[Dionysusigma]

Something I've been concerned about for a while now... oh and happy 101st post to me!

[cool45auto]

Pray for #1, probably #3. Lord I hope not #2!:uhoh:

[HBK]

Maybe I'm just being optomistic, but I think maybe #1. That's what SHOULD happen, anyway.

[Standing Wolf]

I'm party guessing, partly hoping the leftist extremists in the Congress don't have the numbers to extend this fathomlessly stupid piece of legislation.

[AZTOY]

#1 END OF STORY



We have over 5000 members at the THR and we are members on other forums. So if the all the member on this forum and the others forums all to fight we will win. Please write the letters,send the e-mail and make the phone calls to your congress critters.

If a new AWB bill gets passed that means we did not fight hard a nuff and have no to blame but our self.:banghead:








I have 16 new letters going out in the morning.:D

[veloce851]

Well I'm concerned the new "sniper" is going to fuel the anti movement.

Which makes me tend to believe my brother's view.. that there could potencially be anti-groups behind these shootings.

[natedog]

i heard that for every letter a politician recieves, it represents 5000 members of the populations' opinion (or at least that's how they treat them) almost 6000 THR members, that means close to 30,000 peole! flood the mail lines with your letters!

[TheOtherOne]

But of those 6,000 members how many will actually read a post like this one, be inspired to write a letter, actually write it, print it out, get it in an envelope, write the address on the envelope, stamp it and mail it.

It probably starts with a fair number of people on the first step, but then drastically drops off and the amount that actually make it all the way to the last step is very low. 30 or 40 would be my guess.

It's going to be renewed because when the date approaches the media will scream bloody murder about it's possible sunset. "Why don't these cigar smoking politicians in Washington think about the children and what the evil NRA is doing to them".

[AZTOY]

TheOtherOne

But of those 6,000 members how many will actually read a post like this one, be inspired to write a letter, actually write it, print it out, get it in an envelope, write the address on the envelope, stamp it and mail it.

That the dang Problem!!!!:cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

[DeputyVaughn]

I'm not as optimistic as most. I predict that there will be some very highly contested legislation that will be looking like it will not pass. A week or so before the current ban is to expire, there will be some nut case out in front of the Whitehouse or some other high profile location shooting an AK, AR, SKS or some other terrible "Assault Weapon" and the nation will sudently realize that this legislation needs to be passed and it will pass by 1 vote. It will be known as the "Lightning Strikes Twice bill".

Scott

[natedog]

another thing that will happen... I WILL buy one of these http://www.dsarms.com/item-detail.cfm?ID=SA58OSWNFA&storeid=1&image=sa58osw.gif

[Josey]

Hey Yes. The new sniper is not good for the AWB sunset. I am also worried that at the 11th hour, some nut is going to shoot a AR-15 into a federal building.

[pax]

If the post is about law or politics, it really belongs in the Legal and Political forum, so I'm moving this one over there.

pax

[Geech]

Erm... If one letter represents 5,000 people, then 6,000 letters represent 30,000,000 people, not 30,000.

BTW, voted for three. I'm really hoping for one, but I'm preparing myself for worse.

[WonderNine]

It will expire for now. In fact I only give it 1% chance of being extended just because I have to for the sake of honesty. I can't say what will happen many years from now though.

I believe as much that "anti-movements" are behind the new sniper shootings as much as I believe that aliens are behind crop circles, but I do believe that the media will use ANY shootings possible to get themselves a story and it has nothing to do with political ajenda just money and ratings.

[WonderNine]

i heard that for every letter a politician recieves, it represents 5000 members of the populations' opinion (or at least that's how they treat them) almost 6000 THR members, that means close to 30,000 peole! flood the mail lines with your letters!

5,000 X 6,000 = 30 million. ;)

:) :)

[WonderNine]

It's going to be renewed because when the date approaches the media will scream bloody murder about it's possible sunset. "Why don't these cigar smoking politicians in Washington think about the children and what the evil NRA is doing to them".

I believe you are worse for our cause than Diane Feinstein.

[TheOtherOne]

I believe you are worse for our cause than Diane Feinstein.Uh, yeah sure. Just wait until I sneak onto the floor at the last minute and paper clip my amendment to ban all semi-auto and bolt action firearms to something like the lawful commerce in arms act. If it's paper clipped there's nothing they can do about it! :scrutiny:

[rick_reno]

In order to have a rational discussion about what will happen with the AWB you cannot ignore history. Historically, what has been happening with respect to firearm rights? Has Congress taken the magic liberty pill and given us back ANY firearm rights? or have they been slowly eroded away? Name me one instance in your lifetime or your fathers lifetime when "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" was enchanced at the Federal level. The ban will sunset, that's a given and since I don't believe in the Easter Bunny or the Tooth Fairy - and I can read history - I firmly beleive a new ban will be put in place. The only dicsussion is if it will include more firearms or be the same without the sunset provision. I'm betting on the latter - it'll be a compromise bill that the NRA will support with the statement that they again "saved the 2nd Amendment". The President has already said he supports the ban - and why not - it's been in place for 10 years and the sky hasn't fallen in. People continue to drag their sorry butts to the polling places and pull the lever or punch the hole for these good Republicans who protect our Rights. There is a lot of the political landscape between between now and next Sept. and anything can - and will - happen.

[Kharn]

Rick_reno:
Name me one instance in your lifetime or your fathers lifetime when "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" was enchanced at the Federal level.
Gun control act of 1968: All ammunition must be purchased in person, and the dealer must log all purchases in a bound book.
Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986: Above bullcrap voided.
Thats one of the bigger ones, but there's other wrongs that were righted in the FOPA of '86.

I firmly beleive a new ban will be put in place.
And when was the last time you wrote your congressman a letter to let him know you didnt want a new ban to be put in place?

Kharn

[Jaguar]

I hope it sunsets. However, I believe that some anti-gun nut will introduce legislation that will be so out of wack with reality that the current law looks good. Then NRA will get behind the current law just so the really bad stuff dosen't get through. All the RINOs can say they support the NRA and yet also claim they compromised "for the children" so the soccer ninnies will vote for them.

I have little faith but I have and will continue to write letters.:banghead:

[rick_reno]

Kharn posted "Gun control act of 1968: All ammunition must be purchased in person, and the dealer must log all purchases in a bound book.
Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986: Above bullcrap voided.
Thats one of the bigger ones, but there's other wrongs that were righted in the FOPA of '86.:

If these are wins in your mind - you're very confused.

JPFO (Jews for Preservation of Firearm Ownership) suggests that the 1968 Gun Control Act - the same one you mention as providing relief - was drafted from Nazi legislation. Read about it here http://www.jpfo.org/GCA_68.htm

Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 - look closely at what it did to Class 3 firearms in this country. It's got a clever name, but beyond that what did it do to restore our gun Rights?

I have to wonder how many on this board agree with your assessment that the bills mentioned gave us back Rights regarding firearms.

I wrote my Congressman and Senators last month. I called them too. If you think that a vocal minority - and like it or not we are a minority - makes any difference in what they do then you've got better medication than I have access to.

[TheOtherOne]

I think what he was saying is that the Gun Owners Protection Act of 1986 got rid of the "ammunition must be purchased in person" law that the Gun Control Act of 1968 gave us.

That would of sucked not being able to mail order ammunition, but personally I wouldn't have traded it for the outlawing of new full auto firearms.

Say there is something like a "Second Amendment Protection Act" that is passed which will give us folding stocks, threaded barrels and bayonets back but then outlaws new semi-automatic weapons. No thanks! Hypothetical yes, but similar to GOPA in my opinion.

[Thumper]

Per email rcvd from Rep. Delay this morning:

Over the ten-year period of this assault weapons ban, the statistical data does not demonstrate that assault weapons are a leading cause of crime or gun-related fatalities. As a result, proponents of this ban seek to take away your constitutional rights for reasons that are not supported by statistical data. The assault weapons ban should not be renewed and should be repealed upon the sunset date, September 13, 2004.

There has been a great deal of speculation regarding the renewal of the assault weapons ban and pending legislation, however, I do not believe that there are enough votes in the House for a renewal. Furthermore, I have no intention of bringing a bill up to renew this law. Please rest assured that I will continue to fight against any legislative intrusions that infringe on the Second Amendment right to bear arms that come to the House floor for a vote.


Nice.

Keep the mail flowing.

[HBK]

I wish I got letters like that from my representative. I would write even more letters than I do now. :(

[Kharn]

Rick_reno:
First off, the GCA of '68 wasnt a victory, I was showing the harm it did, the FOPA corrected that mistake.

Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 - look closely at what it did to Class 3 firearms in this country. It's got a clever name, but beyond that what did it do to restore our gun Rights?
So one little line condemns a whole bill, in your opinion?

The FOPA reigned-in an out of control ATF and removed provisions preventing ammunition purchases through the mail (I'm at work, so I dont have the rest of the info at hand) at the very least. The MG ban was an amendment that got thrown in at the last second, which the sponsors decided to live with because they thought they did not had the votes in the House of Reps (the Senate passed the FOPA overwhelmingly) to approve it a second time.

If you read the history of the 1970s ATF and the 1968 GCA, the 1986 FOPA was a damn good bill that became slightly tainted due to the political backstabbing of the MG amendment.

Its hard to come up with an example of an expansion of gun rights that doesnt involve a previous law being voided, since before 1934 we had almost universal gun rights (not counting those living under NY's Sullivan law and racist anti-CCW laws) and court recognition of the same.

Kharn

[dustind]

guys check out www.awbansunset.com

we are looking good in the house, and ok in the senate.

[Geech]

Actually, we don't look that good in the senate. Not as good as I'd like to see, at least. People into those gray and light-green states need to really be pounding their congressmen with letters about this one.