Can I buy a long gun out of state?


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Magic_Man
May 15, 2008, 02:03 PM
I've searched & didn't see anything pertaining to NJ.

I know I can't buy a pistol out of state, but can I buy a long gun in PA, DE or MD & bring it home to NJ or would I have to have it shipped to a FFL in NJ?

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Dbl0Kevin
May 15, 2008, 02:12 PM
You have it backwards. You cannot buy a pistol out of state. Any handguns must be shipped to an FFL in your state and transferred from there.

You CAN buy a rifle or shotgun from another state BUT you must follow the laws of BOTH states. This means that you need to bring with you your NJ FID card along with the Certificate of Eligibility since no out of state dealer will have that form.

Magic_Man
May 15, 2008, 02:29 PM
Nope, don't have it backwards. Reread my post. I said I know I CAN'T buy a pistol out of state. ;)

I just need the COE form? Cool.


Does anyone know if I can buy from PA, DE or MD though? I live in NJ.

Dbl0Kevin
May 15, 2008, 02:57 PM
My fault I must have misread. You can buy from PA as I have done that when I used to live in NJ.

Car Knocker
May 15, 2008, 03:55 PM
A little clarification on a point. There is no federal law precluding one from buying a handgun from out of state. However, the handgun must be transferred to the buyer by an FFL in the buyers home state.

NavyLCDR
May 15, 2008, 06:23 PM
A little clarification on a point. There is no federal law precluding one from buying a handgun from out of state. However, the handgun must be transferred to the buyer by an FFL in the buyers home state.

That is correct, however the question was specifically asked about long guns.

Car Knocker
May 15, 2008, 07:34 PM
I was responding to this comment:
I said I know I CAN'T buy a pistol out of state.;)

everallm
May 15, 2008, 07:52 PM
What is the Certificate of Eligibility, the only requirements in NJ for a purchase of a pistol is the FID and the Permit to Purchase.

geekWithA.45
May 15, 2008, 10:46 PM
As an NJ resident, you can buy an NJ legal longarm from an FFL in another state.

That FFL will observe fedlaw, the law of the state he's in, and NJ law. (Which means you have to have your FID, etc)

Most PA FFLs are familiar with NJ law, and have no problems with such transactions, I used to buy rifles in PA when I lived in NJ all the time.

The certificate of eligibility is a form that is filled out by the buyer, and given to the seller, who keep it on file. The theory is that this is the seller's paper trail to show that he lawfully sold/disposed of the long gun, that he saw your FID, and so on.

GRIZ22
May 15, 2008, 10:53 PM
The only states you can't buy a long gun in are those that prohibit sales of firearms to out of state folks. The only two states that have such a law I can recall are NJ and OH. You have to be a resident to buy any firearm. A NJ resident can buy in PA but a PA resident can't buy in NJ.

As Geek said the FFL will follow all laws of his state, the purchaser's state, and federal laws. You can't go to PA and buy a rifle that would be catergorized as an assault weapon in NJ.

Magic_Man
May 15, 2008, 10:54 PM
So I can drive oer to PA, buy a gun and drive home w/the gun instad of having to have it shipped to a FFL in NJ? Awesome

Magic_Man
May 15, 2008, 10:55 PM
GRIz, are you saying I can't go to PA & buy & drive home w/it or are you saying someone that is not an NJ resident can't come to NJ, buy a gun & drive home with it?

Hanzerik
May 15, 2008, 11:16 PM
When I was stationed in NJ, I went to gun shows over in PA frequently and bought rifles and brought them back. Like another poster said; Most PA FFLs are familiar with what they can and can't sell to NJ residents so you usually won't have any legality issues with what you buy.

geekWithA.45
May 16, 2008, 09:02 AM
Magic_Man, griz is saying that you can't buy what NJ defines as an assault weapon and bring it back.

The chances of you actually being able to buy what NJ defines as an assault weapon is zero, so you really don't have to worry about bringing that back.

Anything else you can just toss into your trunk and bring home.

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The other thing he's talking about is that there's a few states whose state law won't allow the sale of guns to out of staters. NJ is one of them. As a result, I, a citizen of PA, can't go to NJ to buy a longarm.

burk
May 16, 2008, 10:17 PM
Griz, Your incorrect about OH. I just purchased an AR 15 from one of their larger dealers. I looked it up on line, it is legal as long as your from an adjoining state.

GRIZ22
May 16, 2008, 10:44 PM
I looked it up on line, it is legal as long as your from an adjoining state.

Thanx for the clarification. My statement was based on the fact I am not from a state ajoining Ohio.

brickeyee
May 18, 2008, 04:59 PM
The 'adjoining state' laws MAY still be in effect at the state level, but Federal law allows you to purchase long guns in ANY state as long as all the rules of the buyers state AND sellers state are followed.

another okie
May 18, 2008, 09:49 PM
Just to clarify, federal law only allows you to buy a long gun from a licensed dealer in another state. You cannot buy a long gun from a private individual in another state. 18 U.S.C. 922 (a) (5). I know this contradicts the common belief on this point, but that's what it says.

"It shall be unlawful for any person (other than a ...licensed dealer) to transfer, sell... any firearm to any person...who the transferor knows...does not reside in the State..."

There are two separate provisions at work here.

There is a general prohibition on transfers to non-residents by anyone except licensed dealers, 922 (a) (5).

Then there is a separate clause prohibiting licensed dealers them from doing it unless it is a long gun, is face to face, and is legal under the laws of the transferor's state and the transferee's state. 18 U.S.C. 922 (b).

Be careful out there.

newman32
May 20, 2008, 08:25 AM
Hey, this is cool! Any decent gun shops in the I80 or I78 areas of PA for another Jersey guy to check out? I'm looking around for a Saiga. Also, this Certificate of Eligibility is provided by the dealer? I've never seen one.

LostinJersey
May 20, 2008, 11:23 AM
The NJSP web site has the form. It is the form you fill out every time you buy a gun in NJ from a FFL. I don't know if the form has to be filled out by a Non-NJ FFL dealer if I buy a rifle from them.

http://www.njsp.org/about/firearms.html

I was told by an FFL that all I need to buy a rifle or shootgun in PA would be my NJ DL and my FOID. That was from the guys at Sarco.

The above link also has the laws and the NJ attonery general directive on the colt match target rifle and the MIA not being assult weapons, transporting firearms through NJ (18 U.S.C.A 926A) and the dreaded hollowpoints.

627PCFan
May 20, 2008, 06:02 PM
Yeah, dont bother coming into MD for guns of any kind. Might as well go to the North Pole to get a suntan.

zoom6zoom
May 21, 2008, 05:53 PM
The only two states that have such a law I can recall are NJ and OH.
I don't believe the adjoining state part either, as i purchased a rifle on my trip through Ohio last month with a Virginia ID.

Toten Kopf
May 22, 2008, 08:58 PM
As a Wyoming resident, I tried to purchase a rifle in Ohio, and was told "NO". Only if I lived in an adjoining state.

NavyLCDR
May 23, 2008, 10:30 AM
As a Wyoming resident, I tried to purchase a rifle in Ohio, and was told "NO". Only if I lived in an adjoining state.

That is because of Ohio state law.

I don't believe the adjoining state part either, as i purchased a rifle on my trip through Ohio last month with a Virginia ID.

This would appear to be in violation of Ohio state laws.

2923.22 Interstate transactions in firearms.
(A) Any resident of Ohio age eighteen or over, and not prohibited by section 2923.13 or 2923.15 of the Revised Code or any applicable law of another state or the United States from acquiring or using firearms, may purchase or obtain a rifle, shotgun, or ammunition therefor in Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan, Pennsylvania, or West Virginia.

(B) Any resident of Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan, Pennsylvania, or West Virginia, age eighteen or over, and not prohibited by section 2923.13 or 2923.15 of the Revised Code or the laws of his domicile or the United States from acquiring or using firearms, may purchase or obtain a rifle, shotgun, or ammunition therefor in Ohio.

(C) Any purchase and sale pursuant to this section shall be for such purposes and under such circumstances and upon such conditions as are prescribed by the “Gun Control Act of 1968,” 82 Stat. 1213, 18 U.S.C. 922(b)(3), and any amendments or additions thereto or reenactments thereof.

Michael_2112
May 23, 2008, 11:00 AM
Newman32: The only shop in the area I've seen Saiga's at recently is Weaver's Guns in Brodheadsville, PA. It's about 25 minutes from the Delaware Water Gap. Other shops to check out in the area include: Dunkleburgers (Stroudsburg,Pa), American Shooting Supply (Brodheadsville, Pa), Army Navy (Whitehall, PA).

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