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Papaster
May 22, 2008, 03:01 PM
Our military issues the Beretta M9 (92). Great Britain issues the Browning L9A1 (Hi-Power). Israel issues the IMI Jericho 941 (Baby Eagle). What are some other military issue firearms from around the world? It seems that steel or alloy framed pistols in 9mm are consistent issue arms. I know there was brief discussion of replacing the M9 for our military use, and the Air Force is still looking for something in 45acp to become their new issue sidearm even though the Army is no longer interested. I'm just curious what collective knowledge there is regarding choices of other countries. Are there no countries issuing the venerable Glock? I read somewhere that the CZ75 is the most issued pistol around the world among military & police units, but haven't actually read of any major military forces issuing this arm. I'm just curious what you all know? Any favorites & why? Anybody using any caliber besides 9x19 NATO? Oh, and what are non-NATO countries using?

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trillium
May 22, 2008, 03:20 PM
Jericho 941 SA issued in Israeli Police and Prison Service.

In the Military ( IDF) you my find :

High Power 9mm Mk3 in Military Police units and several Recon Companies.

Sig 226 and 228 in Recon Companies and SF units such Duvdevan or Oketz (K9).

Glock 17C MOD/Kav Daled model in elite units such Shayetet 13 (Naval Commandos) , Sayeret Matkal (elite LRRP unit ) etc.

Pilots issued with 228 or M16 Commando.

Z-Michigan
May 22, 2008, 03:24 PM
I think Austria issues the Glock as a military sidearm. If I remember correctly the Glock was originally developed and designed as a military sidearm.

Papaster
May 22, 2008, 03:33 PM
trillim, thanks for the info. I got some bad information. I did read that Glock is used among some elite units, as you said, but heard nothing about the Hi-Powers & Sigs being issued.

CWL
May 22, 2008, 03:52 PM
wiki is actually good for this type of reference questions.

Here's another good site: http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg00-e.htm

retgarr
May 22, 2008, 04:20 PM
Turkey uses a number of CZ75's or clones. It is also the issue sidearm for Iran. I think it's greatest use is by police. Brazil uses domestic built 1911's and beretta 92's in 9mm. The germans of cours have the USP. And the Russians have the Yarygin PYa with an extra powerful 9x19

legion3
May 22, 2008, 04:24 PM
Glock 17 or 19

Austria - as mentioned Called the P80 Service Pistol
India - regular army, police and SF
Indonesia - Army SF
Italy - Available to Army SF
Latvia - Regular Army
Lithuania
Maylaysia - Regular Navy
Netherlands - Regular Army
Norway - regular army
Sweden - Armed Forces

Afghanistan - Secondary weapons of the Afghan National Police.
Australia - Armament of certain Australian police forces. All Australian police services apart from the South Australian Police and Victoria Police use Glock pistols. A special Glock 17 outfitted with a M1911-style safety was designed specifically for the Tasmania Police.[21] Glocks are also issued to Australian Customs officers.[22]
Austria - P80 standard service pistol.
Belgium - Used by Belgian police.
Brazil - The Federal Police Department issues all agents graduating from the National Police Academy a Glock 17 or Glock 19 or Glock 26 according to the agent's preference.
Canada - Used by various police agencies in cities such as Toronto and Ottawa.
Ecuador - Issued to all National Police officers, as well as various special police units such as the GOE and GIR.
Finland - Used by Finnish police and border guard.
Germany - Various special units of the German Federal Police.
Iceland - Icelandic special forces, such as Víkingasveitin and ICRU.
India - Indian Army, special forces and Indian Police.
Indonesia - Used by Indonesian Army Kopassus.
Iraq - Iraqi security forces.
Israel - Glock 17s and Glock 19s are standard service pistols in certain Israeli military and paramilitary units (Yamam, Shayetet 13, Shabak, and private security firms) and remain popular pistols amongst Israeli citizens.
Italy - Glock 17s and Glock 19s are available to Italian special forces such as GIS, NOCS, "Col Moschin" Regiment, COMSUBIN, and to Intelligence and State Security personnel.
Latvia - Standard sidearm of the Latvian Military and police.
Lithuania - The Glock 17 is the standard sidearm of the Lithuanian Armed Forces.[23]
Malaysia - Mostly used by the Royal Malaysian Navy and Royal Malaysian Police (Pasukan Gerakan Khas).
The Netherlands - Standard sidearm of the Royal Netherlands Army.
New Zealand - The New Zealand Police carry the Glock 17 in situations where weapons are issued.
Northern Ireland - Used by Northern Irish police.
Norway - Issue pistol of the Norwegian Army.
Poland - Approx. 4,800 Glock 19 pistols acquired for the Polish police. The contract was awarded in 2007 and first deliveries were scheduled for October that same year.[24]
Sri Lanka - Sri Lanka Police.
Sweden - The Swedish Armed Forces use two 9 mm variants of the Glock - the Glock 17 and compact Glock 19, known locally as the Pistol 88 and Pistol 88B respectively.[25]. The Swedish Customs Service as well as the Swedish Coast Guard use Glock pistols as service weapon. [26]
United Kingdom - Users include the Specialist Firearms Command of the London Metropolitan Police Service and the PSNI.
United States - The U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation issues all agents graduating from the FBI Academy a Glock 22 or Glock 23 according to the agent's preference[27], although the Glock 17 may be issued for FBI agents tasked in certain overseas assignments. .40 caliber Glock pistols are issued to all new agents of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration,[28] and the Glock 19 remains the standard issue of the US E.P.A. Criminal Investigation Division.


Swedish soldiers
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x49/roman3/sweden5.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x49/roman3/sweden1.jpg

Norwegian

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x49/roman3/Take_17_91273a.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x49/roman3/hv016_91935a.jpg


Austrian Soldier

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x49/roman3/austrian.jpg

legion3
May 22, 2008, 04:27 PM
Italian

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x49/roman3/consegnanh90aviazioneesmv2.jpg

German with H&K

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x49/roman3/21374JJ584520b4fed.jpg

Mad Magyar
May 22, 2008, 04:36 PM
South Korean Army: Daewoo DP51
http://i26.tinypic.com/20z19b5.jpg

legion3
May 22, 2008, 05:17 PM
Obviously the Beretta 92 Series in Italy

Beretta 92 also

Italy — Military and police (Italian Army) (Aeronautica Militare) (Marina Militare) (Carabinieri) (Polizia di Stato) (Guardia di Finanza) (Corpo Forestale dello Stato) (Polizia Penitenziaria)
United States — U.S. Military (M9) and some federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies
Albania - Some special units of Albanian Armed Forces, Republican Guard and State Police Special Forces.
Bosnia and Herzegovina — Military and Police
France — French Military (92G)
Malaysia — Royal Malaysian Army (92F)
Mexico - Special Forces and some federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies.
Peru — Peruvian Navy(92F) and FOES
Philippines — Armed Forces and Philippine National Police
Slovenia — Military and Police
South Africa — Military (SANDF) and Police (SAPS) (Z88 licensed copy)
Spain — Civil Guard

jmr40
May 22, 2008, 05:25 PM
CZ claims the CZ-75 is used by more armies and police than any other pistol. But who uses it? I am not aware of any countries or police that issue the CZ. Is it because most are Eastern European and I am just not hearing about it?

WC145
May 22, 2008, 05:31 PM
I find it interesting that the Swedish soldiers in the pics are using Bianchi holsters.

trillium
May 22, 2008, 05:39 PM
CZ claims the CZ-75 is used by more armies and police than any other pistol. But who uses it? I am not aware of any countries or police that issue the CZ. Is it because most are Eastern European and I am just not hearing about it?

Strange claim . Its just not true.

this is from CZ USA website :

CZ 75 B is used by more Govern-ments, Militaries, Police and Security agencies than any other pistol in the world. The CZ 75 is quite possibly the perfect pistol.

And even this claim is not correct.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CZ-75

Papaster
May 22, 2008, 06:13 PM
Awesome pictures, legion3, and thanks for the list of countries/arms!

legion3
May 22, 2008, 06:44 PM
HK USP


The Heckler & Koch USP is issued by several agencies worldwide.

Australia
The USP45 is the standard sidearm of the Australian Special Air Service Regiment (SASR).

Denmark
Since 2002, the USP Compact 9mm is in service with the Danish police.

Estonia
Since 2006, the USP is the new standard issue pistol of the Estonian Defence Forces gradually replacing Makarov PM. They first arrived and were put to use in the ScoutsBattalion (skautpataljon), this unit is sent out on missions in Iraq and Afghanistan. Recently the pistols made their way to other units as well. (MPs and so on).

Egypt
The USP is the official sidearm of the of the Egyptian Police.

France
The USP Compact is the standard sidearm of the French Navy and the Maritime Gendarmerie. It replaced the PSA MAC 50 in 2007.

Germany
The USP Tactical has been issued to the German elite force KSK, the Fernspähkompanie and the German Navy commando frogmen. A 9 mm variant has also been issued as the standard sidearm of the German Armed Forces, under the designation P8 pistol, while one version of the USP Compact - the P10 - is used by German police forces.

Greece
Adopted by the Greek military under license by EAS.

Ireland
In October 2007, the USP became the standard pistol of the Irish Defence Forces replacing the Browning Hi-Power.

Japan
The USP9 is the standard side arm of the Special Assault Team.

Malaysia
The USP9 adopted by Malaysian Armed Forces for use within elite 10 Paratrooper Brigade as the side arm. The Royal Malaysian Police acquired the USP9 Compact and USP Tactical 9 mm for used by elite Pasukan Gerakan Khas to replacing the Browning Hi-Power and Heckler & Koch P9S and used by police general duties officer in East Malaysia, especially Sabah and Sarawak Peninsulars.

Norway
Used by Army Ranger Command (HJK) units.

Republic of Korea
The USP was adopted for use within the Republic of Korea National Police Special Weapon Attack Team (KNP SWAT) & Coast Guard Sea Special Assault Team (SSAT).

Spain
Since 2006, the USP Compact is the new standard pistol of the Spanish National Police, gradually replacing the old Star 28 PK.

Thailand
The USP9 is the sidearm of the Royal Thai Navy SEALs Counter-Terrorist Team.

United States
The USP45 is the standard issue sidearm for the Maine State Police. The Federal Flight Deck Officer program uses the USP40.

legion3
May 22, 2008, 06:49 PM
Sig Sauer 226/229


[edit] P226
United States
Defense Intelligence Agency
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement
United States Navy SEALs (P226 Navy under the designation of Mk 24 Mod 0)
U.S. Coast Guard

United Kingdom
SAS
British Armed Forces under the designation L105A1
Canada
Canadian Forces Military Police, JTF-2 and Naval Boarding Parties.
France
GIGN
Ireland
Irish Army Rangers
Emergency Response Unit (Garda)
Iran
Adopted it for use under license by Defense Industries Organization as the ZOAF and, currently, as the PC9 pistol
Indonesia
Gegana
Kopassus
Kopaska
Denjaka
Detasemen Bravo
Israel
Sayeret Duvdevan
Japan
Special Assault Team
Japan Ground Self-Defense Force & Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force as Minebea P9.
Malaysia
General Operations Forces
New Zealand
New Zealand Army
Slovenia
Slovenian Army (ESD - Special Forces)
Singapore
Singapore Armed Forces
Spain
Grupo Especial de Operaciones (GEO)
Sweden
Swedish Police
Venezuela
Fuerza Armada Nacional

[edit] P228
Albania
RENEA
United Kingdom
SAS
Canada
Service de police de la Ville de Laval
Japan
Special Assault Team
Special Security Team
Malaysia
General Operations Forces
Sweden
Swedish Police
United States
United States Navy SEALs (Under designation as the M11)[6]
United States Army Criminal Investigation Command
United States Naval Criminal Investigation Service
United States Navy, Naval Aviation
United States Air Force Office of Special Investigations
Delta Force (Special Forces Operational Detachment Delta)
Task Force 11
United Arab Emirates
Abu Dhabi Police
Abu Dhabi Police SWAT Team
UAE Special Forces
UAE Army
Dubai Police SWAT Team

[edit] P229
United States
United States Naval Criminal Investigation Service (P229 DAK, .40 S&W)
United States Department of Homeland Security
Federal Air Marshal Service (.357 SIG)
United States Coast Guard (P229 DAK, .40 S&W)
Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) (P229 DAK, .40 S&W)
United States Secret Service (.357 SIG)
United States Department of State - Diplomatic Security Service (P229 Rail 9 mm)
United States Federal Reserve Police (.40 S&W) May have used. Federal Reserve (Federal Protection) are now seen with the S&W M&P (.40)
United States Postal Inspection Service - Postal Inspectors (P229R DAK .40 S&W)

RustyShackelford
May 22, 2008, 07:29 PM
Don't forget the HK USPs and P-30s too!

Sweet!
:D

I hope the US military gets a HK soon...

Rusty S

falnovice
May 22, 2008, 09:38 PM
CZ claims the CZ-75 is used by more armies and police than any other pistol

You know, I have heard this before but I don't get it.
In October 2007 they made a bit of a production of manufacturing the 1 million CZ75. Sounds like a lot, However.......

The Glocks fans will be the first to jump up and say there are 2.5 Million glocks, and while many, prehaps even most, of these guns are in police/security/civilian hands it still trumps the CZ numbers.

Then I step back and say wait a minute, there is something close to 8 million Hi Powers in circulation, and it was/is the most widely adopted military pistol ever.

I always try to take any firearms marketing with a grain of salt.

Hoppy590
May 22, 2008, 10:47 PM
2.5 Million glocks

2.5 million guns of one brand (glock) or of one MODEL.

the CZ75 is an individual model. so if the numbers are true

CZ makes 1 model that sells almost 1/2 of what glocks 10+ models do

USMCDK
May 22, 2008, 10:56 PM
trillim, thanks for the info. I got some bad information. I did read that Glock is used among some elite units, as you said, but heard nothing about the Hi-Powers & Sigs being issued.


Sig P228 used by our Navy Seals
Sig P226 used by our Navy Criminal Investigations Squad (NCIS)

As for the Hi Power... you got me there I couldn't tell you

USMCDK
May 22, 2008, 10:57 PM
Another weapon out there is the Colt 45 clone and Iraq uses that still from what I remember seeing when I was out there in 2004

HorseSoldier
May 22, 2008, 11:15 PM
As questions go, this one is really a mess, since there are a whole mess of countries who issue a variety of different pistols to their militaries and security forces either due to limited resources (or extended replacement schedules), varying requirements for a handgun, or multiple agencies each procuring their own handgun(s), etc.

saturno_v
May 22, 2008, 11:25 PM
Bersa Thunder 9

Argentina Armed Forces

Argentina Federal Police

Various police forces around South America and elsewhere

Papaster
May 23, 2008, 09:40 AM
HorseSoldier,
I realized when I wrote the question there would be a vast array of different pistols & calibers used by special forces, military police, etc. I was mostly curious about primary issue arms for majorities of other country's military. I was also rather dubious of CZ's claim, and wanted to make sure my suspicious were grounded.
I know there are people on this thread from various regions of the world, and it's good to hear from some of them. legion3, you've come up with quite a bit of information, do you have a solitary source, or have you gathered all this information? I tried to find some kind of listings like this, but was unsuccessful.

RustyShackelford
May 23, 2008, 11:24 AM
The SIG sauer website posts a news item that the US Naval Criminal Investigations Service aka; NCIS will now get the SIG P-229 DAK model .40S&W. :D

www.sigsauer.com

Rusty S

I do not think they had the P-226 but the 9mmNATO P-228 models.

USMCDK
June 6, 2008, 04:37 PM
I will check with my resource again about what they used to carry, there is a women here that used to be in NCIS and that where I got my info. Thank you for the correction/updat though!!

USMCDK

Hoppy590
June 6, 2008, 06:14 PM
Another weapon out there is the Colt 45 clone and Iraq uses that still from what I remember seeing when I was out there in 2004

you sure your not thinking of the Browning Hi Power
http://www.enemyforces.com/firearms/browninghp.jpg

Blue Brick
June 6, 2008, 06:47 PM
Israel Air force-Ruger P85

macp
June 6, 2008, 06:54 PM
Does anyone know what condition the British carry their Brownings in? I'd imagine it's not Condition 1, but you never know.

gengarnett
December 13, 2009, 04:41 PM
they are stupid. Well since officers are not usually ccw'ing I could see it unloaded with a full mag when not in a combat situation, but in combat it should be in condition one.

I hi power in a good holster under condition one is as "safe" to the shooter as any other handgun.

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