Best steel framed 9mm?


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ceadermtnboy
May 26, 2008, 10:16 AM
I like 9mm pistols, but Im not thrilled about polymer framed autos. Please give me opinions on the best of the breed and or photos of your favorites. Please give some insight on what makes them the best!

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Silvanus
May 26, 2008, 10:19 AM
I'm rather fond of my HP. Can't say what is "best" for you though...

http://i18.servimg.com/u/f18/11/50/35/28/browni10.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=52&u=11503528)

http://i40.servimg.com/u/f40/11/50/35/28/browni15.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=141&u=11503528)

GeezerwithGuns
May 26, 2008, 10:25 AM
1,000's of rounds and never a misfeed or stovepipe. What's not to like?

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/geezer99/BHP.jpg

chriske
May 26, 2008, 10:51 AM
I can't decide between my FN Hi Power and my CZ 75
That's why I'm planning to buy a SIG P-210, maybe that will settle it.

Pilot
May 26, 2008, 11:31 AM
These are my favorite all steel pistols in 9MM:

Browning Hi Power
CZ-75B
HK P7M8

armoredman
May 26, 2008, 12:06 PM
CZ-75B or CZ-75 Compact, can be carried either DA/SA, or cocked and locked, ala BHP. The only other all steel sidearm in 9mm that really caught my eye was, oddly enough, the Star M-30, long out of print.

Peter M. Eick
May 26, 2008, 12:10 PM
Best?

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/eickpm/210x2.jpg

Sig 210's. 210-6 at the top, 210-5 on the bottom. Raw quality and accuracy. The machining inside my 210s is better then the outside of most production guns.

2nd best?

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/eickpm/3p7s.jpg

H&K P7PSP's. Fixxed barrel, great ergo's.

After that, chose whatever run of the mill gun like cz or colt you want. They are all pretty much the same after shooting a 210. Basically I sold off all my other 9mm's because I stopped shooting them. Why waste a perfectly good 9mm round in a CZ75 when I could shoot it out of a 210?

Baba Louie
May 26, 2008, 12:26 PM
Great choices, all!

One might add a S&W 952 to the mix, just in the interests of "Made in the US", even tho' it was never a military or police issue, like the others.

I'd rate them:
P210
HKP7
952

BHP P35
CZ

10-Ring
May 26, 2008, 12:39 PM
BHP and P7M8

Kilted Cossack
May 26, 2008, 12:43 PM
Good choices here.

I keep trying to like the CZ75, but the trigger pull is just a little long for my hands.

I really, really like the BHP. It is, pretty much, the reason we have wondernines, and it makes the 1911 feel (forgive me, John Moses Browning!) big and bulky.

The P7---funky as all get out, but a quality artifact, soft shooting, very accurate.

I have no experience with the 210, but they're pricey with a capital PRICEY. One of these days . . .

It's a side note, and people may sneer, but I have a friend who is crazy mad happy with his Star 9mm, the little single stack version.

There are some great choices out there---have fun picking.

critter
May 26, 2008, 01:01 PM
HK P7M8.

Don't overlook the SIG 229's (or 228's).

Kahr MK9 isn't bad at all for ccw!

KrankyKraut
May 26, 2008, 01:23 PM
You didn't say best for what purpose. For example, the Sig 210 is perhaps the best 9mm for target shooting, but not the best combat 9. Similarly, my Luger P-08 is my most accurate 9mm for target shooting, but I would prefer something like the BHP or Sig P6 or SIG P228 for combat shooting.

wditto
May 26, 2008, 02:12 PM
....." Don't overlook the SIG 229's (or 228's). "......
.
.
.but he did say all-steel.....

skinewmexico
May 26, 2008, 02:20 PM
This is one of those threads that will be great for finding out every steel framed 9mm made.

jocko
May 26, 2008, 02:26 PM
k9 kahrs has to rank up there with the best of them IMO, certainly nothing smaller than the MK9 kahrs are in the same class IMO.

Lots and lots of good steel framed 9's out there,..

Geno
May 26, 2008, 02:32 PM
It's difficult for me to imagine a better, and for that matter, better-looking, steel-framed 9mm than the Browning High Power (P35).

jocko
May 26, 2008, 02:51 PM
ur definitely right on that one. no argument there on my part.

Owen
May 26, 2008, 02:53 PM
I'm a big fan of the S&W 5906

grimjaw
May 26, 2008, 03:32 PM
You will consistently find the Browning Hi-Power to be in anyone's top three list for a steel-framed 9mm. It's been cloned, it's still being produced, and it's still being used by military and police forces around the world (just not in the US).

jm

revolverman357
May 26, 2008, 03:45 PM
Browning Hi-Power.
What about Beretta 92fs? or is the frame alloy?

CA2005
May 26, 2008, 03:54 PM
Browning Hi Power, followed closely by the CZ-75.

bannockburn
May 26, 2008, 04:16 PM
I would pick my Hi-Power because it's still the first thing that comes to mind for my first choice of best steel frame 9mm. My second choice would be the MAB PA-15; definitely all steel there, and very good gun in its own right.

DevilDog0402
May 26, 2008, 04:55 PM
What about Beretta 92fs? or is the frame alloy?

Beretta 92 is an aluminum frame.

rellascout
May 26, 2008, 05:04 PM
Sig P228 and P229 are not steel framed unless it is P229ST.

The P210 was all steel.

My vote is for the BHP.

ceadermtnboy
May 26, 2008, 05:07 PM
Thanks for the responses! It seems like the Browning High power is a top choice so far, and on other websites it is always well thought of. Can anyone tell me if there are any specific year or style that is better, and if Browning is the best company to get one from? Should someone look for an older model, or are the new ones great as well?

I also would like to hear any responses about the kahr steel pistols for concealed carry. Do they shoot accurately and are the reliable, etc?

Again, please keep the ideas and photos coming, I really probably need to specify that I really am looking for opinions on the best all around 9mm, one you can use for conceal carry, or home defense, as well as plinking:D

ftierson
May 26, 2008, 05:25 PM
Star Model 30M...

:)

Forrest

GZOh
May 26, 2008, 05:32 PM
CZ 75B and CZ SP-01 Tactical!...

Hold 'em and shoot 'em BOTH and you'll know why!!

Confederate
May 26, 2008, 05:34 PM
All of these guns are excellent, but I'm surprised no one's mentioned the Smith & Wesson 59 series. The first generation had its problems, but once they were fixed, the successors have proven to be one of the best if not the best.

Aluminum frames were popular for years, but they clearly can't stand up to sustained fire without help, even the Berettas. As for polymer, only time will tell. In the meantime, I like the S&W 639/659.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/jriler/SW659_20rounder.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/jriler/SW5906_2.jpg

Gunsby_Blazen
May 26, 2008, 05:37 PM
Browning Hi Power or 1911 chambered for 9
the only ones i would consider buying, but i would probably take the hi power first as that is what it was originally designed for.
John Browning made some fine guns.

jaysouth
May 26, 2008, 05:51 PM
For range use:

1911 platform, good ones come from STI and Baer, used ones can be found from Springfield and Colt. HP is a good gun, but a 1911 has a better trigger and more aftermarket parts to swap out.

If you are stout enough to carry one they also make good CCW. I am not stout enough any more.

For daily carry:

Kahr is about as good as it gets.

col_tapiocca
May 26, 2008, 06:09 PM
1. SIG P210
2. Jericho 941 alias Baby eagle

Dobe
May 26, 2008, 06:24 PM
My first 9mm was a BHP. It was a beautiful firearm made in the 70's. I never could get use to the trigger so I sold it. I don't really regret it, although sometimes I think of getting another.

For carry, it is hard to beat the P7/P7M8. These are great handguns. I hate that they have been discontinued.

For a range gun, you can hardly find better than the 1911 in a full size gov. model. That wonderful 1911 ergonomics coupled with the 1911 trigger is a winning combination. I have mine with me now on my business trip. Mine is a Kimber Target II.

For large frame high capacity, the CZ 75B is good, but the AR-24 offers a little more. It is a very solid handgun, and a lot of fun to shoot in a well made reliable package.

bannockburn
May 26, 2008, 06:46 PM
For a Hi-Power, you really can't go wrong with one made by FN. Having said that, I do know of a number of people who have had good experiences with some of the Hi-Power clones made by FM (Argentina), and FEG (Hungary), as well.

Samuel Adams
May 26, 2008, 07:50 PM
I keep trying to like the CZ75, but the trigger pull is just a little long for my hands.
Exactly why I bought the Single Action version. The BHP is another quality steel gun.

LUPUS
May 26, 2008, 07:52 PM
Sig P210, Cz 75, Bhp, Hk P7.

jaydubya
May 26, 2008, 09:42 PM
Browning Hi Power like my T-series, blued so deeply you can lose yourself in it. Bought it in 1967; since it left Belgium it's always been mine.
Cordially, Jack

ftierson
May 26, 2008, 09:54 PM
Two other really good ones that, like the Star Model 30M, don't get much recognition:

Large frame: Astra A-100

Small frame: Astra A-75

Forrest

BlindJustice
May 26, 2008, 10:37 PM
Browning Hi Power or Pistole '35
I had one 1970s - adj. sights, the one that
sat on top of the slide and had a tall front
sight - heavy trigger pull, and magazine
dis-connect adds to it.

I'm a new owner of a CZ 75B 9MM Blued (It's Black)
reliable & accurate, - after charging a round, the
hammer can be dropped manually to quarter cock, which
takes a half inch or a little less on the trigger length of pull
after takeup. The slide rails inside the frame like the 210
must aid the accuracy.


HK P7-M8 - I handled one once - interesting gun for CCW.

A Sig 210 for Target shooting but the heel mag release is too Euro.

The CZ 75B is listed at the same Height 5.4" as a full size 1911
The SP01 has .4 additional grip size and mag is 19 + 3 over a
stanrdard B, the Compact is a 14 rd magazine.

I'm looking for a cross draw for leather.

and yes I have an all steel full size 1911 in .45 ACP
I got the CZ 75B for range economy and it ends up being
the bedside gun, and the S&W Mod. 60 goes to backup.

varoadking
May 26, 2008, 10:40 PM
Stainless steel Kahr's are both reliable and accurate, with a DAO action second to none.

Stannless SiG's are uber accurate, and unless you get a lemon - they are very reliable.

Box-stock BHP's need a professional trigger job, otherwise their accuracy cannot be beat.

The HK P7M8 is the best of all worlds...

1SOW
May 26, 2008, 11:31 PM
CZ75 9mm but I haven't handled or shot a BHP.
CZ 75 is very accurate and reliable. Mags are inexpensive, and accesories and parts are easily available.
It does have along trigger pull if DA/SA (can be set at half-cock or cocked and locked), but is also available SA only(cocked and locked)for a sweet trigger.
My 75B is well broken in and I did some trigger work and spring changes. It has a much better trigger than my Sig 239.

Curiousity
May 26, 2008, 11:54 PM
CZ 75BSA!!!!!! Great gun....

And also i got the single action version....What more can i say....Get it...

Neckshot5seven
May 27, 2008, 12:28 AM
Im going with CZ 75\Tangfolio Im fond of the EAA witness due to the design and ease of converting to other caliber. That 18 rounds of 9mm aint bad either. Fits good in my hand , but my PT1911 fits better.

blitzen
May 27, 2008, 01:29 AM
BHP gets the nod.

lechiffre
May 27, 2008, 02:15 AM
hk p7
fn hi power

ldp4570
May 27, 2008, 02:53 AM
Browning HP, HK P7PSP, S&W 5906, P08 Luger, Beretta 951(Not a Helwan) .

McCall911
May 27, 2008, 08:45 AM
Best steel framed 9mm?

Wow, if you ask 10 THR members, you'll get about 30 answers on the average.

:D

Here's two from me: S&W 5906 and Browning Hi-Power. But I could be in the market for a third soon, so I might change my answer later.

;)

SimpleIsGood229
May 27, 2008, 10:45 PM
SIG P226ST. 'Nuff said. :evil:

..
May 27, 2008, 11:52 PM
You can get the 229 in ST in the "elite" package. Absolutely love mine, finest steel framed 9mm IMO.

Don't know why all the fuss about CZ's. I had a 75ST and was unimpressed, couldn't hold a candle to my Sig. Had teething problems too.

Z-Michigan
May 27, 2008, 11:58 PM
CZ75 definitely gets my vote. AR-24 sounds great but I haven't seen one in person yet.

Browning HP is excellent too.

Steel-framed Kahrs have been great in my limited experience, but are in a different class, and fairly new as well.

If you open it up to all metal frames, you get a lot more options. And just show my a Ruger P89 that's worn out from use!

Royalsalute
May 28, 2008, 12:00 AM
The Sig P210 is my first choice.
Despite the high price tag, here is how I see things.

When you come into this world, your naked; you have nothing.
When you leave this world, you have nothing.

Money is no substitute for such a precious firearm like the P210.

The P210 is accurate, durable, a rarity, and a true work of art that can be appreciated and cherished in years to come, and who knows, it might even be a heirloom.

yongxingfreesty
May 28, 2008, 12:03 AM
beretta 92 and sig p226

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/yongxingliang/ttw.jpg

my fn hp and cz75b were also good shooters

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/yongxingliang/DSC00004-2.jpg

matt33
May 28, 2008, 01:31 AM
For an all steel 9mm, this is my favorite:
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q304/mccullm6/Picture023.jpg

Pilot
May 28, 2008, 10:06 AM
Box-stock BHP's need a professional trigger job, otherwise their accuracy cannot be beat.

That's not necessarily true. I think its hit or miss. My box stock 1994 Silver Chrome MKIII has an excellent stock trigger. Its a bit heavy, but not prohibitively so. A lighter main spring would cure that and many swap out the springs. Mine is fine so I leave it alone and yes it still has the mag safety. My BHP is my most accurate centerfire pistol, partially due to its excellent, crisp, single action trigger.

CraCZ
May 28, 2008, 12:39 PM
Well Im a CZ nut and after shooting the Armalite AR-24, Ive sold all my CZ's. Its just more refined and fits my hand like no other all steel gun. Plus it uses the EAA Witness type mags that are 16 rnds. Its the Cadilac of all the CZ clones in the $450 to $500 price range IMHO. It takes the best of the Sig P210 and CZ 75 into the AR 24.

RPCVYemen
May 28, 2008, 01:20 PM
That's not necessarily true. I think its hit or miss. My box stock 1994 Silver Chrome MKIII has an excellent stock trigger. Its a bit heavy, but not prohibitively so. A lighter main spring would cure that and many swap out the springs.

That seems to be true of HP's. I know that a lot of them have really nice triggers - but the two I have shot (one rental, one belongs to a friend) have had really crappy triggers. I assumed that it was the mag safety, but one of them had that removed, so it wasn't the mag safety.

I believe all of you when you tell me how wonderful the triggers are on your HPs, so I don't what's going on.

When 100% of my (very small) sample was crappy, I couldn't buy one. I have limited cash, and I couldn't afford to buy a pistol, an then spend hundreds on a gunsmith to fix the trigger if I got one that was bad.

I was pretty disappointed - I love the looks/history of the HP, but I really couldn't afford to buy a lemon. The friend whose HP I borrowed was very disappointed in his. He's a SA autoloader kind of a guy, and also loved the looks and history of the HP. But he's got close to a $1000 into a pistol that's just not very much fun to shoot. He warned me to try his before I bought one.

I am not intending in any way to trash the HP design - from what you guys tell me, if you get a good one, it's incredible. I really, really, really, wanted to like the HP.

So I bought an AR-24, and have been very happy with it.

The trigger is not as nice as my Ruger Blackhawk :), but it's much, much better than either of the HPs I have had an opportunity to shoot.

Mike

bac1023
June 8, 2008, 05:11 PM
Here are my 9mms. Besides the Glock 19, they are all steel framed. I'm not much of a polymer fan.


I like the S&W 952 and Sig P210 quite a bit. The X-Five is nice too, as are some others. I like Lugers as well. I have an unfired Mauser Luger on layaway right now.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_0420-1.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_0424-1.jpg

Left to right top row: HK P7M8, Sig Sauer X-Five, Sig P210-6, Sphinx Competitor, Smith & Wesson PC952, Pardini GT-9

Bottom row: Beretta 92f, Browning Hi-Power, Walther P5, CZ 75B, Glock 19, Kahr T9

belus
June 8, 2008, 06:37 PM
bac1023, what is that in the top right?

I have and love the P7, BHP and CZ75. Not sure which of these would be my favorite.

bac1023
June 8, 2008, 06:45 PM
Sorry, I just edited the post to add descriptions.

The model you asked about is a Pardini GT-9

hessy
June 8, 2008, 10:59 PM
Walther P5 and Beretta 92 are not steel-framed guns.:D

bac1023
June 8, 2008, 11:17 PM
Actually they are alloy. I wasn't thinking, because the two of them, although good, are not even close to being two of the best 9mms.

aka108
June 9, 2008, 02:16 AM
Star 30M as mentioned earlier here. Never a failure to fire or jam of any type. Not pretty or refined. 15+1 capacity. Simple safety. Owned several other 9's and have sold them off. They were prettier than the 30M but the 30M is a keeper.

berettaprofessor
June 9, 2008, 10:14 AM
Hessy is right, the Beretta M9/92 is not normally steel-framed....except that it's also made in a model called the Steel 1....all steel, heavier than normal, with straight slimmer grip, and a honey of a gun. I'd nominate it for best, but have never shot a BHP.

mattk
June 9, 2008, 10:32 AM
Browning HIPOWER!!! or if your feeling frostly a 1911 in 9mm.

hessy
June 9, 2008, 12:22 PM
Well, I'd name the Beretta Billennium as the best Berreta pistol and one of the best steel-framed 9 mm ever (http://www.berettaweb.com/Billennium/Beretta%2092%20Billennium.htm). I wish I still had one...
I will vote for BHP as the best all-around steel-framed 9 mm.

ceadermtnboy
June 9, 2008, 08:59 PM
Thanks for all of the suggestions and pictures!!:D I do love the way a steel framed 9mm shoots. I could spend more time shooting my 9mm handguns than all of my guns put together! This is just my opinion, but theese are my favorite three in the order I rank them.

1- CZ75
2- BROWNING HI POWER
3- SIG P226

I have shot the CZ and P226 , but not the High Power. That could change my mind, but I doubt it. I think the design of the CZ is the best there is, and is probably why it is copied the most. The Sig would be at the top if it were not so dang wide in the grip area, but for now the CZ is tops in my mind, and my next 9mm purchase will be a police model (P01).

redneckrepairs
June 9, 2008, 09:04 PM
Other than the HP , not my choice but yall have fun lol .

jhco
June 9, 2008, 09:10 PM
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm90/jordanharriss/cz75-1.jpg

bluetopper
June 9, 2008, 09:38 PM
bac1023, the Pardinis (9 & 45) have perked my interest a lot the last couple of years, I just have never seen one in the flesh to try. I can't bring myself to fork over the cash to buy one on a hunch and if I didn't like it I don't know how the resale on them is in the US. I do know they are THE bullseye gun in Europe however. I do though, have a Dan Wesson 9mm 1911 on order.;)
Do you have a GT-45 by chance?
A fully adjustable electronic trigger would be neat though.

bac1023
June 9, 2008, 10:22 PM
I don't have a GT-45, but the two are the same design. Its a very nice pistol.

woad_yurt
June 9, 2008, 10:26 PM
You guys are going to call me crazy but I love my Norinco 54. It's the most accurate centerire handgun I own. I shot a guy's Hi Power once and prefer the Norinco. It's a sweet, sweet gun. The trigger is magnificent. Cheap, too.

Coronach
June 9, 2008, 10:30 PM
Best steel-framed 9mm?

Browning HP-35, the "High Power." The only thing close is the P7/PSP series.

Personally, if I had to pick "greatest pistol of all time", I'd have to pick the HP as well, though the 1911 would be right there with it.

Mike

UnTainted
June 10, 2008, 12:42 AM
Ranked in order of preference:

I love my hi-power, it's a sweet shooting 9mm!

http://i18.tinypic.com/4mtx2t1.jpg


I also really like my SIG 229 Elite in 9mm barsto. Very soft shooting and accurate. (shown here with a .40 mag; it loves both).

http://i8.tinypic.com/4pv9ilj.jpg

and as a nice small CCW steel framed 9mm, I trust the MK9, flawless over 1000 rounds now; 600 ball, 400 various HP ammo.

http://i8.tinypic.com/624dzzm.jpg

Dobe
June 10, 2008, 09:38 AM
Well Im a CZ nut and after shooting the Armalite AR-24, Ive sold all my CZ's. Its just more refined and fits my hand like no other all steel gun. Plus it uses the EAA Witness type mags that are 16 rnds. Its the Cadilac of all the CZ clones in the $450 to $500 price range IMHO.

I agree. Its one of the best kept secrets in the handgun world.

ImARugerFan
June 10, 2008, 10:05 AM
I like this one, but I can't shoot it straight.. :/

http://lh6.ggpht.com/RugerRedhawk81/SAdQ57izlQI/AAAAAAAABE4/uzXqS4XlrWY/639.jpg?imgmax=512

OFT
June 10, 2008, 10:21 AM
My favorites are a Hi Power and an old Radom.

SDDL-UP
June 11, 2008, 10:12 AM
CZ-75!!!

As far as the AR-24 being more ergonomic... what? CZ does offer different frame shapes, not all CZ-75's are the same. I do think the "best" frame shape is the CZ-75B SA and the SP-01 (I think the grip shape is the same), ever so slightly better than the original CZ-75 IMO. They are all so good that I really can't see it being much of an issue, for myself anyway.

ftierson
June 11, 2008, 02:37 PM
The best steel framed 9mm is the Beretta Cougar...

Oh, you mean steel steel framed and not aluminum steel framed?

:)

Forrest

Phil DeGraves
June 11, 2008, 03:42 PM
In this order...
1911 (Colt, Kimber, Springfield)
BHP
S&W 5906
CZ 75

greg531mi
June 13, 2008, 02:10 AM
I guess I am not alone, there seems to be a Star Model 30 clan here.....
It's the pistol that is going to handed down to my son, grandson and greatgrand son, and still is going to work like new....Another great inside favorite that will be popular with collectors and shooters....
Guess I have a eye for guns that are getting collectable, like HK SL-7, 630, 91, Star Firestar Plus, Colt Pony, Autauga Mark 11, all not made anymore, and are my modern favorites....

mr.trooper
June 13, 2008, 04:36 AM
CZ no question.

The BHP is awesome....but basically its just the 50 year predecessor of the CZ.

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