Which 9mm & which .22 pistol?


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Magic_Man
May 22, 2008, 01:05 PM
I'll be looking to buy 1 of each in the near future. I currently have a M&P .40 I love the M&P and would grab the 9mm version, but want to try something different.

I'd like to keep each one under $400.

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Deer Hunter
May 22, 2008, 01:06 PM
CZ75 with a kadet kit!

lions
May 22, 2008, 01:11 PM
Taurus PT92

Rex B
May 22, 2008, 01:19 PM
Browning Buckmark for the .22
HiPower clone for the 9mm. If you can find a Charles Daly still in stock, they are a good deal.

Get the HP and buy a Ciener .22 kit and you have both.

robctwo
May 22, 2008, 01:24 PM
CZ 75 and Kadet Kit.

Pilot
May 22, 2008, 01:29 PM
Another vote for any CZ-75 variant and the Kadet Kit!

MCgunner
May 22, 2008, 01:31 PM
I LOVE the Ruger Mk 2 I bought at a gun show the other day, $275 and included a 2x scope and mount. Thing is so much fun, I've been making range trips twice a week. :D Burned up a thousand rounds in it in a couple of weeks so far. Flawless and accurate as hell.

I also own a P85 Ruger and like it for a big wondernine type gun, but never carry the thing. I have a Kel Tec P11 for carry. But, for a range nine, the Ruger is 100 percent reliable and accurate enough, though not what I'd call a tack driver. I've looked at the CZs. I may get a compact CZ 9 or maybe 40 in the future. I like the prices and they get great kudos from owners.

There are lots of great nines, hard to choose, just look for a deal on one you think you'd like. But, I don't think you can go wrong with a Ruger .22. They just simply work. The one thing I don't like about 'em is field stripping. I haven't done that, yet. From all reports it's a pain, but from all reports, just cleaning it assembled, it doesn't complain and so far mine doesn't.

Z-Michigan
May 22, 2008, 01:38 PM
Springfield XD9, Glock 17 or 19, or any of the Ruger 9mm's.

Ruger Mark II or Mark III, or 22/45, for the .22 pistol.

Samuel Adams
May 22, 2008, 01:39 PM
CZ75 with a kadet kit!
+1

viking499
May 22, 2008, 01:40 PM
Another vote for CZ and Kadet

kentucky_smith
May 22, 2008, 02:02 PM
Or if you want to save a few bucks, an EAA Witness and a Conversion kit.

http://shop.reedsammo.com/product.sc?categoryId=117&productId=285

http://shop.reedsammo.com/product.sc?categoryId=41&productId=557

MCgunner
May 22, 2008, 02:09 PM
Me, I'd much rather have another gun than a conversion kit, which may or may not work or be accurate. I can guarantee you, a Ruger or a Buckmark will be both. I just ain't into conversion kits, never was, never will be. Of course, I handload for cheaper than I can buy a box of CCI minimag, so hey, cost of ammo is not a concern for me. I can shoot 9 cheaper than CCI, approaching 2 dollars per 50 casting my own bullets from range scrap. Got a box of CCI minimag the other day, over SIX BUCKS! :eek: I can still get lightening for 13 dollars per 550 pack, though.

GZOh
May 22, 2008, 02:32 PM
The CZ-75B and the CZ .22 Kadet (and NOT the kit)... "The hell with the money"... its YOUR happiness, enjoy the BEST... you'll NEVER regret it!!

wow6599
May 22, 2008, 02:58 PM
Kel-Tec P11 for your 9mm ($250) and a Walther P22 for your .22lr ($275).

MCgunner
May 22, 2008, 04:18 PM
I guess the words "Kadet Kit" through me. Was thinking conversion.

Confederate
May 22, 2008, 09:19 PM
I think everyone on the planet should have at least one Ruger Mark II/III. Having a "kit" is one thing. Having two separate guns with two different feels to it is the only way to go.

The Ruger doesn't need a thorough break down cleaning after each shooting, though some people do this. It's as dependable as a .22LR can be and will last many, many years. I have a 7-inch target pistol and a 4 3/4-inch fixed sight, which is a gem. I also have an AMT varient of this gun and consider that one of the best bangs for the buck, ever.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/jriler/RugerMarkII_7-1.jpg

Regarding the 9mm, just pick the one you like best. Between the top tier models, there's very little difference in reliability or longevity. I have a S&W 659 and a 20-round magazine. The steel frame ensures incredible longevity and I've seen some primo models that go for almost nothing. The 5906 is great, too, but I'm not as fond of its grips being an integral part of the gun itself (i.e., being the receiver for the mainspring). Still, that's a minor criticism. If you're into the "plastic" thing, I'd look at the XD or the Glock. I also very much like the Beretta and the Sig 226. It's just so hard to go wrong with today's models.

http://navyphotos.togetherweserved.com/777846.jpg

RonE
May 23, 2008, 12:23 AM
I think that you are placing severe limits on yourself by looking for two guns out of thousands available. And then seeking advice from people that don't know you or your needs. Most of the fun of gun ownership is buying and shooting a gun. Buy it, shoot it, shoot it some more and then if you like it, keep it and start looking for something else. If you like it a lot, look for another one or more of the same thing. If you don't like it, sell it and look for something else...so what if you loose a few dollars or make a few dollars, that isn't what it is about, it is about having some serious fun, shooting well and feeling secure about your self and your family.

9mm and .22 are great guns to have because they are relatively inexpensive to shoot, and the more you shoot, the better you get, the more guns you look at and buy, the more you shoot......So, look at it as a quest to be a better person, a better shot and a passion for serious fun....Above all, take the advice given freely here but keep in mind, that only you can decide which gun you are going to like and want to keep, which you are going to love and want more and which you are going to dislike and want to get rid of.

In time, when someone offers you a gun that you don't particularly want, or don't want at all, you will know the vlaue of it to be $40.... Giving $40 for a gun that functions as designed even though you don't want it will probably turn out to be a good investment, good trading material or a good gift.

Good luck in your quest!

glockman19
May 23, 2008, 12:42 AM
For me it's a Glock 17/19/26 or 34 and for a .22 it's a Ruger Hunter

aquapong
May 23, 2008, 12:59 AM
You can find quality .22 pistols for $300 or less, which would give you a little more for your 9mm. For $400ish, you can buy a Sig P225/P6, Glock 17 or 19, Smith and Wesson 910 or 5906, or a Beretta 92fs all used. Check out www.summitgunbroker.com or www.cdnninvestments.com and download the catalog.

LUPUS
May 23, 2008, 06:59 AM
CZ75 with a kadet kit!

+6

mattk
May 23, 2008, 08:25 AM
I say Browning BuckMark and Browning HiPower.

Magic_Man
May 23, 2008, 11:17 AM
I'm not opposed to buying used or out of production firearms.

Magic_Man
May 23, 2008, 11:18 AM
Leaning toward the S&W 22A or Mark II for the .22 so far.

passintime
May 23, 2008, 11:23 AM
Ruger will blow that S&W out of the water.

Magic_Man
May 23, 2008, 11:24 AM
care to elaborate passintime?

passintime
May 23, 2008, 11:27 AM
Well, truthfully, it is all about your personal feel. When it comes down to it, Ruger and Browning, in my opinion, hold the market on .22s. For the money you will get a shooter that will far outlive you, will be beautiful, and accurate.

MCgunner
May 23, 2008, 12:09 PM
Well, mine sure shoots good! $275 for this rig, scope and all.

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh305/goose150/PICT0226.jpg

I've always loved the Lugeresque grip angle of the Mk Rugers. Man, feels nice in the hand. :D I'm not really into the 22/45, but it's an option for the 1911 lovers if you don't like the angled grip frames of the older style guns.

Steve C
May 23, 2008, 12:50 PM
I've owned both the Ruger and Browning Buckmark. Don't have the Ruger any more but have 2 Brownings, a standard Field and a Target version I use for Bullseye. The Ruger is a fine pistol but I liked the Buckmark more.

I own a variety of 9mm's. The Glock 19 would be the last one I'd get rid of as IMO its the best gun for self defense carry that has a combination of "right" size (not too big and not to small), along with good power, extreem reliability, and round capacity. Its not the nicest pistol but its the most useful.

For a range gun there's a lot of good ones out there. You can't go wrong with a Beretta, Sig, Browning, HK, FN, or CZ. For a better price point the S&W 5906 used, the Taurus PT92 or one of their 24/7's

welldoya
May 23, 2008, 02:57 PM
For the .22 if you want a really nice gun, find a used Colt Woodsman. Barring that, I own several Ruger MKlls and they are nice. I like the stainless bull barrel (kmk512). I also like the Ruger Single Six but it's a single action.
As far as the 9mm, I can recommend the Glock 19, the CZ75 or the BHP.
I've heard good things about the Springfield XD and the S&W M&P also but I have no experience with them.

GingerGuy
May 23, 2008, 04:07 PM
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm157/GingerGuy_photos/Springfield%20Armory/522017.jpg
That's an easy question, I'd go with the Springfield EMP and


http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm157/GingerGuy_photos/Ruger/MarkII005-1.jpg
a Ruger Mark II. I picked this one up with a holster for $200.

jdc1244
May 23, 2008, 04:13 PM
Yet another vote for the CZ75 with a Kadet kit.

c1ogden
May 23, 2008, 08:47 PM
Magic Man -
As always, try before you buy! Rent or borrow a variety to see which you like best.

That being said, I love my Browning HiPower but its the 9mm Kahr K9 that goes everywhere that I go. Both are excellent guns!

As for a .22, I love my Colt Peacemakers and my Smith M34 and M63 (J frames) as well as the M18 (K frame).

All are outstanding guns!

Magic_Man
May 23, 2008, 09:27 PM
Any opinions on the Kel-Tec P-11?

Sans Authoritas
May 23, 2008, 09:36 PM
CZ-75 with Kadet Kit.

-Sans Authoritas

Harley Quinn
May 23, 2008, 10:34 PM
Seperate guns is the way to go, none of the kits that fit later are as accurate as that little Ruger.

I shoot a Glock mdl 17 L and std slide also have an AA 22 Kit that is nice but it won't hold the group that Rugar will.

:)

Poor East Texan
May 23, 2008, 10:48 PM
My .22 pistol is a stainless heavy barrel Ruger 22/45. I had to put a "good" extractor in it and now it'll eat most anything. Originally Stingers were the only thing reliable.

I've always wanted a CZ75. I have an Airsoft version that feels dreamy!

I OWN Astra A80 and S&W 469 however.

Confederate
May 23, 2008, 10:49 PM
I also had a Buck a long time ago. It was a good quality gun, but the value of a Ruger is not only in its accuracy, but in the fact that it was the first .22 auto that was made to last several lifetimes. I had a nice little Smith 41 that a friend hounded me out of...had a nice front sight that would extend out in front of the muzzle for added sight radius. It was a very nice gun, too, but it wasn't in the Ruger's ball park for longevity. In fact, the Rugers were very popular in South Africa and Rhodesia back when government sactions were in effect against those countries. The reason was that spare parts were rarely, if ever, needed. Ruger builds their parts oversize and the little automatics just couldn't be beat...literally. They're the Energizer Bunny of the .22LR gun world.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/jriler/Rugers_MkII_SS_3.jpg

I also have to say that I love my Ruger Single-Six. Both are outstanding. But again, each person brings their own preferences, so advice will be as different as shooters.

Phydeaux642
May 23, 2008, 10:53 PM
That's an easy question, I'd go with the Springfield EMP

Let me know where I can pick up an EMP for $400 and I'll take a dozen.:neener:

Any opinions on the Kel-Tec P-11?

I would try like the dickens to shoot this one before you buy. It fits my hand to where it just kills my thumb between the two joints when I shoot it. I can't seem to find a comfortable way to hold it. I'm still pretty accurate with it, though.

1SOW
May 24, 2008, 01:59 AM
S&W Model 41 .22 : Not only a shooter but beeeautiful.
Cz75 SPOI 9mm

ZombiesAhead
May 24, 2008, 03:26 AM
That's a rather low budget. If you're looking for new guns, I like something reliable for my 9mm (assuming it will be used for protection) and a "fun" .22lr (assuming that will be a practice/range gun).

I own all the guns I recommend.

Overbudget Choice:
-9mm Glock (G19 for day-to-day concealment/any-purpose; G17 for range gun/occasional concealment/any-purpose)
-.22lr Walter P22 or CZ Kadet (full-pistol version, non conversion version of Kadet Kit converted CZ-75, see below)

Budget Choice:
-9mm CZ-75 (SP101 is the same size as larger Glock, the G17; P01(?) is the G19-size version (not sure?))
-.22lr CZ Kadet conversion kit - you replace the slide on you CZ-75 and in under a minute you have a .22lr handgun with similar ergonomics to your carry-gun

CZ-75 (SP-01)
-larger, great balance, heavier, has a hammer/regular safety but can also be bought with de-cocker
-night sights, more gun for less money
CZ-75 P-01 (whatever their carry CZ-75 is)
-don't own it and thus don't know enough to comment
CZ-75 Kadet Conversion Kit
-comes with a new slide, new magazines
-must file a little off the slide to make it fit properly (this is normal)
-feels like your carry 9mm CZ-75
CZ-75 plus Kadet Kit Conversion is right around your budget ($800)

Walter P22
-less reliable than Kadet Kit, needs more cleaning, more close-tolerance moving parts, it seems
-lighter, smaller, but great ergonomics - a great gun to hold and despite being small the sight radius is good and it still feels/looks sort of like a smaller semi-auto
-comes with threaded barrel for the .22lr suppressor

Glocks
-both ultra-reliable, AK-47-like ease-of-cleaning (you will damage it more by cleaning every trip than leaving it alone for hundreds upon hundreds of rounds)
-G19 can be a daily-carry gun even with a t-shirt, etc; nice and light
-G17 is nice, heavier, good as a range gun like the CZ-75 SP101
-G17 is a little big to conceal (like the CZ-75 SP101) but do-able
-no manual safety (neither on the de-cocker CZ-75) so you have to keep your finger out of the trigger-guard, and don't try to catch it when you drop it
-CZ has a manual safety which is nice for light trigger pull, but really offers no more advantage than peace-of-mind for those who (for better or for worse) don't quite trust themselves

(prices are off the top of my head, ballparked)
CZ-75 SP01 - ~$550
http://www.cz-usa.com/data/productimg/main073.png
CZ Kadet Kit Conversion ($300) (?)
Glock 17/Glock 19 - ~$600 (G19 in picture)
http://www.glockfaq.com/images/guide/g19.jpg
http://www.wolfarmouries.co.uk/airsoft/bb/bin/image-lib/products/KSCG19METV.jpg
Walter P22 - ~350
http://www.weaponryonline.com/images/reviews/guns/walther-p22/walther-p22.jpg

MCgunner
May 24, 2008, 12:58 PM
Quote:
Any opinions on the Kel-Tec P-11?
I would try like the dickens to shoot this one before you buy. It fits my hand to where it just kills my thumb between the two joints when I shoot it. I can't seem to find a comfortable way to hold it. I'm still pretty accurate with it, though.

I absolutely LOVE mine. I can put a couple hundred through it in a session no problem, pussycat. +P stuff kicks a little, but WWB is nothin', but budda. :D But, a lot of folks don't like the trigger. I do, for pocket carry, very safe, very smooth, very easy to shoot accurately once you master it.

For a range gun, in 9mm, I'd pick a bigger gun, a DA gun. But, for carry, for me, it don't get no better than the P11. It's light, small, accurate, ready to go DA, no safeties, and with high firepower in a service caliber. It's small, but it ain't no mouse gun.

Cliff47
May 24, 2008, 02:17 PM
Another for the CZ75 and the Kadet conversion unit.

A few years ago, at a local gun show, I found a CZ Kadet unit on a CZ85 frame that the vendor was selling for 20% off the marked price. To say that I scarfed that rascal up in a flat second is an understatement. I still feel like I stole it! Now I'm looking for one of the FirePoint sights to put on the unit (just for the, well you know, because I can).

golden
May 24, 2008, 04:13 PM
I shoot both a WALTHER P-99 in 9m.m. and a P-22 in .22lr.

I also like the BERETTA 92 Centurion with the old Belgium made BROWNING Challenger.

Jim

Magic_Man
May 24, 2008, 05:23 PM
I held a Taurus 24/7, Glock 17 & Glock 19 today. The 19 was too bulky, the 24/7 felt ok & the 17 felt pretty good in my hand.

jimk66
May 24, 2008, 06:24 PM
Ruger MKII or III for your 22lr.
HK P7M8 or P7 for your 9mm

JimK

Lashlarue
May 24, 2008, 06:45 PM
I have a P-11, compact reliable, lousy trigger but it goes bang everytime.But then again all DAO pistols have lousy triggers...

MCgunner
May 24, 2008, 10:38 PM
CNN just showed some car dealer offering a free pistol with the purchase of a car. They showed the gun, a Kel Tec 9. :D So, maybe if ya need a car.........

Squidward
May 24, 2008, 10:50 PM
Ruger MKII or III for your 22lr
Glock 17L or 34 for your 9mm

Mr_Rogers
May 25, 2008, 10:45 AM
If the intent is to have an economical to shoot practice pistol that is similar to your main item this works well and is very cost effective.

A friend and I both use Sig P228s. We have got ourselves a backlog of wives and relatives wanting to learn to shoot. Up until now we have been using my wood-gripped Walther PPK 22 as an introductory firearm but I am getting a bit concerned about the number of rounds and the general wear and tear that is being caused on the Walther.

We will be recommending that the new shooters buy some version of the Sig 9mm so I bought a Mosquito to replace the Walther for basic training.

So far this has worked well. The Mosquito is very close in operation to the full-size pistols and it has a size and weight that makes it feel more like the real thing. Trigger is not great but despite this accuracy is good. Of the first 20 rounds I put through the pistol from 7 yards 10 could be covered by a quarter.

A Sig P6 and the Mosquito will cost about $550. My problem is talking my daughter out of choosing the Mosquito as a SD gun as she likes it so much.

jjadkins1
May 25, 2008, 11:28 AM
I have equal love for my PT 92 and my CZ 75. My M&P 9mm Compact and it's full size version will work it's way up to the top. Being a USAR officer, I have carried the M9 for a long time but I always long for days of my 1911 GI .45.

wingman
May 25, 2008, 11:31 AM
CZ75B/Ruger Mark 11, both accurate and reliable.

Ethics
May 25, 2008, 12:58 PM
Police trade in Glock 17 and a Ruger Single Action cowboy gun in .22

wow6599
May 27, 2008, 12:07 AM
A Kel-Tec P11 is not a target gun, or a fun gun to shoot for that matter - but it does its job. A small, reliable AMERICAN made 9mm with a lifetime warranty. It is a CCW - period. Accurate at about 10 yards. I also own a Walther P22. No FTF or FTE after only 60 rds, so who knows. The older Wathers did have problems, but they have been fixed. The Walther has a lifetime warranty through S&W and there is no better customer service than kel tec's. Check out www.ktog.org


Regard,
wow6599

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