Reloading 9mm for Glock19


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700ForLife
May 9, 2008, 01:59 AM
I need help determining the right powder and bullets for reloading 9mm. Looking for a cheaper but something that won't fail. It will be used for tactical training.

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jimmyjam
May 9, 2008, 02:21 AM
I do believe that you're not supposed to reload if you're shooting the ammunition through a glock.

I hear that one of the reasons that they're so reliable is that the chamber isn't fully supported.

*shrug*
Your mileage may vary, but I never shoot handloads through the glock.

Idano
May 9, 2008, 02:44 AM
I have been very happy using 5.5 grains of Unique with a 115 grain plated bullet. In fact I just loaded up 250 of them today.

imaghn
May 9, 2008, 02:49 AM
Here is a nice write up w/pictures concerning unsupported chamber issue with the glock model pistols. The author's take on it is that its not a support issue but a clearance/tolerance one.

http://www.christiangunowner.com/glockreviews.html



enjoy the glock :)

hoptob
May 9, 2008, 02:50 AM
Jimmy, I shot about 15K reloads thru my G19. Still cycles... ;)

700, there are great many 9mm training loads. My pet loads are 4.3 gr. Titegroup under 115 gr. jacketed bullet and 6.2 gr. HS-6 under 124 gr. plated bullet. Both OAL 1.125"; std primers.

Mike

700ForLife
May 9, 2008, 02:55 AM
So it is no problem to reload for the G19?

trickyasafox
May 9, 2008, 03:35 AM
I reload for 3 stock glocks, a 17 a 23 and a 21. I'm still here too.

glockpost and glocktalk has a lot of guys who also reload for stock glocks and glocks with aftermarket barrels.

I go so far as to shoot dreaded lead in mine as well. if your a careful reloader, and you are attentive, I don't feel it is more dangerous than any other firearm to load for.

Steve C
May 9, 2008, 03:52 AM
I've shot lots of reloads through my 20 year old G19 though I stick to jacketed bullets in its polygonal barrel. I have tried lead and never got much accuracy out of them and the polygonal barrel does lead up quickly. I generally use 115gr Remington JHP's bought in bulk. I like Power Pistol and Unique for 9mm loads with 115gr bullets.

hoptob
May 9, 2008, 04:09 AM
Well, there is a problem. If you tell them you shoot reloads, your warranty is void. But Glock factory armorer once told me "If you don't tell us you shoot reloads, how would we know?"

Other than that I don't think there is a problem.

:)

rg1
May 9, 2008, 04:30 AM
I shoot 124 fmj's and RP Golden Sabers in mine. I use Unique powder and CCI primers. 4.8 grains of Unique is a good mild load and 5.0-5.1 is what I use for both 124 grain bullets. The 124 grain loads shoot to point of aim with my fixed sights. No problems at all with my handloads in the 19.

rodregier
May 9, 2008, 06:26 AM
124g FMJRN, Winchester max for WSF powder in G17's. Many thousands of rounds.

JDGray
May 9, 2008, 06:35 AM
My G19 liked the 115gr Win flatbase fmj, over 5.5 gr Power Pistol, 1.150 oal:)

RustyFN
May 9, 2008, 07:59 AM
I use 4.2 grains of Titegroup under a 124 grain Zero bullet. I shoot those in a G17.
Rusty

emb
May 9, 2008, 08:59 AM
I shoot 124 grn FMJ Winchesters with WSF. Sorry don't remember the exact weight, but I think it's 4.5. Very nice and accurate load. It also shoots just as well through my other 9mms.

There are no problems with reloads through the Glock except maybe lead. It seems that all gun manufacturers void warranties with reloads.

H1500308
May 9, 2008, 12:01 PM
5.3 Unique and 115g FMJ for me. Works well in the G19 and G26. I had FTE/Stovepipe issues @ 4.8 Unique. CCI and WSP primers.

ChuckB
May 9, 2008, 09:27 PM
I'm with JDGray, but use 5.7gr. of Power Pistol.

Chuck

Clark
May 9, 2008, 11:09 PM
CAUTION: The following post includes loading data beyond currently published maximums for this cartridge. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. Neither the writer, The High Road, nor the staff of THR assume any liability for any damage or injury resulting from use of this information.

I overloaded a Glock 19 9mm, Glock 22 40 S&W, and Glock 20 10mm until I got case bulges or primer piercing.

9mm was by far the most powerful.

The 9mm could go 100% extra powder as the feed ramp is only .190" deep.
The 40 could go 25% extra powder as the feed ramp is .235" deep.
The 10 could go 3% extra powder as the feed ramp is .250" deep.

Then I got better case support and the 40 could kick the hardest, followed by the 10, followed by the 9mm.

The stock 9mm barrel can take ammo that is too powerful for the springs.

The stock springs in a Glock 19 is ~ 12 pounds.
I put in 47 pounds with triple springs on an assembly I made.
The chamber came up empty and the trigger did not reset.
I doubled the magazine spring and got a New York trigger.
It now takes an extremely strong grip to chamber a round and a strong thumb to load a magazine.

The slide still hits the frame and the empties eject too far with my hot loads.

What does it all mean?
The Glock19 9mm has good case support, but warmer loads are hard to absorb with a slide mass designed for wimpy SAAMI loads.
So in a load work up, one would have to watch for:
a) case bulges
b) primer piercing
c) slide slamming the frame and cases landing too far away from wimpy spring and hard recoil.

distra
May 10, 2008, 01:29 AM
You can reload for your 19 and other Glocks. It seems there are a lot folks who equate Glock = No reloads. Simply not true. I shoot with more people who reload for their Glocks than any other pistol. Some are even loading for bowling pins. You must be careful as with any reloading. I also load for my 21 and 36 as well. My 9mm loads are as follows

125gr Plated Rainer FP over 4.8gr Bullseye or 5.2 gr Unique
125gr precision Polymer coated FP bullets over 4.5gr Bullseye or 5.0gr Unique

These run fine through my 19, my wife's H&K USP, my XD9 and Hi-Power.

callgood
May 10, 2008, 11:22 PM
I do believe that you're not supposed to reload if you're shooting the ammunition through a glock.

I hear that one of the reasons that they're so reliable is that the chamber isn't fully supported.

*shrug*
Your mileage may vary, but I never shoot handloads through the glock.

How would the Glock differentiate between commercially loaded ammo and handloaded ammo, correctly done?

I've loaded for my G20 for going on 4 years. I've used the stock barrel for FMJs and an aftermarket button rifled barrel for lead. I typically get the best groups at from 80 to 90% max load.

Jayman
May 14, 2008, 10:35 PM
I have somewhere in the neighborhood of 40k worth of reloads through my G34. Load following recommended procedures and don't get stupid and you'll be absolutely fine.

jlm83082
September 24, 2012, 12:11 AM
All,

I have just completed setting up my first press, a Hornady LNL AP Ammo Plant, complete with case feeder and bullet feeder. Dies setup as follows:
Station 1- RCBS size and deprimer
Station 2- Hornady PTX Expander/powder drop
Station 3- Hornady Powder COP
Station 4- Hornady Bullet Feeder Die
Station 5- Hornady Seater Die

I am only interested in loading 9mm for now for plinking and training purposes. Below is the current recipe that I am looking at using. Can you all please take a look at it and tell me if you consider this a safe load or not. It will be fired out of a Glock 19.

Bullet: Rainer 115gr RN
Primer: Remington 1.5 Small Pistol
Powder: Titegroup 4.2 grains
Case: Remington
COAL: 1.100"

Thanks in advanced for all your thoughts and opinions.

918v
September 24, 2012, 12:18 AM
I do believe that you're not supposed to reload if you're shooting the ammunition through a glock.

I disagree.

coalman
September 24, 2012, 01:51 AM
Nothing special about a Glock 19. I've run LRN and LTC (aftermarket barrels), plated FP, HP and FMJ w/out issue. 700x, 800x, Solo 1k, TG, BE, Unique... and more. I have found 124gr plated over unique to be particularly consistent.

bds
September 24, 2012, 02:07 AM
plinking and training purposes. Below is the current recipe that I am looking at using. Can you all please take a look at it and tell me if you consider this a safe load or not. It will be fired out of a Glock 19.

Bullet: Rainer 115gr RN
Powder: Titegroup 4.2 grains
COAL: 1.100"
I think your OAL maybe too short. I typically use 1.135" OAL with 115/124 gr plated RN bullets.

Rainier Ballistics (http://www.rainierballistics.com/loaddata.php) recommends we use lead load data when specific plated load data is not available. Here's current load data from Hodgdon.

115 gr Lead RN Titegroup Diameter .356" OAL 1.100" Start 3.9 gr (1075 fps) 25,800 CUP - Max 4.3 gr (1151 fps) 30,500 CUP


As to shooting lead bullets in factory Glock barrels, IME/IMO, due to longer leade and very smooth start of rifling with rounded rifling, shooting lead bullets in factory Glock barrels tends to gas cut more and deposit fouling faster than conventional land-groove rifled barrels. If left to build fouling deposit, you'll essentially end up with smooth bore barrel with reduced diameter. If the bullet won't be able to spin with the rifling, your accuracy will suffer too.

As rcmodel recommends, I also suggest inspecting and cleaning the factory Glock barrel every 200-300 rounds or so - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=8089797#post8089797

Here's a Glock 17 barrel after only 100 rounds of lead rounds

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=151380&stc=1&d=1319341855

In comparison, below are LW 40-9 G22/G27 conversion barrels with several hundred rounds of same MBC 125 gr RN loads shot through. If you look at the "dirty" barrel pictures, fouling build up is less and greater accuracy is maintained. Unlike fouling build up in the Glock barrel, the picture on the right of the muzzle end of the barrel shows less fouling build up even after several hundred rounds of lead reloads. The LW barrels cleaned up well with Hoppes #9 soaked copper bore brush. Any fouling/lead residue that won't comes out clears easily with old bore brush wrapped with copper scrubber strands (chore boy).
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=162418&stc=1&d=1333939386

918v
September 24, 2012, 02:09 AM
That's because people use undersized bullets. They think .356" is .001" over .355" and therefore good to go. Well, maybe they should try .357-.358".

bds
September 24, 2012, 02:15 AM
That's because people use undersized bullets. They think .356" is .001" over .355" and therefore good to go. Well, maybe they should try .357-.358".
Using oversized bullets in tight chambered match barrels may not allow them to feed reliably and/or fully chamber.

I prefer to use lead bullets sized .001" over the groove diameter of "MY" barrels.

And no, my Sig 1911 and Lone Wolf barrels do not have "free bore", just chamber and leade so spare me the "free bore" discussion.

YMMV - Peace.

AlliedArmory
September 24, 2012, 08:25 AM
Not the cheapest, but I absolutely love Montana Gold 124gr JHP over 4.3gr W231 @ 1.125 COAL. Shoots excellent out of my G34.

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