[Wildalaska]

Our esteemed freshman Seantor, Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) was on the radio this am and was specifically asked about the AWB. Her response was that as of now, although anyhting can change, all her information is is that it the AWB will not even be brought up at all and will die.

Now of course those who see a half empty glass rather than a full one will probably find some bad news on this, I think its clear its...OVER......

WildyouhavehillarywehavelisahahahaAlaska

[citizen]

From her mouth to God's ear.......I pray......;)

[AZTOY]

I hope your right:D

[WonderNine]

People who frequent AWB sunset knew long ago that it will never come up for a vote. :D




Que the "it will be replaced with something worse" responses.....

[cslinger]

Please don't stop pestering your congress critters. It may be a forgone conclusion or it may not but it simply cannot hurt to let them know that we gun owners are out here and we are sick up getting the shaft. If not for this piece of garbage legislation for the next one.

Keep the heat on before, during and after it's demise.

I would suggest that if it does expire that we send our congresscritters a little donation or something to show that our energy is both positive and negative for them.

This is a nice thing to hear although I will believe when I am ordering brand new full capacity magazines and slapping a collapsable stock on the AR.

Chris

[Baba Louie]

Well then, Its time to start my Christmas 2004 list right here and now...

Hmmmm, where to start?

Something sexy and black with a pistol grip, bayonet lug, flash hider and what else... oh yeah, a few dozen hi-cap magazines maybe.

No, maybe something with wood furniture, pistol grip, etc. Yeah. One of them there FAL things with the heavy barrel, wood stock and forend, maybe a bipod...

Oh drat it. Where will I get one?
Who makes them here in the continental US of A? Still can't import 'em. GHB's exec. order.
And anybody that bought one for two mega-bucks ain't gonna want to sell it cheap.

Hmmmm.

sigh... Have to keep thinking of something I don't have that's made here in the US. (Come on H&K...open up that plant and make long guns, please)

Adios

[BigG]

Now, about that '68 Gun Control Act...

[Skunkabilly]

For starters:
http://www.hecklerkoch-usa.com/pages/military/images/hk33a2.gif
http://www.hecklerkoch-usa.com/pages/military/images/g3.gif

Two or so of these:
http://www.hecklerkoch-usa.com/pages/military/images/g36.jpg
And about 20 or 30 of these:
http://www.hecklerkoch-usa.com/pages/military/images/sa80.gif

[buzz_knox]

Better move out of Kalifornia first, Skunk.

[Intune]

Great to hear Wild! Now, my fingers & toes will stay crossed but that's normal with inbreeding!! :D

[Thumper]

Per email from majority whip Tom Delay this week:There has been a great deal of speculation regarding the renewal of the assault weapons ban and pending legislation, however,I do not believe that there are enough votes in the House for a renewal. Furthermore, I have no intention of bringing a bill up to renew this law. Please rest assured that I will continue to fight against any legislative intrusions that infringe on the Second Amendment right to bear arms that come to the House floor for a vote. -emphasis mine

Keep on writing, folks.

[cslinger]

to get that in writing, signed and notarized? I'll pay for the notary.:D

[Skunkabilly]

Better move out of Kalifornia first, Skunk.

When the ban sunsets and HK starts production, I'm quitting my job and moving, whether I have a new job or not :o

Now, about that '68 Gun Control Act...

What about that 1934 crap? :D

[BigG]

:D

[Ed Straker]

Yeah, but the president will still sign it...:)

[Thumper]

Yeah, but the president will still sign it

Sign what?

[ambidextrous1]

GWB played this one very well. When he declared his intention to sign the AWB extension, he was pretty certain that it would never reach his desk. But in saying he would sign the bill, he positioned himself closer to the center of the political spectrum, which will produce dividends in November '04.

Some of you will disagree with me, and his record isn't perfect, as we all know. but he is electable. Consider the alternatives...:uhoh:

[Bainx]

But of course! I've always trusted a politician. Heck, if you can't trust a politician, who can you trust?

:confused:

[Futo Inu]

How many naysayers was I saying this to, 2 years ago on TFL?

[citizen]

Pro'bly all of them, Futo.








But who can remember that far back??????:confused:

[Silent Bob]

I am not holding my breath. All it will take is a couple more "sniper shootings", office rampages, and school shootings in the meantime and we will be lucky to have single-shot .22s.

[Ed Straker]

Sign what?

Anything that replaces that which is allegedly sunsetting which will be worse.

[Drjones]

But what does this mean for CA?

We still won't be able to have any cool toys, huh?

:cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

[Geech]

I really hope this is true.

[Thumper]

Anything that replaces that which is allegedly sunsetting which will be worse

Bush's stance, as a matter of public record, is that he would sign a renewal of the existing ban if it crosses his desk.

Do you understand?

Futo, did you go back and read any of the AWB sunset threads from TFL? There is a marked distinction between the pre 9/11 opinions and post 9/11.

[Ed Straker]

Look how much apprehension there is on this thread. We all hope good things will happen, but... I bet I'm not the most cynical person on this board...

[Old Fuff]

I think the celebration is starting a little early ….

We are talking about something that won’t happen for over a year, if then. And as some have pointed out a lot can happen in the meantime. You can bet you’re bottom dollar that “Sarah and friends” aren’t going to give up, and they have the Democrat Party (or at least most of it) on they’re side. Also of course the national media - almost all of it.

So if you want to celebrate do so by writing still another letter to you’re congress-person and senator, telling them yet again what you want. Since most of them are not too bright they need to hear it over, and over, and over again.

One good thing to point out is that they’re really wasn’t much of a ban. All of the guns and large capacity magazines made before 1994 were exempt - that’s why they are called “pre-ban.” In addition thousands more “evil black rifles” have been built - less a bayonet lug and flash hider, and with a 10-round magazine. Yet crime involving these kinds of firearms didn’t go up, and remain a single digit percentage of the guns the FBI has identified as used by criminals. Given this FACT there is little reason to continue to ban something simply because “some people” think it’s their business to mind what others can or can’t have.

[Thumper]

So if you want to celebrate do so by writing still another letter to you’re congress-person and senator, telling them yet again what you want. Since most of them are not too bright they need to hear it over, and over, and over again.

'Zactly.

[Carlos]

I hope it stays this way.

:)

[jimpeel]

Never, never, never say it’s over until it’s over!

All it will take for this monsrter to once again rear its ugly head is for some nut to go on a rampage. When the headlines start screaming “XXXX Gunman Was Armed With Assault Weapon”; “Assault Weapon Use In XXXX Shooting Blamed For Number Of Deaths”; “Assault Weapon Mows Down Innocents In XXXX Shooting”; “Madman With Assault Weapon Kills XXXX” you will see the Pols falling over each other to get in the first sound bite on how the WAB must be extended.

Never, never, never say it’s over until it’s over!

[C.R.Sam]

And never, never take the heat off of politicians and other criminals.

Sam

[Waitone]

AWB renewal is dead FOR THIS SESSION OF CONGRESS.

You can count on it being reintroduced for the next session, ohhh say, February 2004. Democrats want spinelessrepublicans on the record as having opposed the AWB renewal. No vote will be taken, but the bill will be batted around prior to the campaign.

[opus1776]

Old Fuff and Waitone are the closest to getting the scenario correct. This is what I fear: A horsetrade and midnight deal. MEANING that the dems give up their opposition to the lawsuit liability bill for gun manufacturers IF the dems can attach the reauthorization of the AWB. This is what I fear the most. The gun industry would go along with it, but we would get screwed in the end. :cuss:

[twoblink]

Don't count your chickens before they hatch, especially when congress critters are involved. 11th hour deals are known and FREQUENT... So keep writing, keep bugging..

When it's all over, then we celebrate..

[chas_martel]

You people are so funny talking like GW will not sign another replace bill just
because you think he was playing "smart" politics with his statement regarding
signing the current bill again.

I ask you, how many times has he veto'd anything?

If any anti-gun bill reaches his desk, it will be signed. He does not do veto's,
check his record as governer.

I hated to be the "que'd" party pooper, but a new and improved AWB is
coming our way. Count on it.

Oh, and get to writing those letters.

[Lone_Gunman]

I don't think a bill will ever get to Bush.

Get ready to lose some money on those Pre-Bans!!!

[Bruce H]

If there isn't anything the day after it sunsets I'll believe it. The amount of trust I have for those inside the beltway would fill a very small thimble.

[HBK]

The pics in Skunkabilly's post...I want those.

[roscoe]

I recently read a reasonable opinion at KTOG from Flyer, who pointed argued that, since the new ban is set to include M1 carbines, it would never get off the ground. There are just too many old-timers who have those guns and they are viewed as historical items rather than a threat to the overall safety. It sounds to me like the the anti-gunners are throwing every semi rifle they can into the bill so they can say they tried, knowing it will get nowhere.

[HBK]

We can hope...:scrutiny:

[Mark Tyson]

If it does sunset, we need to support those politicians who made it happen - the ones who really support RKBA like Ron Paul and Zell Miller. Have a "morning after" letter ready to send them thanking them. Then we need to keep this momentum going. It will be harder for the enemy to initiate a whole new gun control bill from scratch once this atrocious law is history.

Keep those letters going ...

[Ed N.]

Guys, it'll sunset. Nobody will touch it so close to the election.

BUT, it'll be back. Once the new congress is seated in '05, it'll be brought up again. By summer '05 we'll have a new ban.

We'll get a short window, probably 6 to 12 months, with no ban.

[Yanus]

After putting on my Karnak hat and polishing my crystal ball, I will make the following prediction:

1. AWB sunsets.
2. 2004 election takes place.
3. 2005 Congress comes in.
4. The REAL battle for our rights begin as GW will be a lame duck and can do as he pleases without fear of reelection.

This is when the real action will begin.............. So, in '04', vote early and often.............:neener:

Yanus

[TheOtherOne]

I'm with jimpeel, just one incident where some madman shoots up a school/daycare/office/etc. with something like an AK with a 30 round magazine and that'll give the anti-gun groups all they need. They can then whine on every TV news show that congress is uncaring and wants to make these evil high capacity assault weapons legal again.

If there are two or three whackos that shoot people with anything the media can even remotely describe as an assault weapon, then we can also get all these extra "improvements" added in to the new ban:

The current definition must be improved to capture all assault weapons. The most critical improvement is to ensure that the term “assault weapon” includes all guns that are, in fact, assault weapons. The definition should include firearms that accept a detachable ammunition magazine and incorporate one other assault weapon characteristic such as a pistol grip or folding stock. Currently, the law requires the presence of two such characteristics before a gun is labeled an“assault weapon.” The narrowness of this definition has resulted in aproliferation of post-ban assault weapons, including legal versions of guns—suchas the TEC-9 and AR-15—banned by name by the 1994 law. In addition, somediscretion should be granted to the Department of the Treasury to determinewhether any particular weapon constitutes an “assault weapon.”

The list of assault weapon characteristics should be revised to delete some extraneous characteristics and better define others. For example, bayonet mounts should be deleted from the definition. The ability to attach a bayonet to the barrel of a gun has no bearing on whether the firearm functions as an assault weapon. The term “pistol grip” should be clarified to include so-called“thumbhole stocks,” or any other design feature that performs the same function.

The term “firearm” as used in the assault weapons ban should be clarified toinclude the frame or receiver of a prohibited gun. The “receiver” of any firearmis its major working part. Receivers and frames are defined by the Gun ControlAct of 1968 as “firearms.” The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, however, has adopted a different interpretation of this basic federal gun law in the case of assault weapons, determining that the term “firearm” as applied toassault weapons does not include receivers or frames. This interpretation allows gun dealers and wholesalers to sell new receivers of otherwise banned guns.Furthermore, all of the other parts necessary to make an assault weapon arereadily available, often sold as “parts kits.” Compounding this problem is the factthat it is legal for an individual to manufacture a firearm for personal use. Thedefinition of “assault weapon” should make it clear that it includes assaultweapon receivers and frames.

Manufacturers must be prohibited from using pre-ban, high-capacity ammunitionmagazines in post-ban assault weapons. Under the 1994 law, no new firearm may be manufactured or sold in the United States with an ammunition magazinethat has a capacity greater than 10 rounds. Assault weapon manufacturers arecircumventing the law by equipping new guns with “grandfathered” high-capacity magazines of 10 rounds or more. This practice should be prohibited.

Importation of high-capacity ammunition magazines must be prohibited. Currently, ATF regulations allow for the importation of foreign-made high-capacity magazines manufactured prior to the 1994 ban. This not only ensures that therewill always be a supply of high-capacity magazines available for sale in the United States, but also dramatically increases the possibility that the manufacture dateof new high-capacity magazines can be falsified.

Yeah, straight from VPC... they are not going to give up on the ban just because they think it doesn't have a good chance of getting renewed. We shouldn't be giving up either.

[Black92LX]

So if the AWB were to sunset what would the date be that i could purchase those beauties posted by skunkabilly, and how much would i be expecting to pay???

[Erik]

Fingers crossed...