[Famaldehide Face]

Can anyone here ID this SMG?, It is Australian but i cannot find the designation for it.

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/8472/weirdsmgaq6.jpg

Original Source: http://www.gun-world.net/

[N1150X]

It looks like a modified German Grease gun but I have no real idea just.... you get the point
http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/uniforms4/US-82nd-Grease-Gun.jpg

[SDC]

Ditto; I don't think this one was ever adopted, but it shares the basic design with the M3, and the molded stock and furniture with the Owen.

[Bartkowski]

How are you supposed to shoulder that thing?

[highorder]

It looks easy to shoulder using a "high head" like older American shotguns.

[jlbraun]

Looks like something you'd find on the set of Firefly.

"I call her Vera."

[Owlnmole]

If a real gun and not a prop or mock-up, my guess is that it's definitely Australian, probably an experimental Owen Mark II variant.

It seems to be basically a rearrangement of the Owen parts into a more conventional layout, and probably lighter because the receiver looks shorter. It eliminates the primary disadvantage of the Owen -- that awkward, top-mounted magazine that blocks the shooters view and requires offset sights.

It also gives up the primary advantage of the Owen -- that same awkward, top-mounted magazine that allows easy-to-load magazine springs (gravity is your friend), and the bottom ejection which helped keep the gun clean and jam free and made it pretty much ambidextrous.

Here's a link a more Owen-like experimental Owen Mark II (http://cas.awm.gov.au/TST2/cas_disp_pkg.pr_detailed_scr?surl=183291821ZZZLAOVHEVSOM&acid=2000&pi_query_id=15199872&pi_umo_id=720749&ps_selected_coll=ALL&ps_view_type=BRIEF&current_page_number=1&ps_access_level=Public) that was not adopted.

That link expired, apparently, because of the way their database works. It's from the Australian War Memorial (http://www.awm.gov.au) and their Collections Database (http://cas.awm.gov.au/). Lots of good info on Owen guns, Evelyn Owen, pics of the Owen gun in the field, etc.

[Jim Watson]

Considering that site is in some sort of oriental henscratching I would suspect it of being a dummy for sale to people in a repressive jurisdiction.

[Owlnmole]

Here is the page that the pic came from: http://www.gun-world.net/australia/owen/owen.htm

And here is the page in English (thanks to Google Translate): http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gun-world.net%2Faustralia%2Fowen%2Fowen.htm&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=zh-CN&tl=en

The caption to the pic in question reads, according to Google Translate, "1944 trial for a bomb beneath Owen submachine gun, Lithgow museum." Since I don't see an underbarrel grenade launcher, I'll assume that "bomb beneath" means "bottom-mounted magazine."

This is acually a very comprehensive page. Max P., you may have a competitor if they put up an English (or Russian) version. :D

[max popenker]

Max P., you may have a competitor if they put up an English (or Russian) version
Ownmole, the Chinanet is the thing in itself ;) furthermore, more than few articles on gun-world.net site have references to my own site ;)
And, finally, the more fair competitors (by fair i mean that they have original texts, not some copy&paste) - the better. Makes me wanting to update my own site more often, and with better stuff ;) ;)

[Owlnmole]

Hehe, wondered if Max was paying attention... :D

[Kellhound]

Could it be that magazine well could rotate to make transport easier and more compact, and as a safety device?
I think there was some other SMG with that same feature.

[rcmodel]

I would be unheard of for a WWII gun to be spray-painted with glossy camo finish. Or any other camo finish like this one.

Looks like a modern mock-up, prop, or dummy gun to me.

rcmodel

[SDC]

The cocking handle, paint job and furniture are the same as on an Owen gun that I've fired.

[Zoogster]

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