Thinking about a Saiga


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transformerguru
May 26, 2008, 12:50 AM
OK heres the skinny. I am trying to make up my mind about a Saiga and converting it. A local shop has a 16" .223 and a 20" 7.62x39. I am trying to decide weather to do a Galil style .223, which I cannot find a butt stock; or a Tapico Dragonov style 7.62x39. So I am asking is converting a .223 as easy as a 7.62x39 and where can i find a Galil style butt stock? Thanks in advance:)

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sarduy
May 26, 2008, 01:30 AM
http://www.sarcoinc.com/ak47.html

azhunter12
May 26, 2008, 03:33 PM
Be careful of parts count. You can't have more than 10 imorted parts on a Saiga.

SimpleIsGood229
May 26, 2008, 05:57 PM
As far as I know, the .223s and x39s conversions are the same.

jhansman
May 26, 2008, 07:08 PM
I too am seriously considering the Saiga .223, but would eventually like to add a pistol grip at the expense of a easily-removable mag (yes, I am in Calif.-try to get over it), but this site details what is involved in a the conversion most folks have in mind for this gun, and I'm not sure I'm up to it:

http://www.cross-conn.com/Saiga_Conversion/

Ya gotta be pretty motivated to take that job on, so if I get the Saiga, I may just leave it 'sporterized' and keep the removable mag. Good SHTF gun for about $300.

geojap
May 26, 2008, 07:09 PM
I believe that you need to do a bullet guide for .223 in order to use Bulgarian waffles, or else the .223 rounds will not feed out of the mag and into the chamber. It isn't really complex, but a guide block needs to be drilled and seated into the space between the mag and chamber. I think Galil mags will work without a bullet guide, but I'm not sure about that.

My Tromix folding stock was welded onto the rear of the Saiga receiver. It is completely different than normal plug-and-play AK stocks. This one works perfectly. Ace makes a folding stock which is more or less plug-and-play with Saigas.

I love my .223 Saiga, but there are one or two more steps than a 7.62x39. You can get Galil pistol grips from Ace.

Here is my rifle.
http://codemonkeyx.com/images/peakoil/saiga1.jpg

SimpleIsGood229
May 26, 2008, 07:28 PM
Ahhh, I stand corrected. So the 7.62x39 conversion does NOT require a bullet guide?

By the way, nice rifle, geojap!

nalioth
May 26, 2008, 07:40 PM
Ahhh, I stand corrected. So the 7.62x39 conversion does NOT require a bullet guide? All conversions require a bullet guide for consistent reliable operation.

chris in va
May 26, 2008, 08:14 PM
All conversions require a bullet guide for consistent reliable operation

Sorry, that's not true. You can use MasterMolder or Surefire x39 mags that will work without the bullet guide. MM are only $12 each. And yes I can personally confirm they work.

But the guide from Dinzag takes literally 10 minutes to install. Just did mine last week.

geojap
May 26, 2008, 08:29 PM
My answer above may not have been 100% accurate. I assumed 7.62x39s did not require a bullet guide to use normal AK magazines. I know my .223 rifle does require one.

You may want to check up on the build that you are considering at http://forum.saiga-12.com. They will have all the Saiga resources that you need.

Thanks for the compliment. This is my primary, all-purpose rifle. It is a sweet, sweet rifle. I smoothed the hook and trigger contacts out in the fire control group, and the trigger pull is smooth as glass now. It is 100% reliable, shoots less than 3 MOA usually, is light, and you can co-witness irons with the Aimpoint CompC3 that I installed. It's a helluva rifle. I love mine to death.

One word of caution, they can get expensive when you are done with them. I got my Tromix conversion (welded folding stock, excellent rivet work, US compliance parts) for about $750. I then added an Ultimak rail, Ace Galil pistol grip, Bulgarian lower handguard, Dinzag handguard retainer plate, Aimpoint CompC3 2 MOA red dot scope, and Blue Force Gear - Vickers sling. That took a $260 rifle up to $1500 total, but it's an amazing rifle now.

nalioth
May 26, 2008, 08:40 PM
All conversions require a bullet guide for consistent reliable operation
Sorry, that's not true. You can use MasterMolder or Surefire x39 mags that will work without the bullet guide. MM are only $12 each. And yes I can personally confirm they work.
Read what I said, please.

Without a bullet guide, if your mags break (or you forget to grab the right bag for the range), you are out of luck.

With a bullet guide, any standard AK47/AKM mag can be used, as well as the MM, Surefire and Pro-Mags.

Sorry, but the jury is still out on the longevity and durability of the MM and Surefire mags ( we already know about the Pro-Mags ).

transformerguru
May 26, 2008, 09:58 PM
thanks for the help guys and nice rifle geojap. Now I just need to convince the wife I need another rifle :D

transformerguru
May 28, 2008, 12:12 AM
What is the ACE website? I cannot find it on a search...

nalioth
May 28, 2008, 12:30 AM
What is the ACE website? I cannot find it on a search...

ACE's website is http://www.riflestocks.com

Not to be confused with Choate Machine and Tool at http://www.riflestock.com

transformerguru
May 28, 2008, 10:25 PM
thanks just bookmarked it

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