Is this laziness or justified?


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Ethics
May 26, 2008, 01:47 AM
I live 40 minutes to the closest public shooting range, and to top it off, it's something ridiculous like $14/hr to shoot at the pistol range.

Now, I've had a Glock 17 for probably 3 weeks now that I haven't fired yet just because I can't justify the cost of paying $10 in gas and $14/hr range fees. Not to mention paper target and ammo prices.

I'm in the Peoria, IL area if anyone knows anywhere where I can shoot cheaply. I can shoot my shotguns at some private property that my grandpa owns, but he's VERY against handguns and won't allow them on his property.

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Disaster
May 26, 2008, 02:14 AM
Sounds like you need to educate your Grandpa. Handguns aren't evil.

kingpin008
May 26, 2008, 02:43 AM
Why did you post this on two seperate sub-forums? Please limit your posts to one sub-forum at a time in the future, it makes it much easier for people to respond to your post, and keeps the clutter of unnecessary threads to a minumum.

12131
May 26, 2008, 04:31 AM
One of these days, you gonna have to fire that sucker, unless you just bought it for look.

Double Naught Spy
May 26, 2008, 06:40 AM
Offer gramps $14 an hour and see what he says!

fubb
May 26, 2008, 07:28 AM
Get your priorities straight. Shoot or get off the porch

michiganfan
May 26, 2008, 07:31 AM
If it were any other gun I would say you have to fire to make sure it works. But since it is a Glock you can bypass that test. LOL.

Quoheleth
May 26, 2008, 08:00 AM
Comparison shop for entertainment value...

Wife & I went to see Indiana Jones last night:
- Dinner $40
- 2 tickets (post-4pm) $19.50
- Popcorn & 2 large sodas $15.75
- 40 mile round trip travel $10 (or so) in gas.
- Enjoying an evening with the wife without the kids: Priceless

I made that choice, and I'm not complaining. But that's the point: I'll bet you do other things like that and don't even worry about the cost.

Gas money - well, you gotta drive anyway.
Range price - skip 3 Whataburger runs, and you've got it covered.
Two hundred rounds of ammo - well, skip breakfast at McDs, coffee at Starbucks, and cokes. Adds up fast.

If you only get to go every other month...take what you can get, man! If you don't you have an expensive paperweight.

Q

2nd 41
May 26, 2008, 08:30 AM
Go enjoy yourself. Go to the range. It's safe & legal there. If money is an issue shoot 1 less box of ammo. If you like that facility buy a 22LR for extended range use.

Capitaine Nemo
May 26, 2008, 08:33 AM
Just to say, in Switzerland I pay 20 dollars for thirty minutes of shooting. My .357 can cost me up to 50 dollars (with a box of ammo) for only 30 minutes, and the range is obsolete and dark. I would gladly pay 14 dollars to shoot, it sounds like a great price to me.

Mad Magyar
May 26, 2008, 08:48 AM
Now, I've had a Glock 17 for probably 3 weeks now that I haven't fired yet just because I can't justify the cost of paying $10 in gas and $14/hr range fees. Not to mention paper target and ammo prices.

I think many of us are in a similar situation about the rising costs for everything. I'm in your situation, minus the range fees since there is a public range out-of-town...It must be driving you "nuts" to have a nice pistol and not shooting it...I say go out & spend the money & fire away: you'll feel better.:)

greener
May 26, 2008, 09:21 AM
The only public shooting range I'm aware of in Richmond is about that price per hour plus you have to purchase ammo at a significant mark-up from them. So, your range price isn't comparatively bad. Targets aren't that expensive, but you can save by using printer paper and a magic marker or go high-tech like me and download printable targets.

If you plan to use the Glock for something other than a paper weight, you need some range time, particularly if you don't have a lot of experience shooting handguns. They certainly aren't something you can shoot accurately without practice. I belong to a club and shoot very regularly. I always put a few rounds through my primary carry piece, no matter what else I shoot.

I'm a big fan of .22lr for training and fun. You can get 500 rounds of .22 for about the price of gas to the range.

Bite the bullet and start shooting the Glock or Glock and .22 at the public range. Start working on Grandpa, he might change his mind, especially if you start with a .22. I know us codgers are set in our ways, but sometimes we change our minds.

greener
May 26, 2008, 09:27 AM
If it were any other gun I would say you have to fire to make sure it works. But since it is a Glock you can bypass that test. LOL.

More reliable than my wheel guns?:what:

Go Green, Go White:D

punchdrunk
May 26, 2008, 10:00 AM
move to missouri. Be nice to your grandpa. Problem solved.

varoadking
May 26, 2008, 11:54 AM
Go Green, Go White

What does this mean, neighbor?

The Bushmaster
May 26, 2008, 12:17 PM
Aah..Don't listen to Kingpin008...He can't help it...He's from Merry Land...:D

You're in Ilannoy? If you were closer you could shoot on my personal private range for just the fun of it...

"Go Green, Go White"?? Yeah...What is that?

ZombieHunter
May 26, 2008, 12:28 PM
I'd say figure out why your grandpa is against it and if he has arguable reasons, like say his property isn't really set up to shoot ammo that can fly for 500 yards, do what you can to fix those like build a backstop.

You're right though, if he's just against handguns you're pretty much screwed...it's like trying to have an intelligent debate with someone about "global climate change". No amount of fact or figure is going to trump "well Al Gore (and my buddy's uncle) got a nobel prize for it."

And as a Merry Lander...I only wish I had some of the problems you guys did :(

DFW1911
May 26, 2008, 12:48 PM
You can't use your Glock (or any other firearm) for CCW / or consider it for SD until you've fired it. I know others will probably disagree, but I don't carry and weapon that hasn't been through the paces a few time.

Shooting can be an expensive hobby, but well worth the investment. If I were you I'd head to the range, maybe even invite Grandpa to go.

Good luck!
DFW1911

jocko
May 26, 2008, 12:59 PM
wellit certainly makes alot of sense to me. and I don't even mean a 100 rounds either, needs break in and then need sto find for sure what defense round is indeed going to work correctly. I realize some feel that every gun should be right out of the box and I do to but that does not mean jack sh-t to the ultimate user of that particular gun. good erxample.

a poster on the Kahr forum awhile back sent his kahr back for some issues and when he got it back he looked and see the striker was painted yellow. He thought that was odd. The gun would not fire. He called Kahr and explained what he saw and done, they told him to do nothing until he gets a new striker from them, as SOMEHOW a modified show striker was inserted in his gun, so that i tcannot be fired at gun exhibits by kahr. they had no reason or excuse as to how it got in there. BUT IT DID. to assume the gun was now ok and to put it in ur pocket without testing it, well you do the math.

greener
May 26, 2008, 01:38 PM
What does this mean, neighbor?

Michigan State cheer, which I'm sure michiganfan (Uof M?) would enjoy.

Where do you shoot, VARoadking?

Ken Rainey
May 26, 2008, 02:19 PM
Well, try to talk Grandpa into letting you shoot there just once to show him that all will be well, in the mean time, you can practice your draw, grip, stance, sight alignment and trigger pull with an EMPTY pistol...you only have to retract the slide about a half inch to reset the trigger....all this will put you that much farther ahead when you do get to fire your pistol......good choice, btw..;)

varoadking
May 26, 2008, 06:17 PM
Where do you shoot, VARoadking?

Years ago, I shot at Dominion - the subject of your post - and I mean a lot, but their policy of buying their ammo at 2x retail prices did not appeal to me.

I joined Hanover Rifle and Pistol Club - outdoor - several years back, but the property has since been sold and the range closed. It was great - not crowded, and you shot whatever you wanted from the same station.

I have been a member of Cavalier Rifle and Pistol Club - outdoor - for about 4 years now. I don't get out there as often as I would like...I'd prefer they build more multi-discipline ranges. It's a PITA to shoot handguns, move to another range for rifles, etc., though it is a class A facility with great people.

My daughter is a rising senior at William and Mary, so I'll run down to an indoor range - The Marksman in Norfolk - and drag her with me...after I buy her lunch, of course... ;)

Thinking I need to apply to Quantico, but I may be just outside of their 60 mile cutoff...I'm out in the fashionable West End - near Godwin H.S.

How about you?

Michigan State cheer

That was the first thing that came to mind, believe it or not...

I spent some time in Lansing about 5 years ago rebuilding an apartment building that had been razed in a fire. I'm from Chicago originally, and I loved the smell of the midwest the moment I got off the plane. My kids both have MSU sweatshirts from the bookstore there... :D

greener
May 27, 2008, 07:23 AM
I lived in Kalamazoo for about 20 years. Oldest went to MSU. Told me for four years how much she hated the town and the school, then stayed for grad school, then stayed in E. Lansing. In a couple of months her wedding will be held in one of the gardens on campus. I got hooked up with some folks who had decent seats in Spartan Stadium and Breslin, so I went to a lot of football and basketball games. Even managed a few games during their NCAA championship run. Loved the midwest except for the dreary, cloudy winters. Loads of great fishing lakes within minutes of the house and I was about 40 minutes from Lake Michigan. Don't mind the lack of snow removal in Richmond.

Live in the West End off Staples Mill Road. I've been shooting at Black Creek for the past couple of years.

Congrats on getting daughter, almost, through William and Mary. My last is a rising junior at Mary Washington. Ten years ago I had three in higher education at one time, just one is a breeze.

Rinspeed
May 27, 2008, 08:53 AM
Don't feel bad, I usually have 2000-3000 rounds loaded up and can shoot right ourside my back door. I've been so busy lately I just haven't had the time to do much shooting.

SimpleIsGood229
May 27, 2008, 10:45 PM
Don't forget about the Ceiner .22 conversion kits for Glocks. It's a new slide and mag that you use on the pre-existing frame. Very good idea. That way, you're really just shooting .22's through the Glock, as opposed to a whole 'nother gun. Not there's anything wrong with another gun, of course! :evil:

socaldan
May 28, 2008, 12:18 AM
Quote:
Gas money - well, you gotta drive anyway.
Range price - skip 3 Whataburger runs, and you've got it covered.
Two hundred rounds of ammo - well, skip breakfast at McDs, coffee at Starbucks, and cokes. Adds up fast.

What about we who eat ramen and reload to keep shootin,and prices keep going up! @<%#&* it.

Girodin
May 28, 2008, 01:19 AM
You can't use your Glock (or any other firearm) for CCW / or consider it for SD until you've fired it.

There is a big difference between can't and shouldn't.

RPCVYemen
May 28, 2008, 03:31 PM
I can shoot my shotguns at some private property that my grandpa owns, but he's VERY against handguns and won't allow them on his property.

Your grandpa may be right - in his restrictions, not in his attitude towards handguns (if you are reporting his attitude correctly). In general, it takes much, much less land to shoot shotguns safely than to shoot rifles or pistols.

like say his property isn't really set up to shoot ammo that can fly for 500 yards, ...

Some pistol rounds can go quite a bit farther than 500 yards:

The maximum ranges can be more than a mile for some handgun bullets and more than 4.5 miles for some rifle bullets. http://www.exteriorballistics.com/ebexplained/5th/36.cfm

On a flat piece of land, if you wanted to be really safe shooting pistols, without berms, you'd need 3-4 square miles of land (figuring a circle of land with a radius of 1 mile). That's over 2000 acres!

Obviously, berms or hills can change the needed area dramatically. The only issue with berms is that people still manage to shoot over berms occasionally.

I know that a lot of people shoot on much smaller patches of land without berms and feel perfectly safe doing so. Unfortunately, unless their feelings can change the physics, what they feel doesn't make a whole lot of difference. This ain't Oprah :) - what you feel doesn't change the exterior ballistics of a round after it leaves the barrel.

One round escaping from your grandpa's land could cost your grandpa his land.

It's possible that you're grandpa is just a wise man.

Mike

WinchesterAA
May 28, 2008, 04:40 PM
I love Houston's ranges.. RO's take the stance of "Hell no I'm not going in there!" so anything goes, 7.5$ for the day.

1000rds of ammunition, OTOH, is hard to come by. I don't like to go shooting with less than that.

Confederate
May 28, 2008, 05:08 PM
I'd talk to my grandfather and say, "Look, I know you don't like handguns, but it costs me fourteen bucks an hour to shoot at the range not to mention the gas. You know I'm a responsible person, I'll retrieve my brass and targets, but don't you agree that if I'm going to have a handgun, I ought to know how to use it?"

After he says yes, put your gun back in the holster, smile, tip your hat and back away out the front door.

DrLaw
May 28, 2008, 07:31 PM
Chillicothe's club or www.carthagegunclub.com?

The Doc is out now. :cool:

frogger42
May 29, 2008, 03:21 AM
Here, I'll save you a couple of bucks for targets. Go to this site, download the targets you like and print them before you head to the range.

http://www.glockfaq.com/targets.htm

If you don't like their selection, just go to google and put in "printable targets" and you'll find hundreds of free targets you can print yourself.

Now, go to the range and shoot that Glock!

Geronimo45
May 29, 2008, 02:17 PM
Some dislike of handguns comes from safety issues. My folks are gun people, but handguns worried 'em. Why? Probably because more people shoot themselves accidentally with handguns than with long guns... and movies always show the things going off if they're dropped.
Dunno what you can do about it... go over the gun's internal safeties that protect against it being dropped and such, if that's the concern. Mention how the Glock won't go off unless you pull the trigger all the way.

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