Any advice on BB pistols? My dad wants one


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neededausername
May 3, 2008, 01:05 AM
Anyone know anything about bb pistols? My dad wants to buy one and I don't know anything about them. This is just going to be for having some fun in the backyard knocking coke cans down. Any forums for bb pistols?

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nfl1990
May 3, 2008, 01:16 AM
I own a crossman walther ppk, 15rd magazine, has nice weight to it
It's decently accurate to about 10 15yds but due to the nature of it being a bb not much beyond that range

sfhogman
May 3, 2008, 01:19 AM
I have a Webley Tempest .177 that shoots lead pellets. I love the thing! Talk about addicting....

Jeff

chris in va
May 3, 2008, 02:17 AM
I have a Powerline 008 I bought at Gander Mountain. Pretty slick little pistol, bb's or pellets, 8 shot rotary magazine. I usually get at least 50 decent shots with a standard co2 powerlet. Rifled too.
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/6416/31dnkvyqgplaa280lz4.jpg

I also have a Beeman 2004, single shot that is quite accurate. Just a PITA to cock it.

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/4427/104099tsru3.jpg

Steve N
May 3, 2008, 08:13 AM
Check out the Crosman 1377 pump pellet pistol. Very accurate, fun to shoot, and you can pimp them WAAAAYYYYY out. Crosman will sell new barrels, triggers, etc., plus there are several places to buy custom parts. I've seen $50 (new) guns with $200 of accessories.

Take a look at www.network54.com/forum/275684.

rocinante
May 3, 2008, 08:57 AM
I have a Powerline 008 I bought at Gander Mountain. Pretty slick little pistol, bb's or pellets, 8 shot rotary magazine. I usually get at least 50 decent shots with a standard co2 powerlet. Rifled too.

That is what I shoot in my backyard. I have a string of coke cans stretched between 2 trees. Cans are great because you can hear and see when you get a hit. The little beast has definitely improved my pistol shooting through fast and frequent practice. I have to fake a recoil motion after each shot which feels silly but getting back on target is a skill too.

Grandpa Shooter
May 3, 2008, 09:53 AM
If you want really fun practice, get a Gamo P23 (styled after the Sig) and a Gamo revolver. Both are CO2, accurate and challenging. Both run $50-$60.

Pilot
May 3, 2008, 10:24 AM
I have a Webley Tempest .177 that shoots lead pellets. I love the thing! Talk about addicting....

I have a Webley Tempest .177 also. I bought it when Beeman was still selling them. I got a Beeman P1 at the same time. I would recommend the spring piston airguns over C02 or the pneumatic. I've had both for 20 years and they still shoot like new.

bumm
May 3, 2008, 10:51 AM
I'm been very happy with my Daisy 747 for several years. One pump for each shot, so no CO2 to fiddle with, and VERY accurate. It shoots pellets, much more accurate than BB's.
Marty

buck460XVR
May 3, 2008, 11:42 AM
ohhhhhhh, BB gun. I thought you meant Big Bore Handgun......never mind.

Neo-Luddite
May 3, 2008, 12:30 PM
Check out the Crosman 1377 pump pellet pistol. Very accurate, fun to shoot, and you can pimp them WAAAAYYYYY out. (Steve N)

It's a tank--and will feed bb's/pellets/ and (not recomended as they may hurt the bore) darts. Third-generation of a model that has been around for decades and is a great value. Varriable power pneumatic, single shot. I had one as a kid and found one last year at a garage sale for 20 bucks--I have been VERY happy shooting it off my deck. I'm no pistolero by any means, but my main 'target' is an old #10 can lid nailed to fence post that I can ping about 60% on a good day--at 75 ft;
That 's NOT bad for a plain-jane .177 pellet gun. With a max velocity of about 700 fps, it can be used for small critter control also if needed, or could be used indoors with a pellet trap and fewer 'pumps'.

For the money, a best buy in my book. The only one I like better is a Benjamin (now made by Crossman also, but pellet only) and cheaperthandirt.com lists both. The Benjamin has a little less power, and costs twice as much, but is even MORE solid and refined; when I was younger I would shoot pennies balanced on edge at 33 ft. Both are American made as well. As mainmech48 points out below, the bore *IS* brass though--no steel darts or BB's (you COULD load lead bb's if you wanted).

cracked butt
May 3, 2008, 01:44 PM
My dad wants to buy one and I don't know anything about them. This is just going to be for having some fun in the backyard knocking coke cans down.


Well if you want fun, bb guns are the only types of 'guns' that you buy with the 'happy switch' without going through the government administered prostate exam.

google 'Drozd' for a good example- they cost quite a bit more than a crossman pistol, but you only live once.

mainmech48
May 3, 2008, 02:02 PM
I'd also go with the Crosman. It's a time-proven design, rugged, accurate and inexpensive. Unless your dad prefers rapid-fire plinking, not having to buy CO2 cartidges is a real plus, IMO.

The main reason, besides price difference, that I prefer the Crosman to the venerable Benjamin is more usable ammo choices. The Benjamins have a brass barrel that will wear quickly if steel BBs or darts are used. Personally, I'm fond of the little reusable darts at very low power through a cheesy old Marksman springer for target games in the basement. Using an air pistol to play the regular "pub" darts games is a gas, and you can use the same board.

Neo-Luddite
May 3, 2008, 03:35 PM
through a cheesy old Marksman springer

When I was a kid I broke at least 4 or 5 model 1010's--there was a weak point in the little retaining 'clip' that mated the sping plunger to the cocking slide. But at like 14 bucks a pop...

Now I'm feeling nostalic for one--it's the model famously used by Chevy Chase in "Vacation" when he holds John Candy hostage at Wallyworld.

Zedicus
May 3, 2008, 04:00 PM
All I know is Walther & Beretta Make about the Best BB Pistols.

blackcash88
May 3, 2008, 06:28 PM
Since all he wants to do is plink soda cans, I'd look into an airsoft pistol. I have a G26 with the "happy fun" switch for full auto. Has a metal slide and barrel and is EXACTLY the same dimensions and weight as my "real" loaded G26. Holster fit perfectly. The slide actually recoils and there's even a bit of recoil, too. Not as powerful as a pellet gun, but they do sting as they will reliably penetrate one side of an empty soda can and at least rupture the other side! Eye protection is a must because the plastic BBs WILL bounce/shatter if shot at a hard surface. Mine uses the "green gas" and it's readily available. The plastic 6mm BBs are dirt cheap, even cheaper than pellets and if you use a soft backstop, they can be reused. I just use an old heavy duty rug and a container on the ground to catch them. There are also guns that don't use gas as they are single pump pneumatics or spring and they have battery powered ones, too. Check out the video link. Not me, but I have the exact same KWA G26.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJJenIgY2RM&feature=related

Aguila Blanca
May 3, 2008, 06:58 PM
Got a budget in mind?

I'm a 1911 guy, so my interests point in that direction. At the low end, for the munificent sum of $29.99 you can get a Daisy X15 at Wal-Mart. It's a CO2 repeater that holds 15 BBs. The slide does NOT move, so the action isn't very realistic, but it's affordable and fun to plink with.

Toward the upper end of the scale is a Colt 1911 CO2-operated BB gun made in Germany by Umarex (who also make many of the other BB guns offered with the names of real pistol manufacturers on the side). It has a rifled barrel and a 6-shot rotary magazine, so it shoots pellets rather than BBs. It's a beautiful piece of equipment, that costs almost 10 times what the Daisy will cost you (around $249 for the basic model in blue with plastic stocks, more for stainless and/or wood stocks).

neededausername
May 3, 2008, 09:05 PM
I guess I should have stated in my original post, he doesn't want to have to mess with CO2, my brother had a CO2 pellet gun a long time ago and my dad hated the CO2. So I'm looking for pump or spring type guns. He mainly wants to shoot bb's not pellets. Price range is around $60.00. I'd say more, but knowing my dad he will shoot it twice then throw it in a closet someplace and never fire it again.

Gunnerpalace
May 3, 2008, 09:19 PM
Airsoft might be your answer.

chris in va
May 3, 2008, 11:38 PM
google 'Drozd' for a good example- they cost quite a bit more than a crossman pistol, but you only live once

Oh crap, I forgot about that sucker.

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/1230/180215gf4.jpg

Ritchie
May 4, 2008, 12:36 PM
I would suggest that he shoot pellets instead of BBs. Because BBs Bounce Badly, off almost anything they don't penetrate. And as we all know, you'll put your eye out with that thing.

Aguila Blanca
May 4, 2008, 03:44 PM
I guess I should have stated in my original post, he doesn't want to have to mess with CO2, my brother had a CO2 pellet gun a long time ago and my dad hated the CO2. So I'm looking for pump or spring type guns. He mainly wants to shoot bb's not pellets.
Different strokes for different folks.

I bought a BB pistol because I want to [i]shoot[/], not waste a lot of time pumping it up. Your father doesn't like to deal with CO2, I like CO2 so I don't have to deal with cocking levers and pumps.

If he doesn't want to deal with CO2, he SURE doesn't want to deal with airsoft. Fill up with green gas, and one or two magazines later you're hooking up the umbilical cord again.

sanglant
May 4, 2008, 03:54 PM
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=163 :D

heres a good one if you can live with pellets :evil: http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2005/12/izh-46mthisun-aint-no-toy.html

blackcash88
May 4, 2008, 04:12 PM
If he doesn't want to deal with CO2, he SURE doesn't want to deal with airsoft. Fill up with green gas, and one or two magazines later you're hooking up the umbilical cord again.

Uh, as I mentioned before, they make single stroke spring/pneumatic AND electric airsoft pistols, right? :rolleyes:

http://shortyusa.com/index.html?RID=4328

http://www.hobbytron.com/ElectricAirsoftPistols.html

spyder1911
May 4, 2008, 05:47 PM
Sounds like a Red Ryder BB gun might be the right thing. Not as accurate but it holds 400 BBs and has a nice lever action. I know you said pistol but this would be much easier to cock and most likely more fun to shoot than pistols.

wolf13
May 4, 2008, 07:09 PM
Any ideas for a gun to shoot darts?

mainmech48
May 5, 2008, 12:07 PM
Extensive use of darts can be a bit rough on a rifled bore, so the barrel material needs to be as rugged as possible. Airgun darts and BBs are almost always made of mild steel so 'softer' metals will be affected more quickly and seriously by their frequent use. Even the most expensive airgun barrels are made of relatively 'soft' steel, which is why most of the makers recommend that owners stick to pellets.

IMO, it's better to pick a "BB" model gun if you're going to use darts. Most are smoothbores, but darts and BBs don't require spinning to stabilize anyway. 25 or 30 ft. is about as far as I use either. They generally aren't being pushed faster than about 400 f/s and shed velocity quickly.

It's kinda tough to find a BB gun anymore that's compatible with the use of darts. They need to have a mechanism where the breech is easy to access for loading, and that in itself eliminates about everything currently on the market. Darts aren't very compatible with any magazine arrangement I recall ever seeing, so single-loading is necessary.

I use the old Marksman because they're simple, very inexpensive, readily available, and the design makes it easy and convenient to use with darts. They're very low-powered and the barrel length is miniscule, but at 10-20 ft who cares?

It's a toy, not a tool. I use it as such and don't expect more of it than cheap fun. Darts don't really have much practical utility otherwise, if you're expecting pests much bigger than mice, IMO.

Truthfully, about any airgun with a design where the breech is exposed enough to load them could be used. A pneumatic design where you can control velocity or a low-powered springer is probably best. Daisy used to make a couple of pistol models that'd work well. They were priced a good bit above the venerable Marksman, but they were a good bit more sophisticated, too. I suppose it's pretty much a matter of how many different jobs you want it to do and how much you're willing to spend.

Hot brass
May 5, 2008, 01:42 PM
I shoot pellet guns because BB guns don`t have the accuracy that I demand.

res1b3uq
May 5, 2008, 03:21 PM
I have a Daisy 777 that is very accurate. They don't make this model anymore but the 717-747 have the same action. It shoots pellets only. Pellets are much more accurate than BB's. They are one-pump pistols, and mine is still holding about 350 FPS. I probably shoot it more than any pistol I have because I can just step outside and blast away. Inside, too.

wolf13
May 5, 2008, 07:08 PM
I appreciate the info on the dart guns. I'm not looking for it to do much, just want to shoot it at the dart board in my apartment. Know of anyplace I can get one of the mentioned guns? Most guns I have seen have rifled barrels.

Neo-Luddite
May 5, 2008, 08:38 PM
You CAN shoot darts out of a rifled bore with few problems regarding that activity itself--you'll just chew up the rifling. And, to a lesser extent, the darts (which most folks re-use).

The little Marksmans (I think) are still easily obtained. They used to sell them matched with a dartboard under the name "Shootin' Darts".

Now, if crossman could sell you a custom air pistol with an un-rifled bore--slick, slick, slick. One could always ask...

wolf13
May 5, 2008, 10:01 PM
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Will do... I like crossman as I used to shoot their pump pistol. I will try giving them a call or email. Thanks for the help.

sanglant
May 6, 2008, 12:04 AM
Well at least Its (http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/model.pl?model_id=626) cheap, but its also junk. I have had one longer than i can rember was fun for a week or too. :uhoh:


http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/model.pl?model_id=626

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