[throdgrain]

Ive been trying to buy a Rem 870 Wingmaster, either a very nice secondhand one or a new one, in 26" barrel or shorter.

Ok, this is what you wont believe.

1. I can't find one anywhere! The closest is about about 100 miles away, isnt in that good condition and has a Cutts compensator fitted, which I didnt really want. Its selling for the equivelant of about $575.

2. My local (very good) shop has quoted me about $1200 for a new one, but only in 28", the 26" barrel could take upwards of 2 months to deliver.

People just dont like pump action guns round here :(

[Cougfan2]

My friend, I think you're shopping at the wrong gun shops. $1200 for an 870 is outrageous! :eek: Look on GunBroker. There's tons of them there.

Your location says south of London. Are you in the UK? If so I thought they had banned pump guns there.

[BattleChimp Potemkin]

My friend, I think you're shopping at the wrong gun shops. $1200 for an 870 is outrageous! Look on GunBroker. There's tons of them there.


Look where he is posting from. Considering the area you live in Throdgrain, I would say that the pricing isnt terrible (even though the 1200 is a little high, despite where the 870 is sold).

[Cougfan2]

Look where he is posting from.

You make a good point. I'm sure firearms in general are much more expensive in the UK.

[throdgrain]

£660 was the best price I got, and this is from a shop I buy HUGE amounts af ammo from every year.

To give you an idea, people do spend more on shotguns here, probably becuase they are more expensive (!) but also because with all the stuff you have to do to get a licence, we're talking about only hardcore shooters who bother...

To give you an idea, an Mossberg 500a sells for about £350 new, a Beretta 68x (easily the most popular gun on the clay ground)for £1200 upwards I guess.


Pump guns arn't banned here at all, nor semi-autos, but they have to be limited to 2+1.

[Cougfan2]

Pump guns arn't banned here at all, nor semi-autos, but they have to be limited to 2+1.

I may have been thinking about Scotland when I brought up the pump gun ban or some other European country.

[throdgrain]

No mate Scotland and Wales have much the same laws as us, we're all one country basically.


(The scots may argue about this, but then they're still going on about Bannockburn some of em :p )

[Cougfan2]

The scots may argue about this, but then they're still going on about Bannockburn some of em

LOL :D

[Blakenzy]

What wouldn't we believe?

You live in an antigun country, you can't find the shotgun of your choice and whatever you DO manage to find is fantastically overpriced. It all adds up to me...

[throdgrain]

What can I do? I'm still English... I can only hope to change things.

[Chipperman]

South of London?

Why would you want a nasty ol' Remmy, when Purdey's are a dime-a-dozen where you are?



:neener:

[throdgrain]

Heh Ive never even seen one mate :) To me, guns with two barrels are guns with one barrel too many :D

[Bullet Bob]

That's just the way it is. I drive a BMW, and I understand from BMW Car Club members in Great Britain that my same car is much more expensive there than here.

Personally, if you really wanted one and had the money to spare, I'd order the one I want - two months just isn't that long. I have an 870 in 20 gauge with a 26" barrel, and love it, despite the current fascination here with barrels long enough to poke the birds out of the sky if you miss with the shot.

[MAX100]

The two months wait will probably end up being four months but you will be getting what you want. If you don't order it, in four months, you will be saying I could have already had my shotgun by now.



GC

[axeman_g]

ha... this shows you that people are funny all over the world. If I lived in England I would spend my days and nights acquiring Purdey's, Churchhills, H&H etc etc and continental guns till I was posterior deep in blued steel.

An 870 Wingmaster... quality shotgun, but my lord man your in the land of sporting guns!

[throdgrain]

Axeman you are of course completely right. We all like what we like :) I happen to like pump action and semi auto shotguns. Even though not many other people claim to like pump actions, there's often someone at the clay ground who wants to try out my Mossberg :)

As far as Purdeys etc go, well I cant stand side by sides anyway, but more importantly a new H&H retails at about £70,000, thats about $138,000, so it's only either the landed gentry who could aford one, or possilby Madonna lol :D

[Dave McCracken]

Bummer. To me, $1200 is more like 5 870s.

[jimmyraythomason]

So..I should feel pretty good about getting my (used but beautiful)Wingmaster for $160.00 a few years ago,huh?

[Gary A]

Bummer. To me, $1200 is more like 5 870s.

So..I should feel pretty good about getting my (used but beautiful)Wingmaster for $160.00 a few years ago,huh?

Man, you guys sure are rubbing salt into his wound!! ;)
Seriously, I would and have ponied up and paid through the nose if it was something I really wanted and couldn't get otherwise. You do what you gotta do. The 870 should last a long, long time. Longer than the money you spent for it would last.

BTW, being a Scot by ancestry, I can understand still basking in the glow of Bannockburn. The North shall rise again! (OK, maybe not.) :D

[PJR]

I suspect that £660 includes the Value Added Tax which was 17.5% the last time I checked. It also includes the cost of shipping and the increasingly more complicated paperwork challenges of exporting a gun from America.

The gun would presumably also have to be proofed when it landed in the U.K. adding an additional cost. European proof houses don't recognize SAAMI.

It's also a relatively rare item in the U.K. so would have to be specially ordered. The cost of living in the U.K. particularly for imported consumer goods is very high relative to North America is very

Put that all together and it's not hard to see how the price can rise dramatically.

[throdgrain]

Dont forget Culloden I'd probably say :p

Anyway! I believe the retail for a Wingmaster is about £750. But as you say they're not a popular gun over here, but I still want one.

The most frequent comment when Im shooting my Mossberg is "are you going up the bank after you've shot here?" i.e. implying it's a bank robbers gun ...

[Oldnamvet]

A mossberg pump as a bank robbers gun? I wonder what their reaction would be to a saiga with pistol grip??:D

[axeman_g]

Thodgrain.... just so you know it would take me a century to save up for a H&H!!!

I shoot semi's and autos here also. SxSs are expensive everywhere. Let me ask you, what does a Beretta 391 Urika go for in the London area? Can you find Browning shotguns or FN versions such as the A5 or BPS?

[throdgrain]

One of my shooting pals has a Auto 5 he uses now and then, cost about £600 and it's mint.

Here you can see a Urika sells (http://www.johnforsey.co.uk/shotguns_auto.html#saberetta) for £895, thats about $1550 I suppose.In fairness our currency is really strong against the dollar these days, which doesnt help. We used to be all of us buying stuff in Europe but now the Euro has firmed up a lot we'll probably start chucking our money your way instead :)

Like everywhere, over and unders are much more expensive than autos, the only differrence is on the avarage clay ground if you had 100 people there I'd guess maybe 68 would have o/u's, 28 semi autos and 3 side by sides and one pump action.

And that would be me :D

[axeman_g]

Your gun prices seem to be about 80% more then ours here in the states. Possibly taxes and legislative fees.

I am sorry to say, and I mean no offense by this statement, but I think that is where the USA is headed.

[Gary A]

Culloden - Scots fought on both sides of that one and still managed to get the short end of the stick...:banghead: :cuss: :).

we'll probably start chucking our money your way instead

Please do. I've been running a little short what with the price of "petrol".

[throdgrain]

To be honest Axeman it's not the price of the gun I mind so much, after all I dont buy a new gun every week and I certainly get a lot of use out of one, what bugs me is that I can't even get one anyway! :(

Gary A - you're right they did fight on both sides, but you know how it is, people choose to write history to suit themselves.

I believe doctors call it the MelGibson/Hollywood complex :D