I want to get another carry auto in 9mm and I have narrowed it down to the Kahr P9 and the Sig 239. Both chambered in 9mm.
Of those you have one or how have handle one, please tell me about the pro and con's of the 239. I know the 239 is about 6-7 ounces heavier than the Kahr, but I have heard a lot of negative things about the Kahr.
I was so excited to see it and wanted to like it, but after holding it in my hand I hate the feel of it!!!!!
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May 26, 2008, 09:40 AM
My 239 is a pleasure to carry; I've had it 18 months and have no regrets. I don't know anything about the Kahr.
May 26, 2008, 10:18 AM
The P239 is a great gun. Its a little heavy for its size, especially since its a single stack. The P229 isnt much bigger and is a double stack. You may want to check one of them out at the same time.
May 26, 2008, 04:17 PM
The 239 is heavy, but carries pretty well with a proper belt and holster.
Why not consider a Kahr K9?
May 26, 2008, 05:48 PM
I have a 239 in .40s&w, and it gets carried more than anything else. I'm not a big guy, and I've never found it burdensome to carry or conceal. I've had mine for 10 years, with thousand of rounds through it, and I honestly cannot remember the gun ever jamming. I can't say that about any other auto I've owned with comparable round counts.
Long and short, its a Sig. Its reliable, its accurate. I like my Kahr PM9, and it sure is handy, but the 239 still gets carried three times as often.
May 26, 2008, 06:02 PM
Why not get a G19 or G26? You can carry either comfortably.
May 26, 2008, 06:16 PM
I had the SA/DA 239 in 9mm. I haven't owned or shot a P9, but I did own a K9 and a PM9.
The 239 was a nice gun, but it's not much smaller or lighter than the G19 I replaced it with. Plus, it didn't point as well for me as the Glock. I have no complaints about its performance or reliability, however, and I don't hesitate to recommend it.
With the short, polymer grip/frame, the PM9 could be a handful (pun intended) to shoot. For such a small gun, the K9 was relatively tame. If you have the funds and don't mind the additional weight of the steel frame, I recommend the K9 over the P9. Any of Kahrs will obviously be easier to conceal vs the 239.
If you haven't already fired a Kahr, I'd recommend trying one out so you can learn what to expect from the trigger pull. It's quite different from a SA/DA SIG, and still noticeably different than a SIG DAK.
May 26, 2008, 06:50 PM
I have both the G19 and the P239 in 9mm. The G19 is a great weapon and is my second favorite 9mm after the P239. You do need to replace the smallish stock grips on the P239 with Hogue fingergrooves (this is a popular opinion among 239 owners). It's the most accurate 9mm I own and is a bit softer to shoot than the G19 though both are comfortable.
The only objections are weight and capacity. I don't carry so weight is not an issue. 239 mags are very compact so carrying extras is no biggie. At the range, the 239 is more fun to shoot and is just as "fast" handling as the G19.
The P239 was my first CCW. My daughter still has it, I loaned it to her couple years ago. I still have hopes of getting it back ...one day...Anyway, it is a great CCW, that is one of it's strongest features. It is light and thin,more accurate than I am and stone cold reliable. I have been carrying a 1911 since I loaned it to my daughter and now prefer the 1911 to anything. That said, the P239 will always remain one of my favorite handguns. Mine was in 9mm and it really likes Speer Gold Dots in 124 gr +P. That gun with that ammo is an excellent combination and I do not feel undergunned with it. I simply like the 1911 platform in .45ACP better for CCW and somewhat better stopping power.
May 26, 2008, 10:16 PM
My 239 is a constant 'home wrecker'; if I didn't own it, I would (possibly) be able to settle on a long-term relationship with one of my other guns - but the 239 is such a great carry gun that it gets holster time right along. Then again, I'm showing signs of not being a one-gun-guy.
Even so, the 239 is one solid dependable easy-to-carry pistol.
May 26, 2008, 10:19 PM
Is that an Alessi Talon in your pic?
I've been thinking of getting a Talon for my 239. I have a Talon for my S&W Model 65 and was wondering if it would work as well for the Sig 239.
How well does yours work? You pick it up from Lou direct?
May 26, 2008, 10:55 PM
Yes Trebor it is a Talon Plus and it works very well for me. I wasn't sure about the clip but it does a very good job. Lou is only an hour away so I always order direct and pick the holster up so I can hang out and bull****. He is a very nice guy to say the least.
May 26, 2008, 10:55 PM
If your goal is light weight and small profile, buy the Kahr. If you ever had to shoot either one, the Sig is the one that WILL work when you pull the trigger, is dead accurate, and is faster with follow-up shots.
Carry the standard 8 round magazine in the gun and a ten-rounder for a backup.
May 27, 2008, 06:01 AM
Owned my 9mm P239 since they came out what, twelve years ago? It's my daily carry, with 147gr Gold Dots. I trust my life to it. It has never jammed or misfed, it has thousands of rounds through it, it always goes bang, and it puts lead where I point it.
A set of Hogue fingergroove wraparound grips and trijicon night sights are worth it. The mags are not cheap but I lucked out and found a few on eBay before they stopped mag sales, wound up with 4 spares for about $15 each, in onesies and twosies.
It's a Sig. You either love them or hate them. It's what you shoot best.
May 27, 2008, 06:54 AM
The grip hides well on the 239, better than my G23. Its a bit heavier, but more comfortable. The only gripe with the 239 is the slide catch is right where I grip the gun, and I don't get slide lock on the last shot. The Hogue finger groove grips are nice, but they stick to my shirt, and they force my middle finger under the trigger gaurd causing a blister. Great gun:)
May 27, 2008, 01:58 PM
I love the 239. I don't carry it very often, because I find myself doing more pocket or ankle carry than anything else. But I agree that it's a great shooter, and the dimensions make it a great on the belt carry gun. As mentioned here before, the 232 gets carried more than anything these days.
I do find the grip to be a bit short, making it somewhat topheavy. It's just too heavy to carry concealed in my preferred manner. As noted, I think it's a perfect belt carry gun, with a jacket.
Would I trust it with my life? You bet. I'd have no hesitation in recommending it to someone.
May 27, 2008, 02:31 PM
Terrific carry pistol; if it fits your hand well and points well for you, you'll love it (most women who've handled and shot the 239 appreciate this pistol, too, as it seems to fit a lot of female hands awfully well). I recommend any SIG over any Kahr without reservation.
May 27, 2008, 03:58 PM
A great gun. Only reason I let mine go was that I have a Glock 19, which is about the same size as the 239. plus, I got a great deal for the 239, but that's another story...
May 27, 2008, 04:03 PM
First off, you should really hold and examine both pistols for yourself so you can actually see and feel what works better for you.
That said, I personally prefer the P239. You can also alter the size of the SIG's grip with a set of Hogue rubbers. Not so with the polymer frame of the Kahr. You also have more (and better, IMHO) trigger options with the SIG.
If you plan to shoot it a lot, the SIG also seems to be the better choice.
May 27, 2008, 05:28 PM
Here's a testimonial:
I'm carrying my 239 in a Galco Summer Comfort as a I write this.
My normal carry gun is a S&W Model 65, but I've been considered switching to the Sig 239 after training it with for a week at the SigArms Academy, so I finally decided to give it a "test run" all this week.
So far, two days in, it's working out pretty well for carry. I do have complete confidence in the gun, as I do the Smith, so it's going to come down to which one is more comfortable for every day carry.
May 27, 2008, 06:56 PM
If you dont like the rubber Houges (I hate them, and the finger grooves), they have some decent wood grips that offer a little more "swell" than the factory grips. I wish SIG would offer factory grips with more swell too, but I aint holding my breath.
Those are both 357SIG's, the P239 carries 7, the P229 carries 12.
May 27, 2008, 09:49 PM
I 239 and the 229 are very close. Just a 1/2 inch here and a couple onces heavier I know then I am back up to a full size carry gun. Been down that road and never carried it.:banghead: I did look at the 228 in 9mm. but I think knowing me the LITTLE extra weight and size will keep me from carring it.
May 29, 2008, 01:41 AM
Wonderful,thin and accurate.
May 29, 2008, 06:07 AM
I posted a thread like this here a bit ago and got nothing but positive responses about the P239. I was in a gun store last week end and noticed that they still had a P239 in .40 that I had looked at some time before. I made a low ball offer and I guess they really needed to move that gun, because they took it.
It was dead accurate out of the box, like my other Sigs, actually it shot better than my 226 in .40. Also, like my other Sigs, it is a "soft" shooter with much less felt recoil than comparable guns. My girl friend sticks to 9mm because of the recoil, but loves the P239, and shoots it very well. She put a hundred rounds through it last weekend and quit when the ammo was all gone, not before. Fortunately I had already run my 200 rounds through it before I let her try it.
I also have an M&P .40 compact, and while I like that gun and shoot it pretty well, the felt recoil is noticeably greater.
i have a 239 sas dak in 40. I love the thing it shoots well has never
hiccupped in the 8 months i've had it.accurate and conceals pretty well.
I am now carrying a naa guardian ..i am a little subconsious about the 239
in summer but i have put it at 4pm under a t shirt and my buddy
could not see it.He knew i was carrying but thought i had a shoulder rig
under my t shirt:) so i guess it fooled him and he was looking.
although this is a smallish pistol I would not consider it a pocket gun,,
I agree that the hogue will tend to catch your shirt.
I just bought some CT lasergrips for it .tried them out and
they seem fine so far.I still like the factory wood grips though.
the gun looks good with them on.Wish they made a 10 round mag for the 40.