[WhoKnowsWho]

I remember seeing a site that said how the stricter gun laws in California are doing a good job of keeping guns out of homes as shown by the fewer purchases made.

I just wanted to see if those in California find themselves buying less because the guns they want simply are not allowed in California. Do you buy something else instead? Or tell yourself when you move from California, you will buy it?

I just thought the "conclusive" research information was seriously flawed...

[dav]

In order to be sold in California, a gun must be on the DOJ "list of approved handguns".

If (hypothetically) there is only one gun on that list, and you already have one or more of that one, are you likely to buy more?

There are, for now, more than that on the list. But it still has its effect, since I don't *want* every gun on the list, and I do have one of the ones I want.

So I have to wait until either more guns get put on the list, or the list concept is voted out of California (thought I needed to inject some humor into my response there), or I leave the PRK.

[Valkman]

I hadn't bought a gun in some time until recently, but it had nothing to do with the laws. I went on disability and had alot of problems just moving around and had to forget about shooting for a while. :) I went in two days before the AWB went into effect and bought a Pro Ordnance Carbon-15 pistol just to have it.

Now I've known for a while that I'd be moving to Vegas I've been trying to wait until we get there to buy with no waiting period and less hassles. I did buy a Mil-Spec in July at Wild Sports in Sac and it was hour-and-a-half ordeal - argh.

First stop once we get to Vegas - Discount Firearms in Henderson for a SP101 for the wife and a TLE II for me. :D

[Crimper-D]

The paperwork on the handgun was a timeeating PITA, the 'Fee' had increased, and the whole transaction was the first time ever that I've had a gunstore clerk _apologizing_ to me repeatedly during the whole silly state-mandated drill. This purchase was a used weapon in the heart of the Sillyycone Valley... Price wasn't bad, Bluebook range.
The number of state regulations and the hassel of complying with them is driving some gunshops out of the handgun market entirely = just too much hassel to dot the "i's"& Cross the "T's" and took up too much of the counterhelps time from more profitable less convoluted transactions, like selling dryflys and canoes:rolleyes:
One store, A Big5, stopped selling longarms because of the time involved in having one of their shoeclerks filling out all those forms (often incorrectly) for the low profit margin involved. One really old Sporting Goods dealer in the area got rid of their handgun stock for the same reason but still sell long guns.
What the legislature in this state can't complicate out of existance, the beancounters will!:banghead: :cuss: :fire:

[Standing Wolf]

The longer I lived in the People's Republic of California, the fewer guns I bought: too many hidden expenses, too few choices, too much red tape, and no way to so-called "import" high quality older firearms found on the internet.

The loss of my First, Second, and Fouth Amendment civil rights was one of the main reasons I left the P.R.C. over a year ago to return to the United States.

[kalibear45]

The only thing stopping me from buying more guns is the money I don't have :D

[XxAR10xX]

I haven't bought anything since the 2000 ban, except for a ruger 10/22. The reason I haven't really made any major purchases is because I have a weird fascination for evil black detachable mag pistol grip rifles. No assault rifles here, means no purchases for me. :(

[Topgun]

there is now a 10 day wait on ...opinions.

:cuss:

[Number 6]

I buy as many firearms as I would in any other state, the only thing holding me back from buying more is my bank account.

[Skunkabilly]

I thought (hearsay) that Californians are buying more handguns than ever now?

[Destructo6]

I haven't purchased any pistols since before 2000. That's not completely because of the new laws, but because I value long guns quite a bit more and the pistols that I have should get the job done if needed.

As for long guns, I've pretty much done as before. Really, I've bought a few in order to use up ammo originally purchased for rifles that I sent out of state (eg SKS to shoot up AK ammo) or bought as a substitute (shotgun).

The slowdown, if there is indeed one, may also be attributed to the rush just before every ban. For instance, my brother in law, who I never thought of as a gunner, bought a pistol right before the last one.

[CWL]

Handgun sales are down overall because there were 'runs on guns' in CA and other parts in the past several years. Prior sales were way up because of gun-ban fears, Y2K, 9/11. This was true even though many gun shops have closed down in CA. Such prior high numbers of sales are impossible to continue forever. Things are a bit calmer right now in addition to the sour economy.

Remember that CA accounts for (or used to) account for roughly 1/3 of ALL gun sales in the USA. It might be down from this, but sales hereabouts still help keep gunmakers in business as well as help subsidize prices for all y'all other 49 states.

[PlayTheAces]

Hmmm. I'm not sure.

There're hundreds on current production guns on the Cal DOJ list, so if there were any out there I wanted, buying them wouldn't present a problem.

Where it's probably impacted me is purchasing older out of production guns. Dealers don't stock them, so you have to find a private party and go through a dealer for the transfer. Makes things more of a challenge.

In truth, I've got most of the models I want. There are a few wheel guns I'd pick up if the opportunity came along and the price was right, but nothing I'm laying awake at night wishing I had.

My collection is now static, unless something new comes out I just gotta have. But that would pretty much be the case regardless of where I lived. Not buying, not selling. Just shooting.

[sidearm]

Since the 2000 ban- I've only purchased a SP-101. But that's in part because I was sick of the political climate here and was hell bent on leaving. I was more focused on finding work elsewhere. Finally got my priorities in line - believe me, sunshine is not worth it. It recently paid off for my family though as now we're going to be leaving for Charlotte NC w/in a month-:D

[Abenaki]

California is broke. So what do they do? Pass more regulations to make gun sales harder, which closes gunshops and fewer flolks buy guns and ammo........so in the end you have fewer jobs and less taxes.

It is like watching some thing being flushed down the toilet!

I was born and raised in California.........I remember when it was a great place.

Abenaki

[Maxinquaye]

I pretty much stopped buying guns after they passed the new laws. If I were staying, I'd probably still be buying. But freedom is less then a year away for me (relocating in April), and I can wait that long.

[jims98z28]

Well, I just got into guns 3 months ago. I now have 2 guns and 1 on the way.
There are 2 things that slow (not stop) my purchasing. The first being the price of guns in Cali and the second being that you can only buy 1 gun every 30 days. PURE BS if you ask me

[gobabygo]

I'm very much in the same boat as you jims98z28. I finally just got into guns a few months ago and now have 1 pistol (1911) and 2 rifles (SKS and FAL).

BTW, it's 1 handgun in 30 days. You can buy as many rifles as you want. Also, in-state PPT on a handgun doesn't count towards that 1 in 30.

For me, I really wanted an AR15 and a long dust cover SVI/STI. Instead of the SVI/STI I found the Springfield TRP Operator. I'm still trying to find a CA legal substitute for an AR15, and am thinking of getting a FAL converted to .223.

[4v50 Gary]

I'm buying less because I have no space in the safe. It doesn't help that some guns aren't submitted for the "drop" test either. :(

[BunsenH]

Still buying here. I tend to buy out of spite though. Whenever a new law is enacted, I start itching to buy a new gun. It's probably not healthy but I do a lot of things like that out of spite.

[El Rojo]

The reason I haven't bought any guns since April of last year is because I bought a house in May of last year. That is the only reason. If I had the money, I would pluck down the money for one of those PRK legal Yugo SKSs and probably another Swiss K-31. So if you are young and single buy all of the guns, reloading supplies, and accessories you can now. Once you buy a house and get married, you might have to wait a while until you can get the cash flow going again. Or just make more than the measly salary I get a year. Sure glad I am taking full advantage of that UCLA degree right now!

[Bostonterrier97]

It is hard to say...while there has been a decrease in handgun sales due to the extra paperwork and the approved handgun list and the resultant hidden costs..

Most guns that are purchased are NOT first time buys..the customer buying a new (or used) gun already has one at home.

In the future I can see how many new households would be affected by Kali's Gun Control Laws. At least in terms of legal purchases/transfers.

As for illegal possession of firearms by prohibited persons...the gun control laws have very little effect.

[QuarterBoreGunner]

I've been buying at probably the same rate as before the ban; just concentrating on rifles and mainly via the 'net.

Truthfully, as handguns go, there's nothing on the current 'approved list' :rolleyes: that I'm interested in.

The biggest effect the handgun approval process has had is that I can no longer pick up the odd older handgun; and I'm a big collector of Smith & Wesson revolvers *sigh* no more minty Model 57s or 29s.

[SIGarmed]

Get a load of this. Come a couple of years from now you practically won't be able to buy a pistol in California!

The liberal run state is going down the crapper.
SB 489(Sen. Scott a Democrat...surprise) passed through the Assembly Appropriations Committee.
What this bill will do when and if it gets to the governor and he signs it is stop all pistol sales and add them to the so called "unsafe" handguns list (really an attempt at a de facto a handgun ban) if they don't have a chamber load indicator by 2005. I beleive the bill may have been amended to have this take place in 2006.
Fellow Californians you better hope that this bill somehow doesn't get signed. How many handguns in California that are on the approved list have chamber load indicators? A few maybe.

How many gun makers will even stick with California since its being run by a bunch of socialist wacko's. So called "private party" sales that go through a FFL are expemt from this trash legislation since these guns are already here, but most desired pistols are not easy to find. The liberals are very creative about how they ban guns.
I'm trying to buy any gun that I want now before the time comes that we practically can't buy anymore. I pray to God that the next governor doesn't sign this trash.

[BunsenH]

I hope SB 489 doesn't get to Davis's desk. At this point he'll sign anything to get the liberals back on his side before the recall election. If he's recalled, how long will he have to screw things up before his signature doesn't mean anything?

[QuarterBoreGunner]

BunsenH- that's a disturbing idea; and an entirely plausible one unfortunately...

[Malone LaVeigh]

Sales are down for lots of things. We're in a recession, if not technically it sure seems that way for a lot of folks.