Anyone see San Francisco SWAT?


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DontBurnMyFlag
May 2, 2008, 02:08 PM
I was watching the Military Channel and they had a 1hr special called San Francisco SWAT. As a cop, I was naturally interested. It started out about the weapons and tactics and the need for a SWAT team in a big city. Then it took a downward spiral.

The first incident focused on an office shooting that took place in 1993 at 101 California St in downtown SF. A disgruntled businessman took two Tec-9's and a .45 to the building killing six and wounding 8. Now...it went down hill as the narrator stated the following.

"45 millimeter pistol"
"Tec-9 assault rifles"

Then they interviewed the husband of one of the victims (RIP). But he went on about the availabilty of guns with "100rd clips" and spray fire from the hip. Then the show spent more time interviewing a newspaper reporter from an SF paper. The availability of guns was focused on for about 10 mins of the show...

I know its nothing to get my panties in a twist over. But it just astounds me how it managed to get squeezed into a SWAT show on the Military Channel. Thankfully the rest of the show focused on police stuff.

I just wanna know if anyone else saw, and gagged, over parts of that show.

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Henry Bowman
May 2, 2008, 02:11 PM
Then the show spent more time interviewing a newspaper reporter from an SF paper. This really turns me off on a show. They have no "facts" to add, so they fill time interviewing someone who was not there but has second-hand stories to tell.

Steve in PA
May 2, 2008, 02:15 PM
Yeah, I caught the "45mm" part too.

Wopasaurus
May 2, 2008, 02:18 PM
I saw it... I caught the part about calling the Tec-9 an assault rifle. I'm surprised when they showed a little 10 second clip of it in action that it didn't jam up. Maybe they did a couple takes of it.

Then they showed a room where they confiscated a bunch of "deadly assault rifles", and there were a bunch of SKS's on the wall.

NG VI
May 2, 2008, 02:20 PM
All I want to know is, where can I get some of those cheap and easy 45-millimeter pistols at?

And it's really bad that these sorts of uninformed fairyland biased opinions are labeled as "journalism", because many, many people in our country don't have any real exposure to firearms and don't know any better than to just believe everything they hear.
It's on the TeeVee, must be true right?

I was very disappointed in a close friend of mine when I showed him my AR, he grew up around guns in some ways but still I caught him thinking that my AR was some sort of automated bullet hose.

Picard
May 2, 2008, 02:26 PM
I overheard a conversation in the cafeteria at school yesterday. Some kid had a shirt with the image of a bandoleer on it with bullets that looked something like 12 gauge shotgun cartridges. One of his friends asked it what gun those are for. He said, it's probably for an AK-47. Oh, the ignorance...

armoredman
May 2, 2008, 02:33 PM
Last 45mm gun I saw was on a WWII light tank. Not a real concealable piece.
Did you write to the producers of the show to complain about thier mistake? Probably won'tdo much, but as the old saying goes, can't hurt to try.

MIL-DOT
May 2, 2008, 03:39 PM
45 mm. RULES !!!! 9 caliber SUCKS !!!! :evil:

Halo
May 2, 2008, 03:43 PM
I've noticed all the SWAT shows on there lately. Though it's an interesting subject in itself, when I turn on the Military Channel I'm not interested in watching shows about domestic police operations.

And what's the hold up with that channel going HD? Get it done already!

ScottyT
May 2, 2008, 03:47 PM
I overheard a conversation in the cafeteria at school yesterday. Some kid had a shirt with the image of a bandoleer on it with bullets that looked something like 12 gauge shotgun cartridges. One of his friends asked it what gun those are for. He said, it's probably for an AK-47. Oh, the ignorance...

Maybe his dad has a Saiga 12 and he thinks that "AK-47s" shoot 12 gauge shells? :scrutiny: Or maybe he is a stupid little kid who will shoot his friend the first time he ever touches a gun because his parents refused to educate him?:banghead:



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Nagant
May 2, 2008, 04:01 PM
These shows interested me at first. Apparently, though, there's not enough action in any one place to make a show that's actually about SWAT... they fill their air-time with individual family drama, stupid staged bits of humor (or drama). Half the show is them riding around looking cool, hanging out the side of their swat van... until they go to commercials. Very little real action, very little tactical stuff... mostly soap opera for middle aged men, from what I can see. Oh, and I can't believe the amount of ignorance about guns they portray... makes me sick too.

Ps: Welcome, Scott. THR is THE place to be :cool:

Alex45ACP
May 2, 2008, 04:04 PM
I've noticed all the SWAT shows on there lately. Though it's an interesting subject in itself, when I turn on the Military Channel I'm not interested in watching shows about domestic police operations.

+1, too bad the difference between the two is becoming less and less defined. I hate all these new "SWAT" and "DEA" type shows, they glorify the police state.

jackdanson
May 2, 2008, 06:13 PM
I bet that 45 mm pistol really recoils bad.

ScottyT
May 2, 2008, 06:22 PM
45 mm. RULES !!!! 9 caliber SUCKS !!!!
Not sure how he brought this with him into the building...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/08/M-42_45mm_AT_gun.jpg/800px-M-42_45mm_AT_gun.jpg

ilbob
May 2, 2008, 06:42 PM
I have noticed the proliferation of cop shows of late. Its cheap to do those kind of "reality" shows, and the public seems to watch them, so I suspect even more of them will be foisted on us.

Dancing With the Stars is now on like 3 hours a week. As cheap as something like that is to produce, and the kind of ratings it has, I see no end in sight for reality TV.

I occasionally watch some of the Cops show. Mostly you see nothing at all, until after everything is over. Then all the cops try to make themselves look tough, or smart, or whatever they think is cool that day. I got a kick out of a Sgt the other day. He showed up at a disturbance and after it was over he said the same thing like three times within a minute. I guess he thought it was cool enough to make it worthwhile to repeat a couple of times.

Its very obvious that the cops they are riding with are spending most of their time preening for the camera, and very little doing police work.

Sometimes the cops look like decent human beings, and sometimes they make themselves look really bad. I wonder if any of the police executives that approve these things realize that as often as not they make themselves look really bad. I suspect they do not realize just how bad they look to average citizens sometimes.

Bad Voodoo
May 2, 2008, 06:44 PM
too bad the difference between the two is becoming less and less defined. I hate all these new "SWAT" and "DEA" type shows, they glorify the police state.

Meh, beat me to it.

GlenJ
May 2, 2008, 07:08 PM
There was a show called Dallas SWAT and I think it was on Discovery. I only watched it a couple times the last time I watched they were talking about how they have to get AK-47s off the street.

akodo
May 2, 2008, 07:43 PM
There was a show called Dallas SWAT and I think it was on Discovery. I only watched it a couple times the last time I watched they were talking about how they have to get AK-47s off the street.

well of course, you can't just leave a perfectly good gun lying the way of traffic!

hksw
May 2, 2008, 07:56 PM
But it just astounds me how it managed to get squeezed into a SWAT show on the Military Channel.

That is curious.

CWL
May 2, 2008, 08:55 PM
The San Francisco incident was the famous "101 California St. killings" and directly resulted in Black Talon bullets getting pulled as a retail ammunition (which actually increased demand and recognition.)

These killings also directly resulted in the strict Assault Weapons Ban that we have here in CA.

Ragnar Danneskjold
May 2, 2008, 09:18 PM
Houw many hours of footage do you think is filmed for an episode of cops or one of those SWAT shows? Now how many minutes actually make it into the show?

Who decides what goes in and what gets cut? I've give you a hint. It's not the cops.

Coyote Blue
May 2, 2008, 09:26 PM
Why watch these POS?

hotpig
May 2, 2008, 10:41 PM
I caught the interview with the husband of the first woman killed in the Law Office. He was talking about the Tec 9 being very accurate and the mfg making it with a finger print resistant coating in order to market the gun to criminals.

MikePGS
May 3, 2008, 12:39 AM
Never seen that one, but I'm a fan of I think its the Discovery Channel?'s "Detroit SWAT" and Dallas and K.C. SWAT as well. They didn't go too far into detail, but there were some interesting scenes including two cops having a shoot off to see who gets to use a certain name for their rifle :D

armoredman
May 3, 2008, 12:54 AM
Scotty, somebody needs to preserve those pieces of history!

Cuda
May 3, 2008, 01:06 AM
Watched for a bit. Thought it just glorified the para military wannabe's...


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ilbob
May 6, 2008, 12:50 PM
Most of the time the Cops shows make me want to throw something at the TV. But, a few times I have seen shows with cops that seemed like honest decent human beings. But it seems the emphasis is on proving how tough they are. Might be the editing. Decency maybe does not sell as well as tough.

Crow1108
May 6, 2008, 02:55 PM
I caught those parts. Also caught the part about the SWAT team officer saying something to the effect "I know of a gunstore where anyone can buy a .50 caliber rifle. How can we go up against that?" after the narrator spoke about heavier gun laws. I couldn't watch any more after that, due to gagging on the "feel good" messages for the masses.

jakemccoy
May 6, 2008, 03:56 PM
I watch the shows to get a sense of the type of physical shape these guys must be in. From the Detroit SWAT episodes, I think they had to be able to do 20 pull-ups, 60 push-ups full range and run 1.5 miles in 10 minutes; they get re-tested every 6 months. If that's correct from my memory, that's not easy to do. These guys are clearly in better shape than I am. That's not saying much, but the comparison provides me a reality check.

Apparently, SWAT is supposed to be the top notch of state law enforcement, and each member has to be invited first. From watching the SWAT and DEA shows, I have a better impression of SWAT teams than of DEA teams.

gunshow
May 6, 2008, 04:04 PM
Another reason to not pay for television. Even if you don't watch the garbage channels, you're still supporting them

QuarterBoreGunner
May 6, 2008, 06:39 PM
The San Francisco incident was the famous "101 California St. killings" and directly resulted in Black Talon bullets getting pulled as a retail ammunition (which actually increased demand and recognition.)

Are you sure about this? The "101 California massacre" was a factor in the Clinton 1994 Federal AW ban, but as far as I know had nothing to do with Winchester pulling BTs from the shelves. They *did* stop selling to the public, but it was for touchy feely fuzzy PR reasons and not related to any incident in particular.

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