Best competition 1911 (.45) for $900?


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brighamr
May 4, 2008, 04:55 PM
Price can be somewhat negotiable. I'm looking to use this gun in USPSA, and I like the 1911 platform (haven't owned one, but was impressed with the ones I've shot).

suggestions, customizations and dealer recommendations are appreciated!

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gtmtnbiker98
May 4, 2008, 05:19 PM
S&W 1911 or a Springer would be my options.

brighamr
May 4, 2008, 05:21 PM
What do you think about the Kimber Custom TLE/RL II ?

Rinspeed
May 4, 2008, 05:35 PM
STI Trojan.

brighamr
May 4, 2008, 05:54 PM
Anybody care to elaborate? Why the Trojan? What makes it better/worse than Kimber or S&W? I'm knew to 1911's and want to learn what options/quality differences there are. TIA

Hunter0924
May 4, 2008, 11:42 PM
My choice would be a Colt Gold Cup Trophy.

skinewmexico
May 4, 2008, 11:55 PM
STI. I think their quality control, and hand fitting is better. I just can't warm up to S&W, they're been making a 1911 for what? An hour? And you seem to see a lot of problem Kimbers on 1911 forums. Or maybe Kimber owners are whinier. For a comp gun, I'd sure give up some accuracy for reliability too.

MICHAEL T
May 5, 2008, 12:28 AM
A Dan Wesson would get my vote then a Colt.

10-Ring
May 5, 2008, 12:32 AM
I would get a nice base gun & custom the gun to what you need -- that way you get the function you need w/ the parts you want w/o the frills the factory says you need ;) Something like a nice Colt 1991 or a SA Mil Spec

9mmepiphany
May 5, 2008, 01:55 AM
i've had good luck with the S&W pllatform but alot of folks don't like the way their firing pin safety works

STI make a very nice double stack, but haven't handled their single stack trojan yet.

if i wanted a base gun to build on i'd get the colt 1991 or the springfield with the brazilian frame. they are both good basic guns and you spend less for a gun you're going to throw away half the parts on.

Kimbers have issues and i'm not sure they have them all addressed yet

71Commander
May 5, 2008, 07:15 AM
STI Trojan. Best bang for the buck.

19-3Ben
May 5, 2008, 08:15 AM
or the springfield with the brazilian frame
I thought they were from the Philippines. Am I wrong?

71Commander
May 5, 2008, 08:26 AM
SA's frames are from S. America. Armscore in Twin Pines, PI. makes Rock Island and Charles Daly.

JoeSlomo
May 5, 2008, 09:17 AM
What do you think about the Kimber Custom TLE/RL II ?

That's what I use for single stack and CDP.

It took some extractor tweaking to get it to feed right, and the mags would hang, which required me to switch out the mag release with my springfield compact mag release. That did the trick.

Now she runs fine and is plenty accurate.

brighamr
May 5, 2008, 10:54 AM
So, what I'm understanding is STI Trojan and Dan Wessen models are good factory guns (meaning ready to go). BUT if I wanted to take the time to build/customize one, I should start with a Colt.

I'm thinking a trip to the gunshop is in order :)

What's a good 1911 forum? I'm so new, I still don't even know what options are available for the platform.

71Commander
May 5, 2008, 11:02 AM
Evrything you would put on the Colt is already on the STI.:)

CWL
May 5, 2008, 02:58 PM
My vote goes to Dan Wesson for best value of price v. quality, fit, and parts.

Next would be Springfield Armory. Loaded wold be good enough I think.

Deer Hunter
May 5, 2008, 03:02 PM
Dan Wesson or STI.

johndoe1027
May 5, 2008, 04:54 PM
I started with a SA Milspec (not WWI version) b/c it was relatively cheap and no one makes a 1911 exactly like I want anyway. I could spend 2500 and still have to swap parts.

you need to find out if you want...
a flat or arched mainspring housing (changes grip angle)
a long or short trigger (depends on the length of your fingers)
target or novak style sights (I personally don't like target sights for some reason)
grip safety with a bump or not (changes grip angle slightly and changes the feel of the grip as well)
ambi safety (if your right handed and do not intend to use this gun for defense then it is not neccessary)
extended safety or GI style safety (many compete with the extended)
beveled magwell or extended and beveled magwell (I wouldn't compete without at least a beveled frame magwell)
checkered front strap? (improves grip)
undercut trigger guard? (gives you a higher and firmer grip IMO)
front cocking serrations? (some people would never put their hands so close to the muzzle, not to mention they are useles after a magazine is fired)
Beavertail or GI style grip safety? (most people compete with the beavertail but that's not a neccessity)

most importantly is can you hold a double stack comfortably? If so and you don't plan on competing in a class that prohibits them (or limits the magazine loading capacity) then you should defintely go that route. 38 supers hold more rounds than a 45acp. Less reloads = faster times = better scores. I can't get comfortable with a double stack so I stick with the skinny version.

It all starts when you grab a 1911 and get "that feeling" like it's and extension of your arm. One may look the same on 1st glance but it won't give you that feeling. See what is different, is it the trigger length? MSH? grip safety? Then grab others that are similar but a bit different in one way. It took me awhile (six 1911's and almost 2 years) to find out what it was that I really wanted. If you study and fondle a bunch of em then you won't have that expensive (and terribly fun) learning curve.

Personally, I like a undercut trigger guard, checkered front strap, flat MSH, extra long trigger (caspian trik), ambi extended safety (les baer), novak style sights, beveled frame magwell (cuz I carry my IPSC gun and the extended magwell prints too much) and a grip safety with no bump. A gun set up like that at anything under 10 yards needs no sights because it points correctly for me. I can close my eyes and draw and I will always be pointed where I planned to before I closed my eyes. When I grab my milspec (now that I've replaced a few parts) it feels like it's welded to my hand.

Of course, build quality trumps any of the optional featues I listed above. But like I said, don't spend all of your cash to get a gun that doesn't fit you. Then you'll have hundreds of dollars in parts to make it what you wanted to begin with. As long as you get a reputable brand, you'll be happy with the reliability. Don't be scared of Kimbers if they make the one that fits you. I've only had one but it worked "just as good" (read: better) as some of the more expensive ones I've had. YMMV

Hope this helps.

FEG
May 5, 2008, 05:11 PM
Dan Wesson PM-7 or STI Trojan. As has been mentioned, one or the other of these should fulfill your needs without modification. You can't get the same features on a Colt for less than $900. The aftermarket parts in the PM-7 or Trojan were purchased in bulk. You start putting Ed Brown and Wilson parts in a New Series 70 Colt to replace the MIM, and you are WAY behind. (Trust me, this is why I eventually ended up with a PM-7.)

GrandmasterB
May 5, 2008, 05:28 PM
Get an STI Spartan for $600 and use the extra $$ for accessories and practice ammo!

brighamr
May 6, 2008, 12:33 PM
Johndoe - that was a very informative post, thank you! What you said makes sense. i do need to go fondle a bunch of them and see what differences I like/dislike. It's always hard to shop for an expensive gun with a cheap price range, but hopefully I'll get a good one.

thanks to everyone for your help. I forsee a couple of gun shows and several gun store visits in my near future ;)

Rinspeed
May 6, 2008, 01:30 PM
Best competition 1911 (.45) for $900?



Price can be somewhat negotiable.




I must have missed that before. Save you money a bit longer and get a Baer PII. You won't be disappointed.

tacmedicp94
May 6, 2008, 01:53 PM
IMO the best 1911 forum is m1911.org
Pay special attention to anything 1911tuner has to say on any forum you find him on.

pgeleven
May 6, 2008, 05:28 PM
Gander Mtn and similar stores commonly have a Kimber or two under $900. best bet IMHO

TX1911fan
May 6, 2008, 05:35 PM
If you start with a Springfield GI, you can make it what you want.

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/2160/gi1xu5.jpg

This was done for looks, but once I was done with it, it runs perfectly.

Black Majik
May 6, 2008, 06:07 PM
Honestly, any of the major production 1911s will put out a quality 1911 that's suitable for competition. There isn't really a "best" 1911 for competition when it comes to production 1911s. You should choose which features you want on it and go from there.

Adjustable sights might be preferrable, since you can adjust POI depending on what load you use in your gun.

Kimber, Springfield, Colt, Dan Wesson, Smith and Wesson... all should do you quite well.

Good luck!

johndoe1027
May 7, 2008, 01:28 AM
Johndoe - that was a very informative post, thank you! What you said makes sense. i do need to go fondle a bunch of them and see what differences I like/dislike. It's always hard to shop for an expensive gun with a cheap price range, but hopefully I'll get a good one.

thanks to everyone for your help. I forsee a couple of gun shows and several gun store visits in my near future

Just glad I could help. :) Like I said, it took me a lot of trial and error to decide what I really liked. I really noticed that just the other day with my mil spec. I didn't really like the gun at all until I swapped the MSH from arched to flat and put a long trigger on instead of the short trigger. HUGE difference for $70.

I would have to disagree with the GI comment though unless you really like straight serrations. The milspec has lowered and flared ejection port (sounds like an expensive mod to me) plus a beveled magwell (cheap DIY mod). There's a couple of other advantages on the milspec vs the GI but if you want the GI slide look (straight vs angled serrations) then by all means, get the GI. I have a buddy that wishes he had started with a milspec over a GI for competition purposes.

A loaded SA is a good start as well. Not to forget the rest of the great manufacturers already mentioned (SW, Kimber, DW, Colt, Baer etc).

tackleberry45
May 7, 2008, 12:33 PM
go to m1911.org. A LOT of information.

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