1911s under $650?


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Arrogant Bastard
May 22, 2008, 04:00 PM
What recommendations would people make for the best out-of-the-box 1911 clones for under $450?

OK, I've changed the title -- there are LOTS of good 1911s under $650.

I want to find a good 1911 clone for under $450 to play with and decide whether or not I'd like to get a much more expensive, custom item, like one from Les Baer.

Used is fine, too, so advice on where to go and what to look for when buying a used 1911 clone would be appreciated.

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R12GS
May 22, 2008, 04:05 PM
RIA is probably the best deal going. Can usually be had for around $400 and they work.

rellascout
May 22, 2008, 04:09 PM
Used Dan Wesson or Colt.

Like this one:

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t213/rellascout/19112.jpg

New SA Milspec or New STI Saprtan

http://www.stiguns.com/guns/Spartan/images/Spartan06-Main_800w.jpg

SuperNaut
May 22, 2008, 04:13 PM
STI Spartan

I know, predictable.

VHinch
May 22, 2008, 04:23 PM
Springfield Loaded

rellascout
May 22, 2008, 04:26 PM
Where can you get SA loaded for less than $650?

Chris B
May 22, 2008, 04:27 PM
Shooters Arms 1911. J and G sales has them for $349.99, so you could have one for that plus shipping plus whatever your FFL charges for a transfer. I got one and it did not function properly (hammer only fell to half cock when trigger was pulled) and J and G immediately replaced it with one that has not failed yet and I've put 350-400 rounds through it so far.

MICHAEL T
May 22, 2008, 04:30 PM
New (not old llama) Firestorm or American Classic Their same pistol just different roll mark Delux for around 400

SuperNaut
May 22, 2008, 04:42 PM
Where can you get SA loaded for less than $650?

No! My wallet is empty!

putteral
May 22, 2008, 04:42 PM
Charles Daly EFS Buds Gun Shop has them under $500. I have one great gun
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_225/products_id/81318

Treo
May 22, 2008, 05:40 PM
My RIA cost 410.00$ .goes boom every time

Confederate
May 22, 2008, 06:55 PM
I don't know how much the Smith & Wessons are going for, but I've heard a lot of great things about them. I'm sure used they should be quite reasonable, but as far as new, Taurus may be worth a try. I don't know why 1911s are so costly these days. Stainless steel-frame autos can be had for next to nothing, and the variations in cost between some of these guns are mind boggling. I can pick up two 645s in primo condition for less than one new 1911!

Since I'm one of the baby-boomers, I know how ineffective 1911 .45s are, generally. In all the monster movies I saw growing up, the military guys shooting 1911s were all toast—I mean, they were always the first ones taken out by the aliens or the swamp monster.


http://www.ozarkguns.com/pistols/Smith%20&/smith_pistol_files/170257_large.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/jriler/GIwithPistol.jpg

VHinch
May 22, 2008, 07:15 PM
Where can you get SA loaded for less than $650?

Local shop around here usually has them at $619-649.

Saw a very lightly used Parked Loaded for $550 last week, but got beat to it.

kentucky_smith
May 22, 2008, 07:24 PM
Rock Islands, STI Spartans, plain Kimber Custom II ( a great gun), used Colt's.

Wholesale Colt's new are around $650 for a decent 1911.

tomh1426
May 22, 2008, 07:33 PM
Ria
Pt1911

M2 Carbine
May 22, 2008, 07:50 PM
My Kimber Ultra Carry (bottom right) was $589 and the Compact Carry (top left) was $684. That was a few years ago, they might have gone up a little.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/kimbers5.jpg

Even the least expensive Kimbers are very accurate.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/KimberUltraCarry10yds7shts1hole.jpg

Ske1etor
May 22, 2008, 07:53 PM
Local shop around here usually has them at $619-649.

Saw a very lightly used Parked Loaded for $550 last week, but got beat to it.

Are you sure its a Springfield Loaded?

They usually go for right under 800 around here for the stainless models.

2nd 41
May 22, 2008, 07:54 PM
Norinco ? My shooting buddy bought one used. Loves it. Accurate & reliable.

Arrogant Bastard
May 22, 2008, 08:44 PM
How are the Para Ordnance 1911s?

I just checked Academy; they had the Taurus PT1911 for (IIRC) $579 -- Gander Mountain had the Para Ordance 1911 for slightly less.

I remember seeing achive threads from just a few years ago claiming prices of RIA 1911s of $279 -- I guess prices have really inflated in the last couple years.

I would love to find a decent, reliable 1911 for as cheap as possible, and decide if I like the 1911s enough to get a custom built one like the Les Baer models.

VHinch
May 22, 2008, 08:48 PM
Are you sure its a Springfield Loaded?

They usually go for right under 800 around here for the stainless models.

Yep. I've bought 2 from them. That is the parked price, they run the stainless $50-60 more.

sparkyguy
May 22, 2008, 09:16 PM
I dislike the "clone" tag put on any 1911 that isn't a Colt. Sounds kinda snobbish, and as if looking down their nose at anything that isn't a Colt. IMO, Colt aint all that it is built up to be(especially in recent years) and wish ppl would just refer to the guns as 1911's. The patent ran out long, long ago.
As far as getting a 1911 for under $650? I bought my Springfield Loaded SS 1911 NIB for $699, so deals are out there for used.

AndyC
May 22, 2008, 09:30 PM
Rock Island Armory

Eightball
May 22, 2008, 10:32 PM
1911 "clone" might be referring to a non-"issued" firearm, rather than "non-COLT." Just my .02.

My bet would be a SA Mil-Spec or GI.

Ske1etor
May 22, 2008, 10:58 PM
Yep. I've bought 2 from them. That is the parked price, they run the stainless $50-60 more.

If only I had a couple extra hundred bucks lying around!

nick295
May 23, 2008, 03:25 AM
Depends what you are looking for, the Taurus pt1911 is a great range gun, its really accurate and has a good trigger but I would not advise of it for any type of defense as the reliability sucks.

Sturmgewher
May 23, 2008, 04:14 AM
Springfield also offers their Government model for around 550, but it is plain jane parkerized with wood grips and fixed sights. Think gubment issue.

John828
May 23, 2008, 08:06 AM
...the Taurus pt1911 is a great range gun, its really accurate and has a good trigger but I would not advise of it for any type of defense as the reliability sucks.

I sure wouldn't think a great range gun would be one that I had to clear every other magazine or even once every hundred rounds. OTOH, I reckon "great" could mean different things to people.

My PT1911 has eaten a little over 1500 rounds in a month and a half without a FTE or FTF. There's some finish wear, but that's all.

Maybe I got the only good one made.


To the OP:

ArrogantBastard the RIA seems to fit your requirements. Get it, shoot it, be happy with it. In a year, if you like the platform and you saved money, upgrade. It really is that simple. I highly doubt the RIA will disappoint you unless it's a lemon (which could come from any manufacturer) and it will come in handy in the future as a loaner to help get a newbie on the right track.

fletcher
May 23, 2008, 08:08 AM
A new SA GI or mil-spec will be under $650, and used will bring the loaded in as an option. Also, take a look at the Taurus PT1911 - they have pretty good reviews.

gcrookston
May 23, 2008, 08:30 AM
I have over 2,000 rounds down the pipe of my PT1911 without a failure of any kind. It is an accurate and well made pistol and compares quite favorably to the other 1911's I've owned and the two others I currently have.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj19/gcrookston/DSC00069.jpg

Arrogant Bastard
May 23, 2008, 10:19 AM
How is the Kahr Auto-Ordnance 1911?

I've read reviews that the old Auto-Ordnance 1911s were awful, but under Kahr were quite good. And it looks like one can be had new for $479.

rellascout
May 23, 2008, 10:34 AM
No Autoordance

Arrogant Bastard
May 23, 2008, 10:39 AM
Rellascout, even since Kahr bought them out?

rellascout
May 23, 2008, 10:42 AM
Yes. The RIA is better at that price point.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/UserImages/3321/977001784/pop_wm_825060.jpg

$435

Arrogant Bastard
May 23, 2008, 11:52 AM
I can't seem to find anybody around here who carries it. Can you suggest an online seller that can ship to a local firearms dealer for me?

kentucky_smith
May 23, 2008, 12:07 PM
Look for Bellshireguns on gunbroker.

Sarco used to be, but can't seem to ship guns at the moment.


http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=100621669

Arrogant Bastard
May 23, 2008, 04:31 PM
I went with the Taurus 1911.

If I like it, I'll add a Les Baer to my growing collection.

tomh1426
May 23, 2008, 04:40 PM
Good choice, I had a RIA tac as a beater but traded it towards a pt1911.
I think the pt is a nice step up from the rock.

cxg231
May 23, 2008, 06:44 PM
How is the Kahr Auto-Ordnance 1911?

I've read reviews that the old Auto-Ordnance 1911s were awful, but under Kahr were quite good. And it looks like one can be had new for $479.

I have one (Kahr made auto-ordnance). Picked it up a few weeks ago for $400. The trigger is very crisp, the slide is tight and everything is well put together, but it shoots low.

Like the "GI Spec" pistols tend to do, it doesn't like to feed hollowpoints. The factory magazine is garbage. Can't say I am thrilled with it, but it's an okay gun. I will be getting another "modern" 1911 at some point. Might keep the A/O just to have one that looks vintage, or get rid of it and pick up a SA GI. I will say that with Wilson Combat mags and ball/FMJ ammo it has been 100% reliable.

At the time I bought it, I could have had a RIA for $415, but I really dislike the huge "ROCK ISLAND ARMORY" on the slide and I would rather buy American, so I went with the Kahr.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3187/2395384603_d9f30a123d.jpg (http://flickr.com/photos/cxg231/2395384603/in/set-72157604423990536/)

kamagong
May 23, 2008, 07:25 PM
What happened to the Baer you were thinking about?

Arrogant Bastard
May 23, 2008, 11:50 PM
What happened to the Baer you were thinking about?

Still thinking about it -- this gun was to try out a 1911 to see how I like it, before i shell out that kind of money on one.

sparkyguy
May 24, 2008, 07:53 AM
Arrogant Bastard wrote:

Still thinking about it -- this gun was to try out a 1911 to see how I like it, before i shell out that kind of money on one.

Don't think..DO! I never shot a 1911 before I got my SA Loaded, I jumped both feet in. Only problem, it ruined all the other semi's I had and I have since sold them(except for a Ruger Mk1..plinker). 1911's are ultimate in cool, very accurate(at least mine is) and fun as hell. I am now contemplating getting a Springfield GI model in olive drab green.
http://san1.atlanta.gbhinc.com/GB/099784000/99784981/pix2928439859.jpg
I guess I'm working my way down instead of up.:cool:

Orion8472
May 24, 2008, 08:51 AM
I hope it is alright if I jump in with another question to piggyback on the OP.

Where would I find the best, yet lower priced, 1911 in 9mm? If you could post a name and the going rate for it, I would greatly appreciate it! I'm thinking one that will still have pretty good accuracy as well.

Thanks!

GingerGuy
May 24, 2008, 12:11 PM
Rock Island Armory
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm157/GingerGuy_photos/RockIsland002.jpg
For $400. you couldn't ask for a better value in a gun.

Fish828
May 24, 2008, 12:18 PM
Centerfire Systems Inc. has the basic Rock Island 1911 for $360 and the tactical model for $400.

stevemis
May 25, 2008, 09:24 AM
How are the Para Ordnance 1911s?


Para screwed me out of almost $1000 on a defective Warthawg which I bought just a few weeks ago.

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=4490486

Be very careful with these folks.

Sturmgewher
May 28, 2008, 01:43 AM
I was looking a the above photo of the RIA 1911 and it looks pretty clean until you look at he back of the hammer. Yikes! Looks like they crashed the mill half way through on that one. Other than that it looks pretty decent.
As far as reliability goes, anyone who knows anything about 1911's should know that the pistols requires a break in period of 300 or so rounds. This isn't some polymer auto that falls out of the mold ready to go but is rather a precision instrument that must be used to finish "sizing" the moving components. Once a 1911 has been "shot in" it will give the user years of reliable service. Much like a newly rebuilt perfomance engine, a 1911 has to be used for a while before it is "race" ready.

jtparkman
May 29, 2008, 09:26 PM
Springfield Armory Mil-spec...great pistol...

http://www.springfield-armory.com/armory.php?model=7

nero45acp
May 30, 2008, 03:33 AM
I've owned the following 1911s:

Colt Pre 70 Series GM
Colt 70 Series GM
Colt WW2 Repro 1911A1
Kimber Stainless Target II 9mm
Dan Wesson Pointman Major 9mm
SA Mil-Spec Parkerized
Sa Mil-Spec Stainless
Sistema 1927
RIA


Of those, only the Sistema and RIA have been 100% reliable, and the RIA is more accurate than the Sistema. I paid about $350 for the RIA and I couldn't be happier with it.


nero

FlyPenFly
May 30, 2008, 06:11 AM
Charles Daly EFS, basically the same as a RIA Tactical but with a nicer finish and forward serrations.

Orion8472
May 30, 2008, 09:32 AM
I wish RIA would put out a 9mm version of their 1911 pistol. :(

Beagle-zebub
May 30, 2008, 02:24 PM
I wish RIA would put out a 9mm version of their 1911 pistol.

Ditto. A 9mm 1911 is a great pistol for introducing people to shooting.

fletcher
May 30, 2008, 03:00 PM
I wish RIA would put out a 9mm version of their 1911 pistol.
I'd really like to see an entry-level priced 9mm 1911 ($400-500ish range). Taurus has had one listed for the past couple years, but who knows when (or if) it will ever come out.

JDGray
May 31, 2008, 09:24 AM
I purchased a new Springfield Loaded Parkerized for 639.00 on GB last summer. Deals can be found, but prices keep creeping up:)

My S&W SC commander is far ahead of my SA 1911, but you'll have to go used to get in the $650 range.

Orion8472
June 2, 2008, 10:13 AM
fletcher, are you saying that Taurus has a 9mm 1911 but hasn't released it for sale?

Hoffy
June 2, 2008, 02:03 PM
Good Choice AB!

I like my PT1911. After I got it broken in (rough first round feeding out of the factory magazines during the first 500 rounds) it has turned out to be very reliable.

I started out the same as you...thinking that I'll buy the PT1911 and might buy a higher dollar model later. Frankly, I have not found a good reason to spend more money on another 1911.

Sturmgewher
June 9, 2008, 09:46 PM
Look into the Auto-Ordanance 1911A1. I picked one up today for $525. Don't expect any frills, though. Single mag, standard hammer, trigger, mag and slided releases, etc. In other words 100% G.I. It has given no problems thus far, but I've only been running FMJ. I have tried a Kimber mag in it and it runs just like the factory. For the price, you get a base 1911A1 made in the USA for less than $600. I put Hogue grips on it but I think that will be as far as I go with customizing...maybe.

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