Gun Magazine's Are Disappearing From Our Newstands


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Winchester 73
May 2, 2008, 09:19 PM
Until 2 or 3 years ago,I could walk into my Miami Walgreens,CVS,local drugstores,supermarkets,7-11's and Food Stops and find Guns & Ammo,Shooting Times,Guns Magazine,RifleShooter,all the top circulation firearms magazines.
They have all but disappeared.I have to go to a Newstand Only establishment or Barnes & Noble to find them.
And this is not just a Miami phenomena.With all the traveling I do, in the last 6 months, I've seen the same scenario ,while spending time in NC,VA,PA,NY and MD.
Why is this happening?Is it just lack of reader demand,although being a former magazine employee,this seems hard to believe.Look at the ABC Circulation figures for Outdoor Life,Field & Stream & Guns&Ammo ,Guns Mag,Combat Handguns,who are not tied to the NRA's magazines.They are holding their own.
Political Correctness?What?I do not understand this.Any ideas
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_156_26/ai_82533217

http://www.magazine.org/circulation/circulation_trends_and_magazine_handbook/16117.cfm

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Hot brass
May 2, 2008, 09:22 PM
It is like that here in California too. But hey, promote sex, drugs, and the dumba$$ Hollyweird folks for roll models.

highfive
May 2, 2008, 09:25 PM
That's happening everywhere..here in Texas is the same..I get them right at my mailbox. Maybe that's something that is happening too..mail delivery

Car Knocker
May 2, 2008, 09:25 PM
The two supermarkets we patronize here still carry the normal number of gun mags.

Im283
May 2, 2008, 09:26 PM
Maybe some PC'ness, although I do not think guns are politically incorrect. Politicians are firearm challenged.

I say that Al Gore has hurt magazines in general. By that of course I mean the internet has hurt magazine circulation.

15 years ago I used to take several magazines. Now I only get a NRA mag, and half the time it does not get read.

I can find great information here on this site for gun info.

For other things that interest me the internet is a never ending source of basically free information.

Vaarok
May 2, 2008, 09:38 PM
They're crap. All they do is whore for whatever newfangled whatever pays their advertising bill, what few articles they write on old stuff are cursory at best, the fact they only come out monthly, and the internet having faster and better coverage has pretty much made them completely obsolete.

Plus things like the Zumbo Fiasco, and it's small wonder they're dying off.

Appaloosa
May 2, 2008, 09:41 PM
Around here walmart still carries every magazine you could want that deals with guns.

The only problem is shotgun news is almost always sold out. I had to get a subscription, but I only want one every few months or when I am looking for good deals on mags or ammo.

Rachen
May 2, 2008, 09:41 PM
Over here in NYC, you wouldn't even find one gun related magazine. HOWEVER, plenty of sex, libpervert celebrities who are better off suffering from AIDS, rap, whatever. So much crap, so much of it, that if a scientist developed a car that burned paper as fuel, NYC would be able to stop importation of gasoline for eternity.

HOWEVER, many NY'ers like that stuff. It is propaganda, subliminal brainwashing seeping into the minds of every unwary individual. It leads people to be involved less and less in political affairs. It works pretty well for the power hungry megalomaniacs. they just want a populace who are satisfied with just false entertainment. As long as they have their iPods and putrefactive "music", they can care less.

I think our Founding Fathers would have been taken with a seizure if they had just a glimpse of urban America in the 20th and 21st century.

HOWEVER, the only magazines I read is American Rifleman, Blackpowder Annual, and Muzzleblasts.

I always try my best to keep traditional America alive, even though I live in perhaps the most putrefactive society in this country.

jlbraun
May 2, 2008, 09:56 PM
Over here in NYC, you wouldn't even find one gun related magazine. HOWEVER, plenty of sex, libpervert celebrities who are better off suffering from AIDS, rap, whatever. So much crap, so much of it, that if a scientist developed a car that burned paper as fuel, NYC would be able to stop importation of gasoline for eternity.

HOWEVER, many NY'ers like that stuff. It is propaganda, subliminal brainwashing seeping into the minds of every unwary individual. It leads people to be involved less and less in political affairs. It works pretty well for the power hungry megalomaniacs. they just want a populace who are satisfied with just false entertainment. As long as they have their iPods and putrefactive "music", they can care less.

I think our Founding Fathers would have been taken with a seizure if they had just a glimpse of urban America in the 20th and 21st century.

HOWEVER, the only magazines I read is American Rifleman, Blackpowder Annual, and Muzzleblasts.

I always try my best to keep traditional America alive, even though I live in perhaps the most putrefactive society in this country.

Look, it's not all a conspiracy. Or people's changing attitudes. Or teh libruls. It's just that the Internet has made most gun magazines put paid to their claims of "The pistol as tested was quite accurate, printing a 5" group at 10 yards, and experienced very few failures - only one round out of each magazine failed to feed. We liked this pistol very much!"

Rachen
May 2, 2008, 10:00 PM
Look, it's not all a conspiracy. Or people's changing attitudes. Or teh libruls. It's just that the Internet has made most gun magazines put paid to their claims of "The pistol as tested was quite accurate, printing a 5" group at 10 yards, and experienced very few failures - only one round out of each magazine failed to feed. We liked this pistol very much!"

Actually, I didn't even think of this when I posted:)

Most of the gun magazines are online now, in the form of forums and many other things, and even better, allowing fellow shooters to communicate instantaneously and therefore, making information travel much faster. Whereas, in the past, you actually had to go the range or shop after reading a paper edition to find out how a certain gun or cartridge performs.

Regarding peoples' changing attitudes, I guess so much of the population in NYC has settled for entertainment and luxuries and money rather than our country's traditional and cultural roots, it drove out those who think different, while attracting from different parts of the country people who think just like themselves, thus creating an even bigger pool, just like how landfills and dumps grow at an amazing pace. But the media is at fault too, because they keep encouraging the Hollyweird lifestyles that many people find so repulsive and immoral, and thus, keep feeding the rap industry amongst other things.

Jorg Nysgerrig
May 2, 2008, 10:01 PM
This has been discussed many times before. Most people are chalking it up to stores stocking what sells. A select few are quite content to insist that it is something else.

Double Naught Spy
May 2, 2008, 10:04 PM
Why is this happening?Is it just lack of reader demand,although being a former magazine employee,this seems hard to believe.Look at the ABC Circulation figures for Outdoor Life,Field & Stream & Guns&Ammo ,Guns Mag,Combat Handguns,who are not tied to the NRA's magazines.They are holding their own.

The math is right there and you don't even see it. If sales are stable but they don't have to go through jobbers for newstand space (and less profits), then why go that route?

Bear in mind that a lot of what gun folks want is being gotten right here, online. They aren't spending so much time browsing the newstands anymore because they can browse online.

PLUS, it is cheaper for them to buy direct than pay full price at the newstand. In short, the newstand is an antiquated commodity in the electronic age. It still has its place, but its market share is much diminished.

Rachen
May 2, 2008, 10:12 PM
Bear in mind that a lot of what gun folks want is being gotten right here, online. They aren't spending so much time browsing the newstands anymore because they can browse online.

PLUS, it is cheaper for them to buy direct than pay full price at the newstand. In short, the newstand is an antiquated commodity in the electronic age. It still has its place, but its market share is much diminished.

I haven't visited a newstand in approximately 3 years now, although I pass by them, and "media" sections in pharmacies and grocery stores, and see that, like always, they are loaded up with junk.

scrat
May 2, 2008, 10:18 PM
yep only a few places around here can i get a good selection of magazines. one of the best places is frys electronics they have a 100 foo long section of magazines. With everytype of gun magazine you could imagine from the civil to today. ya there is a magazine called civil war times. i had to stop and look at. amazing. So thats the place i go now.

Sunray
May 2, 2008, 10:22 PM
They're gone up here too. Except in gun shops. Mind you, with taxes they all run around $10Cdn each. Not one of 'em is worth that much.
"...our Founding Fathers would have been taken with a seizure..." Only due to who is allowed to vote and hold office now.

Coyote Blue
May 2, 2008, 10:55 PM
This has been discussed many times before.

Is there anything on THR,other than Henry Thoreau's Walden Pond(and maybe even that)that has not been discussed before in 4 million posts?

jakk280rem
May 2, 2008, 10:58 PM
here in salem, one can find them anywhere. my favorite source is safeway.

Tommygunn
May 2, 2008, 11:23 PM
I haven't noticed any depletion in gun mags here in north Alabama.

Deanimator
May 2, 2008, 11:27 PM
The Giant Eagle that I patronize regularly has Combat Handguns, G&A, Guns, Soldier of Fortune, etc.

Everman
May 2, 2008, 11:37 PM
The only kind of gun magazine I use is the type that holds bullets :P It's easier to get news and information from web sites.

Logan5
May 2, 2008, 11:58 PM
I have no difficulty finding most of the same gun magazines I read in 1980 in most of the same places. Even in New York. And yes, I remember reading most of the articles back on their fifth or tenth or whatever go round. The miracle is that some of these things are still in business.

lathedog
May 3, 2008, 12:06 AM
I seldom buy gun mags anymore. Maybe it is just me, but there is so much more info and better info on the 'net these days.

Also gun mags have gone down in quality over the last decade. They are typically a waste of time with the same old tired articles.

Lately there seem to be way too many articles on the plethora of 1911 or AR style guns made by different makers, but are essentially all still 1911 or AR style weapons. I like both, don't get me wrong, but I don;t need to read another article telling me a 1911 has a grip safety just because some new maker decided to offer their take on a classic.

For Example: Guns and Ammo used to be such a cool magazine to read, but it seems like they got rid of all their decent writers and swapped them out for some sorry replacements. Recent iussues have maybe one or two good articles, which is still better than their competitors. All advertising type fluff.

I get American Rifleman as part of my NRA membership, and it has become a really good magazine over the last decade and typically has several very good articles each issue.

Lately the articles in Shotgun News are kicking butt. Peter Kokalis is one example of a great technical gun writer that I enjoy reading. Last issue had a in depth article on a scratch build 9mm carbine from scrap and a smg parts kit. Good interesting reading.

Maybe lots of folks are also not buying gun magazines for the same reasons, and the stores get tired of throwing them in the trash every month.

I do like Small Arms Review. Barnes and Noble carries that. Also Handloading.

Anyway, I would argue that this is less of an attack on gun ownership and more a trend of crappy magazines that no one wants to read.

The Lone Haranguer
May 3, 2008, 12:10 AM
I haven't purchased a gun rag in quite some time. ;) American Rifleman comes with my NRA membership.

While true that Walgreens, CVS, Circle K and 7-11 don't have gun rags, Fry's and Albertson's supermarkets do, as well as Wal-Mart, B&N and Borders, all of which are seemingly on every corner here. (Target has never had them.) So I would hardly call this "disappearing."

jeff-10
May 3, 2008, 12:15 AM
I don't think there is much of a market for gun magazines anymore. Most people get there info from message boards (for better or for worse) and you can pull up pictures and youtube clips of any gun you like anytime you want.

cowssurf
May 3, 2008, 12:21 AM
"libpervert celebrities who are better off suffering from AIDS" --Rachen

Rachen, that is completely uncalled for. I noticed you also said this on another thread: "I would care less if all those libpervert celebrities get AIDS from their colorful lifestyles." That is totally inappropriate, hateful, misanthropic and quite frankly, disgusting. Lighten up with the hate speech.

Coyote Blue
May 3, 2008, 01:41 AM
I don't think there is much of a market for gun magazines anymore. Most people get there info from message boards (for better or for worse) and you can pull up pictures and youtube clips of any gun you like anytime you want.

But Time,Newsweek,US News,Sports Illustrated,etc.all have web sites and message boards,all are going strong circulation wise, and all can be found in your local drug store.But not gun mags.
How do you explain that?
To my its the dreaded PC.
Which is destroying what's left of America.

zxcvbob
May 3, 2008, 01:46 AM
Is there anything on THR,other than Henry Thoreau's Walden Pond(and maybe even that)that has not been discussed before in 4 million posts?

How about Pride and Prejudice? :rolleyes:

Coyote Blue
May 3, 2008, 01:53 AM
How about Pride and Prejudice? :rolleyes:

And Sense and Sensibility!;)
Love Jane.

http://www.amazon.com/Sense-Sensibility-Special-James-Fleet/dp/0800141660/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1209794108&sr=8-2

Kind of Blued
May 3, 2008, 04:01 AM
I wish they sold mags at the grocery store... :(

Like AK drums for $75 if you have their swipe card thing? Please?

OMGWTFBBQ
May 3, 2008, 04:07 AM
Gun magazines tend to overhype everything. I prefer getting my fix on the 'net.

jrfoxx
May 3, 2008, 04:17 AM
Not here,luckily. Walmart carries about 6-7 different gun mags, and probly 3-4 different hunting magazines. About the same for Winco.Not sure what any other stores carry around here though. never looked anywhere else.

Moonclip
May 3, 2008, 08:05 AM
Depends on area and what sells but not always. A local music store chain that went under had a huge newsrack with tons of gun mags. They used to store it under the gay porn area though and I'd occasionally find "Honcho", "Latin Inches", and "Mandate" sprinkled in with Guns and Ammo and Handguns and such.

When I was in the USN overseas, the XO of the shore command I was told was responsible for the lack of gun mags in the exchange for a long time even though they were eventually restored.

She said they were "violent".

ranger335v
May 3, 2008, 08:17 AM
"I haven't visited a newstand in approximately 3 years now, although I pass by them, and "media" sections in pharmacies and grocery stores, and see that, like always, they are loaded up with junk."

That, in a nut shell, explains why almost all print media, especially "news" papers" and "news" magazines are losing circulation; JUNKY, WATERED DOWN CONTENT trying to promote a fixed point of view!

doc2rn
May 3, 2008, 09:02 AM
Most guys get the subscription for the discount, and they deliver to your door.

I see Guns and Ammo on every shelf but my favorites like Guns and Handgunner are only at places like Barnes & Noble and the grocery store.

cracked butt
May 3, 2008, 09:25 AM
Gun magazines don't do much to hold people's attentions, even worse, they seem to be a caracture of themselves without even realizing it.

Who really cares about the 1013th new version of the 1911 or AR-15, or an in-depth report of the new Glock model that looks and operates exactly every other Glock model, or about the brand new cartridge that does everything exactly the same as a cartridge that has been around for 30-100 years.

I do like to peruse Shotgun News at Walmart once in awhile. Sometimes one of the two articles in that magazine is ok. I can't justify buying that magazine at the price they are asking considering that 90+% of the magazine are ads- they should be giving that one away for free.

Camjr
May 3, 2008, 09:43 AM
Surprisingly, the Barnes and Noble (not the rightest of leaning companies) stores in my area have a great selection of gun mags -- everything covering guns, tactics, hunting, personal defense, combat, etc.

Karl Hungus
May 3, 2008, 10:13 AM
Except for the occasional Shotgun News, I don't buy any gun mags. I don't buy mags for other sports I'm into (like skiing or flyfishing) as well. Like others have said - internet. I don't even get American Rifleman/Hunter although I'd get them for free with my NRA membership. Just not interested.

Nightwing
May 3, 2008, 10:16 AM
Yeah. magazine's are hard enough to find. Try getting your local vendor to get some high capacity magazines.... that's even worse!

I'm done.

mec
May 3, 2008, 10:16 AM
The grocery stores in the literate part of town, Barnes and Noble and Hastings are well stocked in central texas. The Mags actually prefer subscriptions as they get the money up front and then have a year or whatever to deliver the goods.

Somebody mentioned the Audit Bureau of Circulation. The gun magazines have held their own and even rebounded a bit during the last several reporting periods. All magazines took a big circulation hit in the late 90s early 2000s and the current figures really cant be compared very well with those from a couple of decades ago. Reading ain't very popular and the audit bureau has tightened up (alot) on what can be reported as paid or total circulation.

ilbob
May 3, 2008, 10:24 AM
If you want more gun magazines at your local magazine store, start buying more. Its all about money. If people buy magazines they get shelf space, if not they use that space to display something that does sell.

buck460XVR
May 3, 2008, 10:38 AM
This has been discussed many times before. Most people are chalking it up to stores stocking what sells. A select few are quite content to insist that it is something else.

yep...most retail stores have only so much space and use that space for the things that sell and make money for them. Try and introduce a new product to a store and see how much shelf space it gets until it proves itself. It's all about the almighty dollar, not a conspiracy to rid the world of gun mags.

Years ago I grew up on gun and hunting mags. They were full of stories and info that pertained to the guns and the type of hunting that most average Americans were involved with and contained maybe a few classified ads in the back with an occasional cigarette ad in between the covers. Nowadays, there may be 10 pages of info in an eighty page rag with the rest dedicated to advertising. The guns and other gear are being reviewed by folk who get paid by the gun/gear companies to test their guns/gear and the hunts are by folk participating in canned hunts donated by guides and outfitters. No way the gun reviewer will trash a gun that it's manufacturer has been running 6 full page ads every month, and the hunter that sits in a blind for two days in front of the shelled corn put out by the outfitter claims after he shoots the tame deer, "man, that was a tough hunt!". I don't waste my money anymore.

macadore
May 3, 2008, 10:54 AM
I haven't noticed any depletion in gun mags here in north Alabama.

You will when everyone there has electricity :neener:, like they do in Texas :banghead:.

CannonFodder
May 3, 2008, 02:44 PM
It's like Gaming magazines.

The turn-around time on print for up-and-coming news has given way to the internet. If print magazines want to survive, they have to provide higher quality and features that you can't find on the internet.

And, truthfully, I'd rather read THR than most gun magazines. The personalities have a greater range than "enthusiastic gun reviewer," the pictures tend to be more interesting, and there's more of it.

Besides... can you imagine American Rifleman doing a story on "What gun for a zombie horde?"

Caimlas
May 3, 2008, 02:56 PM
I'm guessing it's a combination of factors.

1) Political correctness/liability concern within organizations.
2) Lack of demand for the magazines. This can probably be addressed by several factors:
2a) Preponderance of the same information available online, before the magazines become available.
2b) Higher cost of publishing and distribution, resulting in a higher magazine price.
2c) Relative lack of consistent quality in the magazines. Articles are mostly just ads these days in many of them, with only maybe 5-6 pages actually having original/useful content.
2d) Too many magazines to chose from (resulting in some of the above phenomena) resulting in people just saying, "no thanks".
3) Finally, people just order them and have them delivered in the mail if they get them regularly. The magazine companies see the same amount of profit.


But Time,Newsweek,US News,Sports Illustrated,etc.all have web sites and message boards,all are going strong circulation wise, and all can be found in your local drug store.But not gun mags.

Time, Newsweek, US News, etc. are all liberal publications, for the most part. Liberals are stupid. :P

Kidding aside, there's a number of good reasons for that, I think.

And I believe Sports Illustrated has had some -significant- financial woes in the last 5 years. IIRC, they re-targeted towards the mid-teen market, and increased the 'swimsuit' issues/content significantly to try and compensate.

Also, those magazines not only have wider demographical interests, but they also have much more material to pull from. In all honesty, there's probably only enough actual content to fill a single (albiet, thick) gun magazine every month, but they get stretched out across a dozen or so, and they're all pretty thin compared to (say) People, which costs less than the gun rag.

And there is a never-ending stream of celebrity gossip and world news from which to pull from. You can miss several gun mags without missing anything (different issues cover the same political/social topics in serial, quite often it seems), but something like Time or US News actually does some fairly indepth analysis and reporting on things. You miss one, and you've missed a significant amount of news, if you don't really read the paper or watch TV.

Rugerlvr
May 3, 2008, 03:07 PM
My supermarket still has a very wide selection. But this is Utah after all.

Flame Red
May 3, 2008, 03:11 PM
I noticed that in most airports I have been in, the book/newspaper stands do carry most of the gun mags. I enjoy reading them on planes and getting dirty looks from the anti's sitting in the cattle car. So far, no grief, yet.

Calibre44
May 3, 2008, 03:33 PM
After the Dunblane massacre over here inn 1996, gun mags pretty much disappeared from newsagents, but thankfully, over time, they have crept back and are freely available including Guns and Ammo.

On a recent holiday to Orlando I had no problems buying Gun mags from places like ‘Borders’ and various Supermarkets. In fact I was spoilt for choice!

Rachen
May 3, 2008, 03:36 PM
"libpervert celebrities who are better off suffering from AIDS" --Rachen

Rachen, that is completely uncalled for. I noticed you also said this on another thread: "I would care less if all those libpervert celebrities get AIDS from their colorful lifestyles." That is totally inappropriate, hateful, misanthropic and quite frankly, disgusting. Lighten up with the hate speech.

OK I promise not to say stuff like that again.

It's just that I am exposed to so much of that "culture" where I live, and finds it so disgusting.

bigdaddydan
May 3, 2008, 03:42 PM
there hasn't been any mags missing here on any of the store shelves that I go to neither but like some of the other folks said it probably does have a lot to do with the explosion of the internet .

Rachen
May 3, 2008, 03:42 PM
I have always read American Rifleman and Muzzleblasts while sitting on the subway, and guess what?, to this day, I haven't got one dirty look from anybody. Actually, quite many people actually started conversations with me, and I find these times the best opportunity to lecture them about responsible gun ownership and the tradition of the American sportsman. Several times, these people turn out to be fellow gunnies:D But other times, people, although they are not antis, become confused about why I like guns so much...............................................................And thats when I take the time to explain to them ALL the issues surrounding gun ownership, and how our safety and well being are greatly enhanced with them if they are possessed, or sometimes, used in a proper way.

Promoting and advocating the 2nd Amendment is not a job or a hobby. It is what I do on a regular basis. Heck, I do it without even being aware of it most of the time.:)

Matt G
May 3, 2008, 05:30 PM
Done.

Too much heat, not enough light.

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