgun or two, but not one single assault weapon.

:banghead:

Autolycus
May 3, 2008, 02:13 AM
In my belief he is worse than them for other reasons. My fault for not clarifying. As far as second amendment issues he is not much better. As far as everything else, he is the anti-christ for all I am concerned.

Treo
May 3, 2008, 02:32 AM
I don't own a single intermediate caliber , select fire,military style rifle, so I shouldn't have a problem leaving my weapons to my kids

.cheese.
May 3, 2008, 10:06 AM
Meef - I know that. You know that.

However, if our legislators want to call our rifles Assault Weapons, we might as well refer to them as such for the sake of a specific discussion regarding their future.

I don't own any Assault Weapons either. I have a couple ARs, some Glocks, and more.... but no assault weapons. Our legislators would disagree with me.

meef
May 3, 2008, 11:33 AM
Meef - I know that. You know that.

However, if our legislators want to call our rifles Assault Weapons, we might as well refer to them as such for the sake of a specific discussion regarding their future.

I don't own any Assault Weapons either. I have a couple ARs, some Glocks, and more.... but no assault weapons. Our legislators would disagree with me.Point taken.

I just can't seem to keep myself from knee jerk reacting to the "assault rifle/battle rifle" things that pop up around here with irritating regularity - much like a chronic hemorrhoid.

Your position is much more sensible/reasonable than those.

Mea culpa.

:o

Robert J McElwain
May 3, 2008, 03:12 PM
There are no AWBs coming in the near future. Neither major party can brag about the intellectual brilliance of their politicians these days, but even these dullards are smart enough not to take on the gun owners lobby again any time soon.

Bob

cracked butt
May 3, 2008, 03:19 PM
There are no AWBs coming in the near future. Neither major party can brag about the intellectual brilliance of their politicians these days, but even these dullards are smart enough not to take on the gun owners lobby again any time soon.


You're probably right. They'll skip the whole AWB issue altogether and just go after ammunition in the form of taxes (to offset emergency room costs of course:scrutiny:), microstamping(to solve crime:rolleyes:), and lead free bullets (its for the condors and children and other endangered species:banghead:)

dispatch55126
May 3, 2008, 03:23 PM
Forget the AWB, the Socialist Republic of California is where the future lies. Banning lead ammo is the only way to cut the legs out of hunters and gun enthusiasts. Banning lead from waterfowl hunting sounded like a benign problem but it was only the beginning.

I know companies are already coming out with non-lead substitutes, but the cost of that means we pay more.

...and don't forget the bills that are trying to get ammo under the CPSC.

dispatch55126
May 3, 2008, 03:24 PM
cracked butt, we must have been typing at the same time:p

CAPTAIN MIKE
May 3, 2008, 03:42 PM
It is the Anti-crowd who called our rifles 'Assault Weapons'. /Assault weapons by their nature are automotic, not semi-automatic. I don't own any assault wepons' - I own 'Sport Utility Rifles'

bigdaddydan
May 3, 2008, 03:44 PM
no gosh dang way !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gunnerpalace
May 3, 2008, 06:52 PM
If Heller goes against an individual right and Obama wins, there will be an AWB by this time next year

If that happens an AWB will be the LEAST of our worries, think a full-scale deal.

M14/11B
May 3, 2008, 07:24 PM
Ammo is the next target...no bullets-no shootee.

Big45
May 3, 2008, 07:30 PM
Another AWB thread yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

.cheese.
May 3, 2008, 10:17 PM
Assault weapons by their nature are automotic, not semi-automatic. I don't own any assault wepons' - I own 'Sport Utility Rifles'

Unless I'm mistaken, technically it's assault rifles that are automatic weapons.

Assault weapons was a non-existent phrase coined by the media because they couldn't call them assault rifles and not be called on their error. So I guess they figured, "Well call them something that sounds almost the same and 99.9% of the public won't know the difference."

Ironically enough, the only assault I see is the assault on the 2A by coining the phrase "assault weapons."

In any case, my specific concern is - assuming there is an AWB, could we pass on our already owned firearms to our children, etc.

Don't get me wrong here. I'm very active in being pro 2A and trying to make my voice heard in Washington and local politics. I'm just proposing a hypothetical and a related question here.

bdickens
May 3, 2008, 10:39 PM
There won't be another one. Why, you say? Because we're not going to sit around on our butts and let it happen, that's why! We're goung to flood our representative's offices with letters, emails and phone calls and we're going to tell all our friends and families to do likewise.

Robert J McElwain
May 3, 2008, 11:04 PM
Craked Butt said:

You're probably right. They'll skip the whole AWB issue altogether and just go after ammunition in the form of taxes (to offset emergency room costs of course), microstamping(to solve crime), and lead free bullets (its for the condors and children and other endangered species)

That does seem to be the latest scam by the Brady Brains. It's got to be a sign of desperation because it is such a ridiculous notion from almost any point of view.

They're trying it but once Heller is settled it should just about time for these feather heads to go back into the closet.Bob

Robert J McElwain
May 3, 2008, 11:05 PM
Craked Butt said:

You're probably right. They'll skip the whole AWB issue altogether and just go after ammunition in the form of taxes (to offset emergency room costs of course), microstamping(to solve crime), and lead free bullets (its for the condors and children and other endangered species)

That does seem to be the latest scam by the Brady Brains. It's got to be a sign of desperation because it is such a ridiculous notion from almost any point of view.

They're trying it, but once Heller is settled it should just be about time for these feather heads to go back into the closet.:rolleyes:

Bob

bogie
May 3, 2008, 11:33 PM
Just remember this thread when you write in Ron Paul or Fred Thompson, or whoever.

If Hilbama is in office, it's a LOT more likely to happen. As it is, I think we're actually safer with Hillary than with Obama. And safer with McCain than with either of them, since I suspect he's had the Republican National Committee leadership have a few "come to jesus" meetings with him...

If the democrats are in office, they're going to push for an "assault weapons" (and don't even try to nail down a definition - that doesn't matter) ban that is NOT just cosmetic or model numbers. It's gonna include everything from those little wasp-waist brownings on up...

P.O.2010
May 4, 2008, 08:27 AM
I think that no matter who is elected President, unless it's Ron Paul, we're going to have another attempt at reviving the Assault Weapons Ban, especially if the decision in Heller doesn't favor individual rights. Since Ron Paul will not be elected President in this election barring extraordinary circumstances I'd say it's almost certain.

Hillary Clinton, Barrack Obama, John McCain. In the end it really makes no difference. Many involved in RKBA thought that George W. was going to be a friend to gun rights and yet he said that if a renewal of the AWB crossed his desk he'd sign it. Then, too, we also have the stand taken by the Solictor General during Heller.

The only way that a new AWB will be defeated is if everyone in the gun community comes together. That means hunters, people who only keep a pistol in their nightstand, black rifle owners, literally everybody. We also have to keep up the task of educating non-gun owners and bringing them over to our side, or at the very least, understanding and respecting us. New York has yet more anti-firearm bills pending. At least one of them makes reference to "assault weapons" and "spraying" to kill human beings. Sadly, much of the public doesn't understand that you can only "spray" with a machine gun and the guns in question are most certainly not machine guns.

Our enemy is ignorance, just as much, if not more so, than deliberate malice.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
May 4, 2008, 09:06 AM
Tell me - what is an AWB? Surely you didn't use the bogus phrase that the antis made up to make us look bad in the TITLE of a thread, did you? :banghead:

Robert J McElwain
May 4, 2008, 09:30 AM
Regardless of who the next President is, they're going to face a mountain of problems, created in the last 7.5 years, that will need fixing. Given the magnitude of these issues, I can't imagine any of the candidates looking for additional polarizing issues to further divide the electorate. So AWB will go to the far back burner, no matter who the Prez is.

Carl N. Brown
May 4, 2008, 09:40 AM
I don't have any freaking assault weapons.

Last go-around on this issue, the Gov. of New Jersey labeled the Marlin Model 60 an assault rifle. That's why Marlin stopped making magazines out to the end of the 22" barrel: to drop magazine capacity from 18 to 14 to satisfy the New Jersey definition of an assault weapon.

If an AWB comes up, it will surprise a lot of people what gets re-defined as an assault weapon.

Badlander
May 4, 2008, 01:42 PM
In 1776 flintlocks were assualt weapons. lets hope they are not assualt weapons again in 2009!

mljdeckard
May 4, 2008, 01:54 PM
I don't think the democrat winner would do anything in their first term, because it would guarantee there won't be a second term.

We must work to define our own utility rifles, to prevent the opposition from defining them FOR US.

If the NRA membership tripled or quadrupled in the next few years, meaning, that if everyone who did nothing but COMPLAIN about new gun laws got behind the organization that actually DOES something about them, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

Prince Yamato
May 4, 2008, 07:49 PM
Remember that this month Hillary Clinton sent out a mailer saying how Obama was going to take our guns away. Hillary Clinton. This time, things are a lot different than 1994. We're on the winning side. Let's make them sweat about machineguns. This time next year, I want to hear about how "machinegun" is a misnomer, like "assault weapon". They're not machineguns, they're "selective fire weapons".

mp510
May 4, 2008, 11:18 PM
I have a feeling that they would attempt to make it as minimally invasive as possible. The more invasive it is, the more political turmoltuous it is and the more it hurts reelection bids. I would expect to see transfer restrictions, but not prohibitions.

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