Anyone have a problem with CZ guns and the slide release location?


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johnson_n
May 22, 2008, 10:43 PM
Handled the P-01 and SP-01 today and they felt good except that I had to change my grip position just to get my thumb to touch the slide release lever. I really want to buy one but may end up with a G19 or M&P9.

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Sans Authoritas
May 22, 2008, 10:47 PM
I didn't get the P-01 in part because I don't have a use for a decocker. Go for the compact. You'll have no trouble.

-Sans Authoritas

ARTiger
May 22, 2008, 10:49 PM
I have 2. The decocker location's not a problem IMO. (If it's being decocked, grip position is irrelevant to me since that means it's "closed for business" and on it's way to a holster.)

johnson_n
May 22, 2008, 10:55 PM
Sorry guys, I meant slide release, not decocker.

hso
May 22, 2008, 11:07 PM
Since I was trained that the thing you're referring to as a "slide release" is a slide catch, no. The part is supposed to hold the slide open, but the proper way to release the slide is to pull back on the slide and release it.

Even though I can reach the slide catch with my finger, I avoid using it to release the slide since in an emergency the fine motor skill needed to do so just won't be there.

The Lone Haranguer
May 22, 2008, 11:10 PM
I do have to reach a little for this part on my PCR compact, but it is still quite manageable. It can also be tripped with the thumb of your support hand as you reacquire your grip, assuming that hand or arm is not injured.

The up side to this is that you're unlikely to "ride" it while actually shooting and cause malfunctions.

johnson_n
May 22, 2008, 11:13 PM
I use it when loading a new magazine. I dont do the slingshot method.

jdc1244
May 22, 2008, 11:15 PM
I had to change my grip position just to get my thumb to touch the slide release lever.

No problem accessing the slide stop on my 75B or SP-01.

As an aside Iíll never understand this Ďsmall hand/large handí thing. :confused:

I guess I have large hands. Iíve always considered them average size, neither large nor small. But I hear this all the time with CZs: Ďmy hands are too small for a CZ.í I look at my hand and can not imagine another manís hands being much smaller. Oh, well.

HorseSoldier
May 22, 2008, 11:22 PM
My hands are large enough that I can ride the slide release on the P-01 and SP-01 if I don't pay attention to where my firing thumb is.

Since I was trained that the thing you're referring to as a "slide release" is a slide catch, no. The part is supposed to hold the slide open, but the proper way to release the slide is to pull back on the slide and release it.

I'd say that's one school of thought (especially with agencies that issue Glocks), but most definitely not the way I've been taught to do it in the military (both on the conventional and SOF side). Both approaches have their pluses and minuses. I don't know that either is inappropriate for combat use (though, again, some designs may be better for one approach or the other).

Treo
May 22, 2008, 11:35 PM
I actually had to go get my 75B and check and yeah, that is kinda weird but I must have trained around it cause I didn't notice it till just now.

pdowg881
May 23, 2008, 12:00 AM
Holding a P-01 with with the thumbs on top of eachother style(trigger hand thumb ontop), my trigger hand thumb contacts the entire serrated part of the slide catch. The center of the first bone in the thumb (between the two knuckes) rides under the decocker. I don't have to change my grip to hit the catch.

With the mag release, without moving my grip at all I can only push the button enough to release the mag, but not drop it free. To push the button I have to loosen the grip a bit. It's because the side of my thumb that is in contact with the slide doesn't have enough bone on the button to push it in all the way. My thumb is actually a little too far forward with the mag release. I have to release the grip so I can use the bony part of my thumb to hit it. I don't even notice this when doing quick reloads. But I have a hard time holding the sight on target when reloading because of the loosening of the grip.

Decocker requires pulling the heel of my hand off the grip. I don't consider that an issue because you're done shooting if you're decocking. I have pretty big hands, and the controls seem really well suited to me but I can definately see an issue with the slide realse for people with smaller hands. It seems to me it wouldn't be the small hands that's the issue, but shorter fingers not being able to reach the controls without changing your grip. Sorry for the crappy descriptions and overly detailed explanation.

Claude Clay
May 23, 2008, 12:24 AM
slide release :confused:

decocker--often refereed to as the alternate trigger

pdowg881
May 23, 2008, 12:33 AM
I have heard so much from so many different people on the terminology and when it is appropriate to use it. Slingshot or slide ever etc., that I use slide release and slide catch interchangably. Unless you're specifiacally talking about the Cz-52 and its lack of one. In that case ignore what I said. What do you mean by deckocker as alternate trigger? Is that a Cz-52 malfunction?

Edit: Wikipedia-It is possible for old, worn vz. 52s to fire accidentally when using the decocker. The safest way to decock the hammer would be to first clear the weapon, then thumb-decock the hammer, precluding the use of the decocker entirely. Testing for a bad decocker can be accomplished by clearing the weapon, dropping an undersized wooden dowel (0.25") down the barrel, cocking the hammer, holding the pistol muzzle-up, then decocking. If the dowel moves at all (it may be fully ejected from the barrel), the hammer and/or safety lever needs to be replaced

Samuel Adams
May 23, 2008, 02:38 AM
Anyone have a problem with CZ guns and the slide release location?
Nope.

Wesson Smith
May 23, 2008, 04:24 AM
I wouldn't let that feature discourage you from going with a CZ. I have a P01, and it grips perfectly in my hand, and is the most accurate of all of my conventional 9MM sidearms.

loop
May 23, 2008, 04:50 AM
Many years ago when I first trained on autos the slide release was referred to as the slide stop. We were also taught the slingshot method of returning the gun to battery was only good for TV and movies.

I use the overhand method to release the slide. That means I push back on the slide with the left hand by gripping the slide toward the front with the palm over the top of the slide and edge it back slightly to release the slide and return it to battery.

That is why front slide serrations are there.

This method will also clear a stovepipe without even doing anything in terms of special effort to clear the jam.

In recent years it has become even easier to practice this type of racking because of the advances of skateboard tape. A half-inch wide strip of skateboard tape on the top of the slide allows you to simply slap the slide with the palm and release the slide and clear the jam at the same time.

The only time I use the slide stop to release the slide is when the gun does not have a magazine in it.

If you are confounded by releasing the slide without the use of the release, try reloading and racking the slide with one hand. Everyone should know how to do it, but most shooters cannot.

LUPUS
May 23, 2008, 06:54 AM
I always diciplinise myself sling shot releasing the slide of any semiauto to standardise the procedure regardless of the desing features. As someone stated, do not let this feature keep you away from the wonderfull feel and shooting characteristics of the CZs. Just my 0.02. Regards.

Pilot
May 23, 2008, 08:05 AM
All the controls on both my 75B and PCR are easily reachable. I love these guns partly due to their ergos.

Lobotomy Boy
May 23, 2008, 08:49 AM
I had a hard time at first, until I realized I was releasing the slide catch with the wrong thumb. I was trying to use my right thumb, which is what I use on my Glocks. The location of the slide release (there, we've satisfied every anal terminology Nazi now) is ideal for use with your left thumb, provided you're using a proper right-handed grip: heel of the right hand around the backstrap, heel of the left hand tucked up against it on the left grip, fingers of the left hand wrapped around the the fingers of the right hand in front of the trigger guard. If you use the goofy left-hand-at-the-baseplate-of-the-magazine grip (which is only a half step less ridiculous than the sideways gangbanger grip), you're pretty much scrod.

Gary G23
May 23, 2008, 08:52 AM
When I switched to CZs for IDPA competition three years ago I had to learn to use my left thumb.

johnson_n
May 23, 2008, 03:12 PM
Ok, so it's just a matter of using your support hand.

Which would you choose for a first CZ? I think it'll just be a range gun. My other two pistols are a P229R DAK and P2000SK LEM.

SP-01
P-01
75 B SA

Gary G23
May 23, 2008, 03:47 PM
My favorite range gun is the 75B SA in 9mm.

Treo
May 23, 2008, 05:07 PM
75B in .40 S&W

BamBam-31
May 23, 2008, 05:32 PM
If it's just a range gun, I'd get the SP-01 first, then the 75b SA, then the P-01.

And you really should slingshot. ;)

FEG
May 23, 2008, 09:03 PM
75B SA in 9mm. It's the best combination of price and features. It is also the preferred platform for customization (assuming you don't want a rail on a range gun, which seems pretty logical to lil' ol' me).

Samuel Adams
May 23, 2008, 09:15 PM
WARNING: CZs MAY BE HABIT-FORMING.
Consult your doctor if nursing or pregnant.
Dammit! You owe me another keyboard 'cause I just spit coffee all over mine. :D

jdc1244
May 23, 2008, 09:41 PM
Which would you choose for a first CZ? I think it'll just be a range gun.

If a range gun Iíd go with the SP-01, itís outstanding. The weight of the gun and the round are perfect for each other. It has great balance and points naturally Ė for me anyway. Itís a nice, big, heavy 9mm. :D ;) And, again, for me accessing the slide stop is not an issue. As they say, however, YMMV.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d116/jdc1244/DSC00086.jpg

johnson_n
May 24, 2008, 01:24 PM
I decided on the 75 B SA because of the single action. I want a SP-01 also but ill wait for the Shadow.

Cliff47
May 24, 2008, 01:57 PM
Problem?? What problem? Maybe I've been shooting CZs too long to notice...

nalioth
May 24, 2008, 05:46 PM
I always diciplinise myself sling shot releasing the slide of any semiauto to standardise the procedure regardless of the desing features. Bingo!

LoadedDrum
May 25, 2008, 09:09 AM
The only CZ I have ever had a problem with the slide release on is my 2075 Rami. The problem is not the placement but that there is not enough meat for my thumb to push down on. On my SP01s there is no problem.

johnson_n
May 29, 2008, 12:06 PM
I got the CZ 75B SA yesterday. Here is what im talking about. On my SIG, the slide stop is where the safety is on this pistol. Im taking it out on Sunday and will see how she shoots.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m127/johnson_n/IMG_2174.jpg

GZOh
May 29, 2008, 01:46 PM
JOHNSON... I have several CZs (w/ decocker) and like you, a Sig P229R... You CAN release the 'slide release' on the P229 very easily with the SAME HAND (ie. right thump while still holding the gun)... You really CAN'T do this 'comfortably' with a CZ (SP-01, 75B) its a L-O-N-G stretch... So for me, while holding the gun (w/ right hand) I release the slide-release with the LEFT THUMB... Different, but for me, absolutely NO PROBLEM!... If this is what you're referring to.

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