Article: Father Kills Toddler with ND


PDA






nwilliams
May 3, 2008, 02:42 PM
Sad just plain sad:(:fire::banghead::cuss::mad:

http://www.santafenewmexican.com/News/Cordova-man-arrested-in-child-s-shooting-death

Father's stray bullet kills toddler son
Related

Police say Cordova man admitted to the accident that left his 17-month-old dead

A Cordova man has told authorities he accidentally killed his 17-month-old son when he pulled the trigger on a military-style assault rifle inside a home on Thursday evening.

A state police spokesman said Joel Montalvo, 26, admitted shooting the child. He was released on $20,000 bond after being arraigned in Rio Arriba County Magistrate Court in Tierra Amarilla on charges of first-degree child abuse resulting in death.

Authorities said four other children, all under the age of 8, also were present in the home in Cordova, a community 14 miles east of Espaņola.

Montalvo told investigators at different times that he chambered a round in the rifle while preparing to go hunting or for target practice, Chief Deputy District Attorney A.J. Salazar said.

“The information we have thus far is that (Montalvo) essentially loaded the weapon, charged the weapon and proceeded to discharge the weapon,” Salazar said.

The father might have twice tried to fire the .223-caliber assault rifle after loading a round, first resulting in a misfire and the second the shot that killed his son, Salazar said, citing early reports from investigators at the scene of the shooting.

Aiden Montalvo was declared dead at 10:49 p.m. Thursday, after state police agents working in the area responded to a 911 call, Department of Public Safety spokesman Peter Olson said.

At the home, they found the toddler had been shot in the chest. Emergency workers were called around 7 p.m., Salazar said. The child's mother arrived home from a school meeting within a few moments of the shooting and was not charged in connection with the death, Olson said.

The 911 call and statements of emergency workers indicated the parents tried to save the infant's life after the shooting, Salazar said.

Salazar said investigators beleive Montalvo is employeed at Los Alamos National Laboratory.

If you enjoyed reading about "Article: Father Kills Toddler with ND" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!
jlbraun
May 3, 2008, 02:47 PM
A Cordova man has told authorities he accidentally killed his 17-month-old son when he ran him over with a car Thursday evening.

I'm sure the dad feels horrible, but if it were the above case we wouldn't use it as a justification to ban cars.

The instance of kids dying in gun accidents is so vanishingly rare that every time it happens it makes the news.

And *** is up with this:

The father might have twice tried to fire the .223-caliber assault rifle after loading a round, first resulting in a misfire and the second the shot that killed his son, Salazar said, citing early reports from investigators at the scene of the shooting.

cracked butt
May 3, 2008, 02:58 PM
:barf:


If you are going to be incredibly stupid, point the gun at a concrete wall, a cast iron bathtub, or a stuffed animal, not at a toddler!

lacoochee
May 3, 2008, 03:48 PM
I just don't see how this can happen by accident. The entire process doesn't make any sense nor does the story. He knew he had loaded the weapon, he possibly pulled the trigger once inside to make it fire? when it didn't fire, he recharged the firing mechanism and pulled the trigger again? all while aimed at his child, inside his home, ***? The whole story doesn't make sense at all.

Maybe he was just mad at the kid? Was it really his son or maybe a step-child?
Before anyone says that no one would do such a thing, think again, my brother (EMS) spent 20 minutes trying to revive a 6 year boy, unsuccessfully at a gas station in Ocala whose father/step-father had punched him as hard he could in the gut in a fit of rage.

I just don't see how this could have been an ND.

lvcat2004
May 4, 2008, 12:42 AM
We obvioulsy don't have the WHOLE story, but this sounds a bit strange....like shady strange....

Handling a LONG gun, loaded, pointed toward a toddler, and then PULLING the trigger??

He ACCIDENTALLY did all those things??

bumm
May 4, 2008, 10:05 AM
If this was an accident, the father is so stupid that he's a danger to himself and everyone around him handling guns, driving, handling power tools, or anything else. This sounds more like uncontrolled rage followed by a lame excuse.
Marty

Winter Borne
May 4, 2008, 10:23 AM
I am not defending this at all, but a possible explanation is this:

He chamberd a round from a magazine and pulled the trigger pointing at a wall. Sheetrock is no match for a military cartridge and his son is struck. The primer was idented on the next round durring semi-autu chambering. He clears the weapon leaving a dimpled round on the floor which the responding officers identify as a miss fire or dudd. If the guy is tis stupid, he might not keep the gun clean which could foul the fireing pin enough to indent the primer.

All of these are incredable stupid, but plausable.

Just food for thought. Prayers for the family and the poor boy.

mk

Blue Line
May 4, 2008, 11:08 AM
What were those safety rules? Something about pointing, hmmmm.
When you load a round in the chamber and pull the trigger what happens? I forget?:barf:

Wayne G.
May 4, 2008, 11:39 AM
A Cordova man has told authorities he accidentally killed his 17-month-old son when he pulled the trigger on a military-style assault rifle inside a home on Thursday evening.

The father might have twice tried to fire the .223-caliber assault rifle after loading a round, first resulting in a misfire and the second the shot that killed his son


[ANTI-2A]See? See?!!! Those "assault rifles" DO kill people! It wasn't the father's fault! That "military-style assault rifle" was so evil, it made him accidentally pull the trigger TWICE!!!:eek:
These evil military-style assault rifles must be banned!!![/ANTI-2A]

:banghead:

Pat-inCO
May 4, 2008, 01:05 PM
I'd like to be on that jury. :cuss:

lacoochee
May 4, 2008, 05:42 PM
I think he also violated the 5 "secret" rule of handling firearms, don't shoot them in your own home on a whim.

Anybody who believes this guys bull&^%^& story raise your hand.

I can hardly believe that he was allowed out on bail for $20,000.

MechAg94
May 4, 2008, 09:42 PM
Can't say much here. I think Winter Borne is close to the truth. It could also be he didn't see the toddler move in front of the muzzle. I know if my Dad has his guns out, we would have been nearby watching. Why he was loading the chamber in the house, I don't know. I have done that before, but I have since learned better.

A barrel of sand would be better for a discharge point, but even that is a poor substitute to a range or safe location.

jenrob
May 5, 2008, 01:51 AM
To pull the trigger on a loaded firearm in my home. I don't think so.

I have seen a lot of dimpled primers on AR style sporting rifles so that is a possibility but still unexcussible.

Why would you be pulling the trigger on a loaded firearm of any type in your home?

I have done this laying on my kitchen floor in the winter shooting out the back door at coyotes with a set of electonic muffs on so I can hear if somebody pulls in the drive like the wife.

But I always know what my back stop is and where I am pointing a loaded firearm.

I had one ND/AD in the has shoot a hole through the house into the ground pointed at nothing. Had been pointing at cows but never pulled the trigger cause it wasn't something I wanted to kill (course the wall wasn't either but I pulled the trigger when the firearm was pointed in a safe direction.

prayers go out to the family

If this was an accident he has and will forever pay for it no need to prosicute him. If not then being this is THR I can't say what should be done.

I do know that if anything happened to my daughter like this and I got out on bail they wouldn't have a chance to prosicute me I would not be able to live after such horror

outerlimit
May 5, 2008, 10:35 AM
Salazar said investigators beleive Montalvo is employeed at Los Alamos National Laboratory.

Another idiot with a national security clearance?

:barf:

allenajarr
May 5, 2008, 02:53 PM
First of all - the father is NOT an idiot - he is not a child abuser and absolutely under no circumstances would he intentionally put his child at risk. He DID NOT point the gun at the child - if you are at all familiar with that type of gun you know that after you clean it you need to put a cartridge in to make sure that you have put it together corectly - and target rounds are the same color as the pin that pushes up the next round into the chamber - not copper like a normal round - This father is a loving caring person - All of you yahoos need to take a step back and realize not all you hear in the news is correct - the baby's age is wrong in half of the reports as is the mothers whereabouts. Don't be so quick to judge - God will judge - the family is going through enough pain and devastation - half ass opinions from people who have less than half the facts is definitely not needed. Now is the time to be supportive and pray for healing for the family and this father - not critical and judgemental.:cuss:

Mr_Rogers
May 5, 2008, 03:09 PM
Allenajarr,
Our prayers should be with the family.

Having said that, I must point out, as gently as I can, that unless the round fired was a ricochet, the father did, in fact, point the rifle at the child. Bullets do not travel in significant curves. The rest of the facts you point out, although perhaps contributing factors in this sad case, can never remove the fact that a firearm, with a live round in the chamber, was pointed in the wrong direction and the trigger was pulled.

Most sad, and a wake up call to the rest of us in case we tend to get overly casual with our firearms.

Thank you for giving us more insight into this event.

TexasRifleman
May 5, 2008, 03:12 PM
if you are at all familiar with that type of gun you know that after you clean it you need to put a cartridge in to make sure that you have put it together corectly

All of you yahoos need to take a step back and realize not all you hear in the news is correct

The primary facts remain, he put a live round in a gun and pulled the trigger. What else the media might report doesn't really matter.

It is certainly tragic and prayers go out for the mother and the child but if the child was hit in the chest I think it's reasonable to assume that the muzzle was pointed in that direction yes? Even if a ricochet the trigger was still pulled. Tragic ending.

I get the feeling from your emotional post, and since you apparantly registered here just to post it, that you probably know the people involved.

If so I'm sorry for your loss but sometimes the view from inside a situation can very much distort what you see. Most often you see what you want to see not necessarily what is reality.

30 cal slob
May 5, 2008, 03:23 PM
oh God, stories like this make me physically sick.

I pray for the youngster.

If I were the father I would have scrounged up another round for myself. I wouldn't be able to live through something like that. Not at all.

hso
May 5, 2008, 03:30 PM
The man's been charged. Until he's tried there's not much more to say from a legal standpoint.

Let's keep focused on the legal issues here.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
May 5, 2008, 03:31 PM
Those evil assault rifles also take over the brains of their wielder, and make them instantly stupid (or so the antis will now imply). Very sad. The charge is a little overblown, too. Involuntary manslaughter as a result of gross negligence, yes.... Child abuse? No, where's the abuse? Abuse implies intent to make physical contact. He likely had no intent to harm whatsoever -if he did, it would be murder, not child abuse. Either way, wrong charge. The wrong charge will result in an acquittal, which is not what you want when there IS an appropriate charge. Plus he (the dad) likely has suffered plenty enough without an overblown charge being leveled at him. Stupid DAs.

K3
May 5, 2008, 03:33 PM
- if you are at all familiar with that type of gun you know that after you clean it you need to put a cartridge in to make sure that you have put it together corectly -

Which type of gun would that be? An AR? I've never needed to put a cartridge in one to know it was put together correctly. Not for any other rifle I've come across either.

cracked butt
May 5, 2008, 03:36 PM
He DID NOT point the gun at the child -

Then how in the hell did the bullet hit the child? There might have been a few drywall panels between him and the child, but I still consider that as pointing the gun at the child.

if you are at all familiar with that type of gun you know that after you clean it you need to put a cartridge in to make sure that you have put it together corectly

I'm also familiar with the 4 safety rules. I'm also going to state that its something that can be done at the shooting range, if an appropriate backstop isn't available at home.

and target rounds are the same color as the pin that pushes up the next round into the chamber




:confused::confused: Target rounds? Good grief, hasn't anyone ever been taught that the way to clear a weapon is to remove the magazine first?



I pray for the youngster.

If I were the father I would have scrounged up another round for myself. I wouldn't be able to live through something like that. Not at all.

As a father with youngsters at home, my sentiments are exactly the same.

MechAg94
May 5, 2008, 05:05 PM
I think that was one of those poor and unidentified attempt at sarcasm.

"..pin that pushes up the next round?" ??
"target round" Is that some sort of snap cap?

lacoochee
May 6, 2008, 12:59 AM
You're right it must have been tongue in cheek...

Allenajarr if it wasn't tongue in cheek, then I'll have you know I am from a long line of yahoo's none of whom have ever managed to kill one of our children with a bullet from our own weapons. Given the number of stories in my family that start with the tragic southern line of "Hey y'all watch this!!" I think that demonstrates just how dumb or angry? you would have to be to pull something off as described in the article.

Dumptruck
May 6, 2008, 05:23 AM
Either A) He is a murderer or B) unbelievably negligent. That doesn't fair so well for him when it reaches the court room.

"No your honor my child was in the other room when I started pulling the trigger with a live round in the chamber....while inside my home.

MechAg94
May 6, 2008, 11:38 AM
Well I'll be the first to admit that I have made mistakes and had triggers get snagged or bolts slam home when I wasn't expecting it. That is why I am careful where I point the guns and I don't mess with them when they are loaded. I have seen people who know better make mistakes and fire guns into the dirt, but they were at least following that one rule.

Its takes eternal vigilance to truly prevent mistakes. As soon as you think you will never do it, you'll do it.

Kentak
May 6, 2008, 12:24 PM
First of all - the father is NOT an idiot - he is not a child abuser and absolutely under no circumstances would he intentionally put his child at risk. He DID NOT point the gun at the child - if you are at all familiar with that type of gun you know that after you clean it you need to put a cartridge in to make sure that you have put it together corectly - and target rounds are the same color as the pin that pushes up the next round into the chamber - not copper like a normal round

Bullfeathers. You do not have to chamber a cartridge in an AR15 to make sure "you have put it back together correctly."

Why would you chamber a round in your home in preparation for going hunting or target shooting? Why would you pull the trigger?

A lot more information has to come out before I believe this guy isn't incredibly negligent, ignorant of firearms handling procedures, or mentally deficient. Poster child for "Some people shouldn't have guns."

K

Blue Line
May 6, 2008, 02:53 PM
Jeff Cooper's Rules of Gun Safety

RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT
WILLING TO DESTROY

RULE III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS
ARE ON THE TARGET

RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET

Cannonball888
May 6, 2008, 03:02 PM
Sheetrock is no match for a military cartridge
Sheetrock is no match for any cartridge, or even a pellet gun. I used peices of sheetrock as outside 50 yard targets for my air rifle. Easy penetration.

If you enjoyed reading about "Article: Father Kills Toddler with ND" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!