97guns
May 28, 2008, 05:24 PM
are they still making handguns or are they done with them?
so whats the deal w/colt - no civilian sales right?
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Linda
May 28, 2008, 05:26 PM
Huh? Why do you think that? They are still retailing handguns.
97guns
May 28, 2008, 05:37 PM
didn't they make that announcment a few years back?
rcmodel
May 28, 2008, 05:41 PM
Just various 1911's and Custom Shop Single-Actions.
The DA revovlers and small caliber auto's are long gone.
Colt Commercial:
http://www.coltsmfg.com/cmci/home.asp
Colt Defense:
http://colt.com/
Effective November 4, 2002, Colt completed reorganizing its operations into separate military and commercial businesses. As a result Colt Defense, LLC was established to conduct the business of manufacturing and selling military products while Colt’s Manufacturing Company, Inc. will continue to manufacture and sell commercial products.
rcmodel
The DA revovlers and small caliber auto's are long gone.
Colt Commercial:
http://www.coltsmfg.com/cmci/home.asp
Colt Defense:
http://colt.com/
Effective November 4, 2002, Colt completed reorganizing its operations into separate military and commercial businesses. As a result Colt Defense, LLC was established to conduct the business of manufacturing and selling military products while Colt’s Manufacturing Company, Inc. will continue to manufacture and sell commercial products.
rcmodel
Hoppy590
May 28, 2008, 06:06 PM
eh, if you ask me colt is another company that caters to the .gov and has the goal of keeping them happy, even at our cost.
too many colt/HK/rugers not enough Ronnie Barretts
too many colt/HK/rugers not enough Ronnie Barretts
Harve Curry
May 28, 2008, 06:32 PM
I don't know what you guys are talking about. I conversed directly with COLT by phone, FAX ,and mail about making my SAA. There was a delay in time but it worked out.
rcmodel
May 28, 2008, 06:36 PM
Colt was on the verge of bankruptcy, and made a sound business decision to concentrate on large military contracts.
Truth be known, the civilian revolver business was probably bleeding them to death every time they sold a gun.
Which wasn't very often there towards the end.
rcmodel
Truth be known, the civilian revolver business was probably bleeding them to death every time they sold a gun.
Which wasn't very often there towards the end.
rcmodel
steveracer
May 28, 2008, 06:36 PM
I bought a Colt model 6920 last year. New.
Gator
May 28, 2008, 06:45 PM
Colt is still limping along. 1911s, SAAs, and ARs are all they make these days.
Jim K
May 28, 2008, 06:48 PM
Colt has effectively withdrawn from the handgun market in MD by flat refusing to send a fired cartridge case with their guns. We recognize that that law has been useless and that it costs money to comply, but many potential Colt buyers would pay extra in order to buy a Colt. Colt has not given them that option.
In the "old days" of the 1980's, S&W was outselling Colt in the DA revolver market by something like 20 to 1, partly due to the high cost of hand work to fit the Colt's antiquated design. Instead of working to meet the competition, Colt simply withdrew from that market, feeling that their military and police contracts for the AR-15/M16 would be sufficient for continued profits.
The fact is that since around 1960, Colt has never cared about the civilian market. In spite of repeated reorganizations and continual management turnovers, that picture has not changed. Further, they have a history of going counter to demands, bypassing trends (OK, fads) that could have made them big money. I see no change in the foreseeable future, except a complete withdrawal from the civilian market.
I expect to see a reply to the effect that Mr. X or Gen. Y or Ms. Z is now in charge and is determined to "turn the fine old company around." It is an old song, but there is never any dancing to the tune. Mr. X or Gen. Y or Ms. Z will spend days on the golf course until he or she has milked the company long enough to build up a nice golden parachute, then bail out.
Jim
In the "old days" of the 1980's, S&W was outselling Colt in the DA revolver market by something like 20 to 1, partly due to the high cost of hand work to fit the Colt's antiquated design. Instead of working to meet the competition, Colt simply withdrew from that market, feeling that their military and police contracts for the AR-15/M16 would be sufficient for continued profits.
The fact is that since around 1960, Colt has never cared about the civilian market. In spite of repeated reorganizations and continual management turnovers, that picture has not changed. Further, they have a history of going counter to demands, bypassing trends (OK, fads) that could have made them big money. I see no change in the foreseeable future, except a complete withdrawal from the civilian market.
I expect to see a reply to the effect that Mr. X or Gen. Y or Ms. Z is now in charge and is determined to "turn the fine old company around." It is an old song, but there is never any dancing to the tune. Mr. X or Gen. Y or Ms. Z will spend days on the golf course until he or she has milked the company long enough to build up a nice golden parachute, then bail out.
Jim
SaxonPig
May 28, 2008, 07:24 PM
The Python (http://www.fototime.com/CD60409C0D38CBB/standard.jpg) and the Diamondback (http://www.fototime.com/043A4423DA6E0CE/standard.jpg) (Python in back) are selling for astronomical sums yet Colt can't make new ones for a profit?
Where are the Troopers (http://www.fototime.com/56ECBB11DA48F39/standard.jpg) and the Official Police (http://www.fototime.com/A57E03BC42BB8AE/standard.jpg) models?
How about the Officers Model Target (http://www.fototime.com/AC9913783187746/standard.jpg) and even the Mk III models like this Metropolitan (http://www.fototime.com/FC8CF0CA88A0620/standard.jpg) are sorely missed.
Very sad.
Where are the Troopers (http://www.fototime.com/56ECBB11DA48F39/standard.jpg) and the Official Police (http://www.fototime.com/A57E03BC42BB8AE/standard.jpg) models?
How about the Officers Model Target (http://www.fototime.com/AC9913783187746/standard.jpg) and even the Mk III models like this Metropolitan (http://www.fototime.com/FC8CF0CA88A0620/standard.jpg) are sorely missed.
Very sad.
Mooseman
May 28, 2008, 10:43 PM
Here's an idea, they should sell their unused equipment to Taurus. There's a company that doesn't seem overly afraid of going out on a limb. Sorta kidding, sorta not:uhoh:
DPris
May 28, 2008, 10:46 PM
Colt's older DA design cannot compete in today's market, period.
It will never return as a general production line at Colt.
If anybody could bring it back, it'd be USFA, but relatively few people would pay the high prices to buy one.
Denis
It will never return as a general production line at Colt.
If anybody could bring it back, it'd be USFA, but relatively few people would pay the high prices to buy one.
Denis
MICHAEL T
May 28, 2008, 10:52 PM
Colt is making very nice 1911 pistols at present time I have a New Agent and it well made. They had a large display at the NRA Convention in Louisville. Their coming out with a DA only New Agent later in year. I take my Colts any day over that Kimber I bought.
Redhat
May 28, 2008, 10:58 PM
97Guns,
Mind sharing where you heard that rumor?
Mind sharing where you heard that rumor?
Guillermo
May 28, 2008, 11:45 PM
Colt, the once proud company, is nearly gone. They still sell a few handguns but their government contracts are drying up.
They also got a big loan from the state so they can't sell or move.
They are a great example of how not to run a company.
They also got a big loan from the state so they can't sell or move.
They are a great example of how not to run a company.
esheato
May 28, 2008, 11:49 PM
I bought a NIB Colt 1911 not even six months ago. Service was fast and the gun is damn nice for the price. I wouldn't say they're out of the running yet...
Ed
Ed
plexreticle
May 28, 2008, 11:59 PM
I thought I read somewhere the Colt SAAs are made in Italy.
DPris
May 29, 2008, 01:32 AM
Colts are not made in Italy.
Denis
Denis
outerlimit
May 29, 2008, 01:43 AM
I thought I read somewhere the Colt SAAs are made in Italy.
The Uberti SAA clones are made in Italy. Perhaps you are also confusing them with the Beretta single action revolvers?
Colts are not made in Italy.
The Uberti SAA clones are made in Italy. Perhaps you are also confusing them with the Beretta single action revolvers?
Colts are not made in Italy.
Big Boomer
May 29, 2008, 02:40 AM
I'll be picking up one of the new model delta elites when they come out.
CWL
May 29, 2008, 02:43 AM
I never understand how some people would rather spread groundless rumors than do a simple Google search.
If you'd bother to enter "Colt pistol" in any search engine, you'd get this:
http://www.coltsmfg.com/cmci/pistols.asp
But what do I know, I only live in CA just bought a Colt Combat Commander.
If you'd bother to enter "Colt pistol" in any search engine, you'd get this:
http://www.coltsmfg.com/cmci/pistols.asp
But what do I know, I only live in CA just bought a Colt Combat Commander.
Guillermo
May 29, 2008, 09:36 AM
Colt, using a great deal of outsourcing is still limping along. Wait time is an issue but if you are patient you can get some of their products. (McBrides says "months" for a SAA since they still make it. The outsourced stuff is more easily available. Like the Canadian rifles)
Of course being America, you can spend your money anyway you want. If you desire to send your money to Sarah Brady's favorite gun company, go ahead.
Of course being America, you can spend your money anyway you want. If you desire to send your money to Sarah Brady's favorite gun company, go ahead.
Rexster
May 29, 2008, 09:42 AM
There are plenty of Colts in stock at a large local dealer near me. It is laughable to see all the internet rumors of Colt's demise; such have been posted repeatedly over the last decade, but Colt firearms have been available the whole time. Yes, Colt as a company has had problems, but there is a demand, and they have been filling it. OK, so the DA revolvers went away, but really, the market largely dried up for a while, so dropping that line may have been the wisest business decision at the time. If Colt were to get back into the DA sixgun business, it would probably be best to do it with a less labor-intensive design.
Rexster
May 29, 2008, 09:49 AM
Colts SAAs are NOT made in Italy! Colt briefly imported a line of CAP AND BALL pistol parts from Italy, which BTW, were so well-assembled and finished that there is a demand for them as collectibles in and of themselves.
Colt SAAs, and two of the leading "clone" pistols, USFA and STI, and totally made in the USA. USFA did start with Uberti parts, assembled in Hartford, but is now all-USA.
This is not difficult to verify. Verification is best not done by debate on an internet forum, where rumors never die.
Colt SAAs, and two of the leading "clone" pistols, USFA and STI, and totally made in the USA. USFA did start with Uberti parts, assembled in Hartford, but is now all-USA.
This is not difficult to verify. Verification is best not done by debate on an internet forum, where rumors never die.
Hawk
May 29, 2008, 01:17 PM
Colt's is still alive. The SAA was always made in CT.
But they have become a boutique manufacturer. ATF's 2006 report shows Colt's produced roughly 3K revolvers and 16K pistols. That's out of a domestic production of around 400K revolers and a million pistols. Add in imports and their market share is a fraction of 1%.
For those of us that can remember Colt actually having a significant portion of the new product market, coming to grips with the fact that they're closer to Freedom Arms and STI (in production numbers) than either Ruger or S&W takes a while to sink in.
Decent stuff and still alive but most definitely no longer the market force they once were.
IMHO, their production took in the shorts far harder than their name. While market share is a vanishingly small fraction of what it once was, the name seems to have been hardly impacted at all. Hence, we expect to see new product everywhere and this is about as realistic as finding Freedom Arms and STI 2011s scattered in every corner shop's display counter and this simply isn't in the cards. The internet abhors a vacuum so we invent stuff like "no civilian sales" and "out of business" to explain the discrepancy. There really isn't a discrepancy, they just don't make much anymore.
But they have become a boutique manufacturer. ATF's 2006 report shows Colt's produced roughly 3K revolvers and 16K pistols. That's out of a domestic production of around 400K revolers and a million pistols. Add in imports and their market share is a fraction of 1%.
For those of us that can remember Colt actually having a significant portion of the new product market, coming to grips with the fact that they're closer to Freedom Arms and STI (in production numbers) than either Ruger or S&W takes a while to sink in.
Decent stuff and still alive but most definitely no longer the market force they once were.
IMHO, their production took in the shorts far harder than their name. While market share is a vanishingly small fraction of what it once was, the name seems to have been hardly impacted at all. Hence, we expect to see new product everywhere and this is about as realistic as finding Freedom Arms and STI 2011s scattered in every corner shop's display counter and this simply isn't in the cards. The internet abhors a vacuum so we invent stuff like "no civilian sales" and "out of business" to explain the discrepancy. There really isn't a discrepancy, they just don't make much anymore.
DevilDog0402
May 29, 2008, 01:53 PM
The Python and the Diamondback (Python in back) are selling for astronomical sums yet Colt can't make new ones for a profit?
They're going for astronomical sums BECAUSE Colt isn't making them anymore ;)
They're going for astronomical sums BECAUSE Colt isn't making them anymore ;)
Guillermo
May 29, 2008, 02:52 PM
A few facts:
Colt was in chapter 11 and would have gone out of business were it not bought (85% share) Donald Zilkha.
Donald Zilkha donates money to Chuck Schumer’s reelection campaign.
The M-16 that Colt “makes” are produced my FN USA.
They still manufacture SAA with LONG delivery times and some quality issues.
They outsource like Dell
Donald Zilkha has propped the company up at least twice with his own money
Pennsylvania bought the rights to the Colt name for 10 million
They still owe tons of legal fees over the cities suing gun manufacturers (which they thought blowing Clinton would stop)
They still are in debt from their development of the “smart gun” the “iColt”. They expected to get some government cash that never materialized. Nor did the “smart gun.”
Colt Defense still makes a few M-4s and will continue to until the end of their current contract (they lost every military competition for new weapons contracts to Beretta, HK, Rock River (BATF))
This is not a healthy company.
Colt was in chapter 11 and would have gone out of business were it not bought (85% share) Donald Zilkha.
Donald Zilkha donates money to Chuck Schumer’s reelection campaign.
The M-16 that Colt “makes” are produced my FN USA.
They still manufacture SAA with LONG delivery times and some quality issues.
They outsource like Dell
Donald Zilkha has propped the company up at least twice with his own money
Pennsylvania bought the rights to the Colt name for 10 million
They still owe tons of legal fees over the cities suing gun manufacturers (which they thought blowing Clinton would stop)
They still are in debt from their development of the “smart gun” the “iColt”. They expected to get some government cash that never materialized. Nor did the “smart gun.”
Colt Defense still makes a few M-4s and will continue to until the end of their current contract (they lost every military competition for new weapons contracts to Beretta, HK, Rock River (BATF))
This is not a healthy company.
krs
May 29, 2008, 03:38 PM
Guillermo,
Can't find a SAA? Nonsense...http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/index.php/cPath/21_141
in stock, ready to ship. Take your pick.
Can't find a SAA? Nonsense...http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/index.php/cPath/21_141
in stock, ready to ship. Take your pick.
Guillermo
May 29, 2008, 03:51 PM
I did NOT say that you can't find them. :banghead: Wait times are long if you order them. Some stores refuse to stock them because of the long delays for stock AND repairs.
My point is simple, this is not a healthy company. They are still doing a little business. Colt is NOT out of business, although I have not seen any in a gun case for a long time. (I have at gun shows)
In addition to their hanging on by the skin of their teeth financially, which I admit is a totally separate issue, politically they are sell outs.
Hey, send your money to a Chuck Schumer loving company. It is absolutely your right to do so. Send it to Sarah Brady if you want. Buy a lowrider Yugo. For now this is still America.
My point is simple, this is not a healthy company. They are still doing a little business. Colt is NOT out of business, although I have not seen any in a gun case for a long time. (I have at gun shows)
In addition to their hanging on by the skin of their teeth financially, which I admit is a totally separate issue, politically they are sell outs.
Hey, send your money to a Chuck Schumer loving company. It is absolutely your right to do so. Send it to Sarah Brady if you want. Buy a lowrider Yugo. For now this is still America.
Gunsby_Blazen
May 29, 2008, 03:59 PM
What are you talking about?? i got brand new colts coming into my local gun shops, and people buy them all the time.
but, if there is something for me to worry about, let me know ok...
but, if there is something for me to worry about, let me know ok...
Guillermo
May 29, 2008, 04:16 PM
Okay guys,
I will drink the koolaid
Slurp…Colt DIDN”T have to pay Bushmaster’s legal fees and their own over the use of the term M4
Slurp…Colt is in GREAT financial shape and Donald Zilkha isn’t propping it up with his own money
Slurp…they are known for fast shipping times and fast, quality service
Slurp…They are getting so many contracts from the U.S. Government that they have to turn them down
Gargle…They have no debt
Swallow…The iColt is the best weapon in the world
Chug-a-chug…they proved their worth fighting the Clinton Administration
Slurp…they do not outsource
Sip…this stuff tastes like crap…Colt was never in Chapter 11
Sip…they own the Colt name, not Pennsylvania. The state just GAVE them 10 million because they were so honored to have them in the state
Slurp…I see Colts in every gun shop, proudly displayed
Glug… Donald Zilkha does not support the likes of Chuck Schumer AND Chucky is really pro gun
Belch…how do you guys drink this stuff. I am about to ralph
:eek:
I will drink the koolaid
Slurp…Colt DIDN”T have to pay Bushmaster’s legal fees and their own over the use of the term M4
Slurp…Colt is in GREAT financial shape and Donald Zilkha isn’t propping it up with his own money
Slurp…they are known for fast shipping times and fast, quality service
Slurp…They are getting so many contracts from the U.S. Government that they have to turn them down
Gargle…They have no debt
Swallow…The iColt is the best weapon in the world
Chug-a-chug…they proved their worth fighting the Clinton Administration
Slurp…they do not outsource
Sip…this stuff tastes like crap…Colt was never in Chapter 11
Sip…they own the Colt name, not Pennsylvania. The state just GAVE them 10 million because they were so honored to have them in the state
Slurp…I see Colts in every gun shop, proudly displayed
Glug… Donald Zilkha does not support the likes of Chuck Schumer AND Chucky is really pro gun
Belch…how do you guys drink this stuff. I am about to ralph
:eek:
seeker_two
May 29, 2008, 04:35 PM
Wonder how long until Pennsylvania sells the Colt name to another company?....
Hawk
May 29, 2008, 07:22 PM
What are you talking about?? i got brand new colts coming into my local gun shops, and people buy them all the time.
They show up but they're not ubiquitous. They represent well under 1% of the total market in both revolvers and pistols.
One local shop here keeps a pretty fair selection of Galazan shotguns - doesn't mean CSMC is is producing like Mossberg or Remington or even Beretta or Browning.
I don't know if Colt is now tiny and profitable or larger and breathing gas. Whatever they are, they aren't making many guns. They wouldn't understate figures to the ATF and those numbers are shockingly small to anyone that remembers another time.
And, anyone can check them out.
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/stats/afmer/afmer2006.pdf
They show up but they're not ubiquitous. They represent well under 1% of the total market in both revolvers and pistols.
One local shop here keeps a pretty fair selection of Galazan shotguns - doesn't mean CSMC is is producing like Mossberg or Remington or even Beretta or Browning.
I don't know if Colt is now tiny and profitable or larger and breathing gas. Whatever they are, they aren't making many guns. They wouldn't understate figures to the ATF and those numbers are shockingly small to anyone that remembers another time.
And, anyone can check them out.
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/stats/afmer/afmer2006.pdf
mec
May 29, 2008, 07:29 PM
There are selections of new colt SAAs at Praco in Waco, TX and Sportsman's Finest in Beecave, TX/
dfariswheel
May 29, 2008, 07:58 PM
The M-16 that Colt “makes” are produced my FN USA
Wrong.
Colt is one of the very few companies to actually manufacture AR-15/M16/M4 rifles for the US government.
They have no relationship with FN who also has government contracts.
Colt not only makes rifles, they also own the Canadian licensed maker of M16 rifles for the Canadian government.
In the last couple of years, there have been several people who have been IN the Colt plant and watched as rifles are being manufactured.
Pennsylvania bought the rights to the Colt name for 10 million
Wrong.
The Colt name is owned solely by Colt's Manufacturing Company LLC. Among who's owners are Donald Zilkha, the United Auto Workers, and the State of Connecticut.
Colt Defense still makes a few M-4s
They recently got another large contract for M4 Carbines.
Wrong.
Colt is one of the very few companies to actually manufacture AR-15/M16/M4 rifles for the US government.
They have no relationship with FN who also has government contracts.
Colt not only makes rifles, they also own the Canadian licensed maker of M16 rifles for the Canadian government.
In the last couple of years, there have been several people who have been IN the Colt plant and watched as rifles are being manufactured.
Pennsylvania bought the rights to the Colt name for 10 million
Wrong.
The Colt name is owned solely by Colt's Manufacturing Company LLC. Among who's owners are Donald Zilkha, the United Auto Workers, and the State of Connecticut.
Colt Defense still makes a few M-4s
They recently got another large contract for M4 Carbines.
JohnBT
May 29, 2008, 08:29 PM
Oh nuts, there you go ruining a good debate with facts. :)
"I see Colts in every gun shop, proudly displayed"
Me too, both the autos and the SAA's. I've been looking at a number of SAA's in 2 shops in the past week and will check out a 3rd one Saturday. I have 2 more to check tomorrow during my road trip to the Valley to visit my parents.
I haven't ruled out ordering a USFA PreWar, but the Colts I've been looking at look good too.
John
"I see Colts in every gun shop, proudly displayed"
Me too, both the autos and the SAA's. I've been looking at a number of SAA's in 2 shops in the past week and will check out a 3rd one Saturday. I have 2 more to check tomorrow during my road trip to the Valley to visit my parents.
I haven't ruled out ordering a USFA PreWar, but the Colts I've been looking at look good too.
John
Guillermo
May 29, 2008, 08:36 PM
mec
nobody said you can't find them. (I saw a few at McBrides this afternoon. Joe said that they have to order way in advance and he will not send one back for warranty work because he might not get it back)
dfarris
I misspoke. Colt didn't make them for years (lost the contract in the 90's, FN USA made them) but as you say they recently got a contract supporting FN USA as they did the extention of the M4...both contracts awarded this year.
my main point still stands...this is a financially sick company.
In addition my secondary point still stands that they still have callouses on their knees. And their owner is a chuck schumer fan.
nobody said you can't find them. (I saw a few at McBrides this afternoon. Joe said that they have to order way in advance and he will not send one back for warranty work because he might not get it back)
dfarris
I misspoke. Colt didn't make them for years (lost the contract in the 90's, FN USA made them) but as you say they recently got a contract supporting FN USA as they did the extention of the M4...both contracts awarded this year.
my main point still stands...this is a financially sick company.
In addition my secondary point still stands that they still have callouses on their knees. And their owner is a chuck schumer fan.
JohnBT
May 29, 2008, 08:36 PM
I did find this news release... about Penn-Texas...
"Merger for Colt"
"Leopold D. (for Dias) Silberstein, 51, likes to call himself a "professor of sick companies." In the past eight years, he has acquired more than a dozen companies, some sick, some healthy, and built up a thriving empire called Penn-Texas Corp. (TIME, July 25). Last week Professor Silberstein took over a stretcher case: Colt's Manufacturing Co.
The venerable, 118-year-old gunmaker was dealt a crippling blow by a group of raiders who bought up a large chunk of stock. The group, led by David A. Goodkind (a close associate of Louis Wolfson), won representation on the board. They forced the company to offer tenders to buy up stock at an average price of $52 a share, though the stock was selling for under $40 when the Goodkind group started to buy. Thus Colt's was forced to pay out $6,500,000 to buy out the Goodkind group and others. Colt's tried to diversify, but was unable to recover and looked around for merger possibilities. Colt's directors approached Silberstein, and he offered $7,200,000 for the company (through an exchange of Colt's stock for shares in Silberstein's Penn-Texas)."
- TIME Monday, Oct. 03, 1955
:D
"Merger for Colt"
"Leopold D. (for Dias) Silberstein, 51, likes to call himself a "professor of sick companies." In the past eight years, he has acquired more than a dozen companies, some sick, some healthy, and built up a thriving empire called Penn-Texas Corp. (TIME, July 25). Last week Professor Silberstein took over a stretcher case: Colt's Manufacturing Co.
The venerable, 118-year-old gunmaker was dealt a crippling blow by a group of raiders who bought up a large chunk of stock. The group, led by David A. Goodkind (a close associate of Louis Wolfson), won representation on the board. They forced the company to offer tenders to buy up stock at an average price of $52 a share, though the stock was selling for under $40 when the Goodkind group started to buy. Thus Colt's was forced to pay out $6,500,000 to buy out the Goodkind group and others. Colt's tried to diversify, but was unable to recover and looked around for merger possibilities. Colt's directors approached Silberstein, and he offered $7,200,000 for the company (through an exchange of Colt's stock for shares in Silberstein's Penn-Texas)."
- TIME Monday, Oct. 03, 1955
:D
Harve Curry
May 30, 2008, 08:52 AM
It should also be noted that state laws create problems for gun makers. Requirments of safeties, drop tests, trigger pull minimums, blah blah the list goes on. Foriegn makers from South America or Europe don't have to worry about laws regulating a maker in Conneticut or California.
Even our Western films are mostly made in Canada. Our state law makers tax and regulate business's right out of business.
Even our Western films are mostly made in Canada. Our state law makers tax and regulate business's right out of business.
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