The Sheer Joy of MOUSE GUNS....


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Confederate
May 28, 2008, 10:56 PM
Okay, so they're not going to stop a charging rhino. So no one has hi-capacity magazines for them nor do they make scopes for them. Still, no one's handgun collection would be complete without at least one or two mouse guns. Or maybe three or four.

But what is it about them that makes them so desirable? Is it part of our childhood's craving of toys? Do these tiny revolvers and autoloaders remind us of the little pistols our mothers or fathers bought us? Or is it our desire to see everything miniaturized? Kind of like those highly detailed cars that sport doors that open and lights that flash? Or is it our fascination with "modern marvels"? (Isn't there a model of a Colt single-action revolver that shoots real bullets, though miniaturized?)

Actually, I know of one person who collects nothing but tiny guns. He calls it his "sniz" collection, sniz standing for "Saturday Night Special."

How many mouse guns do YOU have, and why do you have them? And do you trust them to do what their supposed to do? I've seen many news reports in my day of people successfully using them to stop bad guys, and a surprising number of little .25 autos have actually killed them...the bad guys that is. The whole idea behind them is, no one likes to be shot! And I've talked to people who have been shot with .22LRs. One was working on his house and got hit from behind. The guy who fired the bullet was at a range close to a mile away. It did a surprising amount of damage.

According to experts, they shouldn't be useful for much except as conversation pieces. What do YOU say? And where are your pictures?

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/jriler/Jennings.jpg...... http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/jriler/Beretta21A_950_Small_2.jpg

http://www.mouseguns.com/p32.jpg .......http://hometown.aol.com/jtjersey/Raven/P25Open.JPG http://www.mouseguns.com/rohr2.jpg ......http://images.hobbytron.com/CR-181280SD-lg.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/jriler/DAVIS_380_1.jpg

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gbelleh
May 28, 2008, 11:23 PM
I like mouse guns too. I have an
Astra Cub .25, KT P-32 and P-3AT. I carry the 3AT as a BUG, but the Cub is just a range toy. It's also a great gun for introducing people to shooting. No one finds it intimidating to shoot.

I'd like to add a nice Beretta 950 to the collection soon.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a361/gbelleh/mice1.jpg

owlhoot
May 28, 2008, 11:29 PM
Well, you have to define your terms. What is a mouse gun? Is the category determined by caliber? Where do you draw the line? Or is it determined by size?

Do you have to be able to actually hit a mouse with the gun, and if you do, must you register one shot kills?
Is it considered bad form to shoot a rat with a mouse gun? How 'bout unruly kids?

My friend George likes to carry a dead mouse in his pocket. Would it be just as socially acceptable for him to carry a mouse gun in his pocket?

Confederate
May 29, 2008, 12:24 AM
Yes, by size. In the palm.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/jriler/Jennings1.jpg

Hoppy590
May 29, 2008, 12:34 AM
does a colt 1903 .32 count?

The Lone Haranguer
May 29, 2008, 12:35 AM
I don't have any mouse guns at this time, but would like a Seecamp, if for no other reason than the jewel-like craftsmanship.

MachIVshooter
May 29, 2008, 12:38 AM
I like 'em, too

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n117/Hunter2506/mouseguns.jpg

lechiffre
May 29, 2008, 01:30 AM
machivshooter what is that between the tomcat and jetfire ?

jackstinson
May 29, 2008, 12:50 PM
How many do I have? Only a couple dozen at the moment.

Astra - 2000 Cub - .22 Short
Bauer - "Automatic' - .25acp
Beretta - 950B Jetfire .25acp
Beretta - 21A BobCat - .22LR
Bryco/Jennings - J-22 - .22LR (black)
Bryco/Jennings - J-22 - .22LR (chrome)
Bryco/Jennings - M38 - .32acp
Davis Industries - D-32 - .32acp derringer
Davis Industries - P-32 - .32acp
Davis Industries - P-380 - .380acp
F.I.E. Corporation - Titan - .25acp
Iver Johnson - TP-22 - .22LR
Jennings Firearms - J-22 - .22LR (original type)
Kel-Tec CNC - P3AT - .380acp
Lorcin - L-22 - .22LR
Lorcin - L-25 - .25acp
Phoenix Arms - HP-22 - .22LR
Quality Firearms Inc - SA-25 - .25acp
Reck - P-8 (La Fury) - .25acp
Rohm Ghmb - RG10 - .22 Short
Rohm Ghmb - RG26 - .25acp
Sedco Industries - SP-22 - .22LR
Sundance - A-25 - .25acp
Taurus - PT-22 - .22LR

Cocked & Locked
May 29, 2008, 01:23 PM
http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2169/3082611/6486409/285291346.jpg

http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2169/3082611/6486409/276454426.jpg

http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2169/3082611/6486409/178952639.jpg

http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2169/3082611/6486409/175612000.jpg

http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2169/3082611/6263277/109021345.jpg

http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2169/3082611/6263277/83438654.jpg

http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2169/3082611/6259764/317262990.jpg

http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2169/3082611/6259764/316989920.jpg

LightningMan
May 29, 2008, 01:32 PM
Yep, have a few mouse guns myself;
1). Beretta .25 ACP
2). North American Arms Guardean .32 ACP
3). Davis Derringer (converted from .32 ACP to .32 mag.)
3). Kel-Tec P-3AT .380 ACP
4). S&W Model 60 .357 mag.
LM.

PX15
May 29, 2008, 01:40 PM
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100b9622.jpg


Jesse

Jiml3
May 29, 2008, 01:58 PM
I also am a fan.
Colt Junior 25A
Kahr PM9
Sig P232 380
Colt Detective 38
Colt 1903 32
S&W 60 J Frame 38

Shade00
May 29, 2008, 02:02 PM
Cocked & Locked, love that lemon squeezer!

Anna's Dad
May 29, 2008, 02:56 PM
Some are mice. Some are probably rats:

Kel-Tec P32
Kel-Tec P3AT
Beretta Bobcat
Beretta Tomcat
Beretta Model 50
Sig P232
Walther PP
Makarov

Rex B
May 29, 2008, 03:24 PM
I'm a bit of a mouser myself.

Keltec P32
Keltec P3AT
NAA Black Widow
NAA MiniMaster
American Arms Escort .380
Llama Model 3 .380 (4)
Star SS .380 (2)
FI Model D

Looking for an Astra Cub.
for me I think it's the miniaturization. My favorites are those Llama .380s. Mine are all from the 1940s, and are an almost-perfect 3/4 scale 1911A1.

Big Boomer
May 29, 2008, 06:36 PM
:D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/doughty_gubay/Sigs%202004/Top-Terrorist.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q197/KaosRampage/Misc/011.jpg

ok...ok...so it's not a mouse. Does squirrel gun count?

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e400/DAJPro/Sig4-RatwithGun.jpg

http://www.collectablesltd.com/acatalog/TwoGunMickey.jpg


http://www.comicuniverse.co.uk/de-DE/image.php?productid=5691

Also if you look at Mickey's gun notice the cylinder, has there ever been a mouse gun made like that?!

bannockburn
May 29, 2008, 07:00 PM
I think what I like best about a mouse gun, especially like my Astra Cub, is how well the older European guns were made. A lot of craftsmanship went into many of these miniature semi-autos, probably enough so that if the GCA '68 didn't stop their importation, their production costs eventually would have. Definitely a lot of fun with a little mouse gun.
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc231/buckeroobanzai/Picturex1004.jpgvv[/IMG]

Chipperman
May 29, 2008, 07:21 PM
hmmmm...
There seems to be some disconnect in what our members consider Mouse Guns.
To me a mouse gun is not chambered in anything larger than .32, and the gun itself has to be small.

With those parameters, I own two:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y164/Chipperman/Pockets.jpg

mike724
May 29, 2008, 07:35 PM
Here kitty kitty...

trekgod3
May 29, 2008, 07:37 PM
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk223/NicksGunPics/Baby%20Browning/IMG_23841024x768.jpg
and
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk223/NicksGunPics/Kel-tec%20P-3AT/IMG_0953.jpg

jon_in_wv
May 29, 2008, 09:20 PM
Here are mine. Since the LCP is basically the same size as the P32 I would consider it a mouse gun even if it is a .380.

chrismc410
May 29, 2008, 09:24 PM
Does a PA-63/CZ-82/PM Makarov count as a mouse gun? Not exactly palm sized for the average person, but some palms are bigger than others.

Confederate
May 29, 2008, 10:07 PM
Does anyone have a Davis P-32? I have one that's never been shot and wondered if it was as reliable as the Raven, on which it's based.

Love the photos. Keep 'em comin'.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/jriler/MickeyMouse.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/jriler/BerettaJuniors.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/jriler/Sterling22LR.jpg

This little Sterling was a gun I tried multiple times. Never could find one that worked in .22LR or .25ACP. They could have been nice lil' pistols if someone could have found a way to make them go bang.

colt1903
May 29, 2008, 10:30 PM
Walther THP .22LR
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll17/colt1903/041.jpg

S&W 351PD in .22 Magnum
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll17/colt1903/001-5.jpg

Colt Pocket Positive .32 Long
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll17/colt1903/ColtPocketPositive.jpg

Colt Pocket Hammerless model 1908 in .380 ACP
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll17/colt1903/011-2.jpg

S&W 340 M&P .357 Mag
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll17/colt1903/009-5.jpg

S&W CS9
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll17/colt1903/011-4.jpg

searcher451
May 29, 2008, 11:53 PM
I've got a Walther Modell 9, often billed as the smallest .25 semi-automatic ever made. If you've never seen one, here's a link to an engraved example:

http://www.carlwalther.com/images/mod_9.jpg

It's quite the spiffy little animal.

usp9
May 29, 2008, 11:59 PM
Here are two of my three. A TPH and PX 22. My Seecamp is on vacation.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i186/ripley16/px22002.jpg

benzuncle
May 30, 2008, 12:02 AM
I didn't notice any NAA Guardian 380's, so:
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii276/benzuncle/1_11_21_07.jpg
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii276/benzuncle/NAA380.jpg

Confederate
May 30, 2008, 02:05 AM
Colt1903: How well does your little stainless Walther work?

bannockburn
May 30, 2008, 09:19 PM
searcher451

I think the Bernadelli .25 Vest Pocket Model is also right there with the Walther Model 9 and the Baby Browning as far as mighty micro mouse guns are concerned.

give
May 30, 2008, 10:21 PM
beautiful guns guys,great for teaching the young ones with

denfoote
May 31, 2008, 02:32 AM
A genuine range working mouse gun. Carried nearly every day. Currently in my pocket now!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v22/denfoote/KTPF9007small.jpg

Dksimon
May 31, 2008, 02:47 AM
Colt 1903.

I saw a gun exactly like your S&W Chiefs special at a local gun shop the other day. how do you like it?

usp9
May 31, 2008, 02:08 PM
Confederate asked,

Colt1903: How well does your little stainless Walther work?


I can't speak for Colt1903, but my Walther is a joy to shoot. Surprisingly accurate (within reason of course), very reliable with quality .22lr ammo, it offers double strike ability (DA/SA), and is very, very slim. It takes down exactly as a PPK, is solid stainless steel, and feels very ergonomic for such a small pistol. My Walther TPH is one of my favorite pistols.

I'd also be interested in hearing Colt1903's comments.

Confederate
June 2, 2008, 11:57 PM
.
My Walther was very nice, but I couldn't afford to keep it!


http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/jriler/Wather_1.jpg

jackstinson
June 3, 2008, 10:44 AM
I think the Bernadelli .25 Vest Pocket Model is also right there with the Walther Model 9 and the Baby Browning as far as mighty micro mouse guns are concerned.
Also the Bauer .25, a stainless steel copy of the Baby Browning. Here's mine:
http://weirdjack.com/guns/bauer_R.jpg

DougDubya
June 3, 2008, 01:53 PM
Great little pieces, guys.

And every notice that "cowboy" Mickey seems to be packing a DRUM-FED pistol rather than a sixgun?

MCgunner
June 3, 2008, 02:16 PM
I have a yearning for a KT P3AT or Ruger LCP maybe in the future and I have this desire for a NAA
mini master with .22lr/mag cylinders.

I have a Phoenix Arms HP22 that I've never felt was worthy of the band width for a picture. LOL I
do have a NAA, though, and if .380 is a mouse caliber, I have a Grendel P12. My NAA is actually my
favorite mouser, but the Phoenix is pretty reliable, VERY accurate, and fun to shoot because of the
accuracy. I have a kit gun type revolver, too, but the 4" barrel keeps it out of the mouser category
IMHO.

http://thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=54137&d=1172713704

http://thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=54670&d=1173546757

Some might consider this old school mouse gun. It's sorta worthless, but a lot of fun to shoot when I'm in a charcoal mood.

http://thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=66354&d=1193695832

DAdams
June 3, 2008, 06:40 PM
I have a few, this is my favorite.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/dmadams/P9110038-1.jpg

Seecamp .380

langenc
June 3, 2008, 08:01 PM
My latest gun mag has one by RUGER-a 380-probably not in stores yet.

neviander
June 3, 2008, 08:44 PM
That little mouse clutching the mini assault rifle is hilarious :D I haven't seen any Beretta Cheetahs; are they considered mouse guns?

usp9
June 3, 2008, 10:22 PM
I haven't seen any Beretta Cheetahs; are they considered mouse guns?


I thought I had a pic of my Beretta 84 and Seecamp together, but...I can't find it. I would say "No", the Beretta is really out of the mousegun league, IMHO.

Ltlabner
June 3, 2008, 10:31 PM
I haven't seen any Beretta Cheetahs; are they considered mouse guns?

Personally I wouldn't say they would be considered a mousgun. I have a Beretta 85 BB and it's rather large to be considered a "mousegun" IMO.

Unless you consider anything chambered in .380 to be a mousegun, I suppose.

Shade00
June 4, 2008, 01:09 AM
usp9, I'm jealous. I've wanted a TPH for a while. Just can't find one locally and I can't choke up $500 for one just yet... too many revolvers to buy. :(

colt1903
June 4, 2008, 04:58 PM
Confederate,

I like the THP quite a bit; one problem I have is that it fails to feed the last round. I am fairly sure that this is a magazine problem but I am not able to find any replacement mags. It is more accurate than it should be. The target below is 24 rounds of CCI Quick Shok fired at a range of 21 feet:
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll17/colt1903/064.jpg

Dksimon,

The CS9 is an awesome carry piece. It is very easy to shoot and pretty darn accurate for me out to 50 feet. Below are a several targets shot at a range of 21 feet:
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll17/colt1903/007-4.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll17/colt1903/011-7.jpg

Confederate
June 4, 2008, 08:42 PM
Nice pistols and nice photos!

I like that Walther.

woad_yurt
June 9, 2008, 10:54 PM
Here are mine, in order: An 5 round Iver Johnson .32, a 7 round US Revolver Co. .22LR and a P3AT. That little .22 is a pretty sweet number; it shoots Aguila Super Maximums all day long. Really, really light, too.

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee150/woad_yurt/mouse_guns_01.jpg?t=1213062080

bhp9mm
June 10, 2008, 12:28 AM
my 32 seecamp http://www.bayoushooter.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=3&pictureid=46

Don357
June 10, 2008, 01:04 AM
A Kel-Tec P-11 is the closest thing to a mouse gun with a hi-cap mag. K-T offers a 12rd mag giving you 12+1 in 9mm or 10+1 in .40S&W in the P-40, which is the same frame.

VPLthrneck
June 27, 2008, 11:53 PM
http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm275/VPLthrneck/IMG_0154-1.jpg

Sundance A25 and Raven P25 that I found in a local pawn shop.

mtngunr
June 28, 2008, 12:12 AM
Have owned/carried several "mouseguns", past favorites being the Baby/Bauer/Sauer-sized, despite the cocked/locked options with a striker-fired gun and .25ACP caliber.....THE current fave is the Autauga .32ACP/Seecamp copy, totally reliable with premium HP's, great deep-cover gun, DA-only safe carry with round chambered....only 1/2" larger than a Baby, the KT 1/2" larger than the Seecamp.....

Edited-in PS...have yet to find a volunteer who will allow me to empty a magazine into them from 25yds with any ineffective mousegun I own, including the favorite S&W 34-1 which clocks 900fps average......

jahwarrior
June 28, 2008, 12:34 AM
i no longer have this one, because of reliability issues; it's a Cobra Enterprises .380:

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s37/jahwarrior72/armoury/DSCN0182.jpg

and with my Llama .45 and S&W Sigma:

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s37/jahwarrior72/armoury/DSCN0213.jpg


i replaced it with a Keltec P3AT.

gb6491
June 28, 2008, 01:47 PM
My KT P-32,: reliable and I enjoy shooting it:)
http://i26.tinypic.com/2h49grc.jpg
Regards,
Greg

smirnoff a
June 28, 2008, 04:50 PM
A few in my collection - I am sure there will be more.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=80604&stc=1&d=1214682553

jimk66
June 28, 2008, 08:26 PM
Yo, As far as I'm concerned any firearm that is small enough to fit in your palm regardless of caliber fits the definition of a mouse gun. Back in the old days they used to call them "palm or belly guns". I've seen little double barreled 45 cal derringers that I would call "mouse guns with a capital M". lol
Here are mine and what I consider to qualify as mouse guns:
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i138/JimK60/LCP1.jpg http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i138/JimK60/PonyPocketlite07.jpg http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i138/JimK60/SW640Centenial38P-357-1.jpg http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i138/JimK60/Colts.jpg
Regards,
JimK

thegoodfight
June 28, 2008, 08:55 PM
My uncle races horses all the time so he's constantly sleeping in little trailers/campers. He keeps a little .22LR mouse gun handy. I keep tellin him he needs a shotgun. I like those little seacamps.

Claymore1500
June 28, 2008, 09:26 PM
I have a sterling .25acp, I have had it for years, I bought it used/unfired ( I know this from the machine chips left in the bbl, I found them on initial cleaning)

I shot the gun for about a year, then sold it to my boss' son (at the time), He discovered that he was afraid of it, so I bought it back, I have never had a problem in the bang dept. In fact I carry the gun quite a lot.

Maybe I just got a good one, who knows?

unreconstructed1
July 4, 2008, 07:53 PM
I have a phoenix HP22 and a Raven P-25.

All of my pistols fit the SNS category, but those 2 are the only mouseguns I have...

PX15
July 4, 2008, 08:26 PM
unreconstructed1:

Just a suggestion.

Replace the recoil spring in your Phoenix at the first sign of trouble.. Phoenix Arms is very good about sending you extra's (free) and the pistol I had worked just fine, until it didn't...

A new recoil spring generally got it back to working just fine.

Best Wishes,

Jesse

Reddbecca
July 4, 2008, 08:31 PM
I had a picture of a mouse with a back mounted turret cannon, but I can't seem to find that right now.

jahwarrior
July 5, 2008, 12:07 AM
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s37/jahwarrior72/armoury/001.jpg

yhtomit
July 6, 2008, 09:36 PM
jimk66 -- what is that small S&W in your lower-right-hand picture? I am not a fan of most S&W autos, but that one has good lines. I've seen 'em before, but can't remember the model No.

Cheers,

timothy

CSG
July 6, 2008, 10:01 PM
Wow, a lot of you define "mouse" gun differently than I would. A J frame revolver is *not* considered a mouse gun.

My only true mouse gun is my Beretta 950 .25 ACP. Even though my Kahr PM9 is small, it is a 9mm and not a mouse gun IMO.

A mouse gun fits in the palm of an average adult hand and usually is a small caliber weapon like a .22, .25, or .32.

Baby Brownings
Vest Pocket Colts
Tiny Berettas
Etc.

IMO...

yhtomit
July 6, 2008, 11:46 PM
CSG wrote:
A mouse gun fits in the palm of an average adult hand and usually is a small caliber weapon like a .22, .25, or .32.

I agree that some of the guns illustrated above are merely small, rather than mousy.

But I think it's fair to say that the P3AT (and Ruger's high complment ;)) fit in the palm of the hand of the average adult, as so some other higher-caliber weapons, like the Semmerling (which shoots a non-mousy .45 ACP), so this line does get blurry.

timothy

FJC
July 7, 2008, 12:58 AM
I love the things - I have plenty of 1911's, Glocks, SIGs, and others, but I always gotta have the latest little pocket pistol.

A few of mine:

Beretta 950 .25ACP:
http://www.condron.com/pics/Beretta/beretta_950_6444.jpg

Colt Pony Pocketlite:
http://www.condron.com/pics/colt/pony/pony11.JPG

NAA .22 LR:

http://www.condron.com/pics/naa/naa_6411.jpg

Rohrbaugh 9mm:

http://www.condron.com/pics/r9s/r9s_4259.jpg

Seecamp .32 (I have a .380 as well, but no pictures of it as of yet):

http://www.condron.com/pics/seecamp/seecamp_6005.jpg

S&W 642 .38 Special:
http://www.condron.com/pics/642/642_5_5858.jpg

Girodin
July 7, 2008, 01:45 AM
jimk66 -- what is that small S&W in your lower-right-hand picture? I am not a fan of most S&W autos, but that one has good lines. I've seen 'em before, but can't remember the model No.


Those are colts if I am not mistaken, and the little one looks like a pony.

How do you rate the Kel tec compaired to the pony? I have a mustang pocket light and am curious how the little kel tec might compare.

yhtomit
July 7, 2008, 06:38 AM
jimk66 -- what is that small S&W in your lower-right-hand picture? I am not a fan of most S&W autos, but that one has good lines. I've seen 'em before, but can't remember the model No.
Those are colts if I am not mistaken, and the little one looks like a pony.

How do you rate the Kel tec compaired to the pony? I have a mustang pocket light and am curious how the little kel tec might compare.

Ah! That would explain why I didn't find it in looking through S&W models ;) The pictures posted by FLC help clear that up anyhow.

Thanks!

timothy

moooose102
July 7, 2008, 10:28 AM
currently, i own a kel-tec p3at, and a ruger lcp. they are both nice little guns. until a year ago, i wouldn't have even considered one of these. but thing change. i am going to do an extended side by side comparison on them, and when i am done, if my wife does't want one, i will sell one of them off. other than ccw, i dont see a lot of use for them. i can shoot a full sized gun MUCH BETTER! and lets face it, no one except godzilla could handle a 45acp in one of these little packages. so concealability is their main gig. they are a cool little peice though.

jimk66
July 7, 2008, 11:20 AM
yhtomit, The top picture is a Ruger LCP, The revolver is a S&W J frame SS M640 , the two little pistols are the Colt MKIV Gov series 80 380 acp auto and the little one (your correct) is the Pony Pocketlite which is smaller than your Mustang or the Gov models and a DAO . There isn't any comparison to either the KT or the LCP. The Pony is really a small 1911 as are its big brothers the Mustang and the Government series with a big gun recoil system rather than the usual blow back type you find on the majority of small bore pistols. As a result they're the softest shooting small (pocket) gun you'll ever find. It's a great carry piece, is reliable, much more accurate than either the KT or LCP but it has a loooong stiff trigger pull. To me along with the DAO thats what I'm looking for in a pocket gun.
Bottom line is I'm carrying my LCP all the time now and retired the Pony except to take it to the range every once in a while for fun .
Cheers,
JimK66

Ala Dan
July 7, 2008, 11:24 AM
Man, you folks are killing me with those goregous photos of some mighty
fine weaponary. Wish I had the skills to complete a complete photo album
of my weapons; as I am only a novice when it comes to photography~! :eek:

bluez4u
July 8, 2008, 12:25 AM
Gotta love little things that go bang!!!

I always seem to check out the "little ones" at gun shows.
All I can say is "Nice"..... although I don't own one, I'd like to get
a Bauer. Love those little pearl handles.

Here's another NAA Guardian 380, when I'm not wearing the 40, I take this....(it's seen a lot of carry time)
Triple K holster.
It's a little monster to shoot, but shoots better with each box it eats....never a ftf yet, tons of ammo....
I have to hand it to NAA and the quality of the gun. Mine is a Kahr frame.
After all.......guns are for shooting.

Be safe always....

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/kjr44130/gguard2.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/kjr44130/gguard1.jpg

Rex B
July 8, 2008, 01:27 AM
Those Pony's are nice pistols, and they are Colts, but the internal design is quite a bit different than a full-size 1911. They also do not have a grip safety.
I have a number of mini-1911 .380s. The closest to the original, inside and out, is the Llamas made in the 1940s.
I'll post a family photo this weekend. Just bought a mint Colt Govt .380 today. I'm still giggling :)

Girodin
July 8, 2008, 01:42 AM
Bottom line is I'm carrying my LCP all the time now and retired the Pony except to take it to the range every once in a while for fun .

That is a powerful testimony to a gun. I guess I need to shoot a Kel Tec/LCP and see how I like it. I do enjoy the mustang however and it has run very well. I am just a sucker for new guns. Even if I have some thing that fills a given niche I want another. The Kel Tec is a DAO and thus an entirely different beast is how I am justifying it to myself.

crankshop1000
July 8, 2008, 09:26 AM
Here's an oddball... F.A.Gradoga. .25acp.Curiously, it always seems to work despite being kind of crude.
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff90/crankshop1000/IM002261.jpg

SgtKnuckles
July 8, 2008, 10:15 AM
My NAA .32 PeeWee (its nice walking along with my hand in my pocket resting on PeeWee)
http://members.aol.com/normtrudeau2/NAA/3NAA32Guardian.jpg
http://members.aol.com/normtrudeau2/NAA/2NAA32Guardian.jpg
http://members.aol.com/normtrudeau2/NAA/1NAA32Guardian.jpg
First Aid Kit
http://members.aol.com/normtrudeau2/NAA/CaseAndGuardian.jpg

smirnoff a
July 8, 2008, 11:57 AM
Dang, thats a nice looking guardian package!!!

GEM
July 8, 2008, 12:35 PM
I've an NAA 22 S and 22LR/Mag mice. I've wanted a Sharp 4 barrel - I saw once that Iver Johnson is back in business and may make them again but if you go to their site, my browser throws up a wave of security alerts.

I also have a hankering for the 25 ACP Colts or clones thereof -

All for fun and collecting

Canuc Shooter
July 8, 2008, 04:48 PM
I don't have any, but reading all the posts, I want a couple.

GrandmasterB
July 8, 2008, 07:05 PM
Here's my favorite:

http://www.drivehq.com/file/df.aspx/publish/bungib/PublicFolder/Guns/mustang_grips.jpg

rondog
July 8, 2008, 08:53 PM
I don't have a mouse gun, but I have to ask -

I know a gun shop that has a "Browning Baby", I think it was, in .25 auto, for $324.95. Is that a decent gun for a decent price?

Looks like an oldie, and I'm thinking collector value/cool factor only. I know the .25 is useless, and I have 5 1911's in .45acp, a .380, and a 9x18mak for the serious stuff.

scurtis_34471
July 8, 2008, 10:03 PM
Kahr P9 Covert

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d144/scurtis_34471/Guns/IMG_0793.jpg

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d144/scurtis_34471/Guns/Holsters/085.jpg

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d144/scurtis_34471/Guns/Holsters/077.jpg

KyJim
July 8, 2008, 10:17 PM
That Kahr looks a little big for a mouse gun. Maybe a rat gun? Here's my mouse gun:

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x223/KyJim_photos/Beretta_950_01.jpg

yhtomit
July 17, 2008, 04:25 AM
bluez4u wrote:


Here's another NAA Guardian 380, when I'm not wearing the 40, I take this....(it's seen a lot of carry time)
Triple K holster.
It's a little monster to shoot, but shoots better with each box it eats....never a ftf yet, tons of ammo....
I have to hand it to NAA and the quality of the gun. Mine is a Kahr frame



Hi! Could you (or anyone reading) explain what you mean by "Mine is a Kahr frame"?

I know it's not the source of all information good and holy, but Wikipedia lists neither company on the respective entry for the other, and I'm not up on gun-company in-trading or in-breeding; does Kahr make all or some of the current NAA products? I realize they bought Auto-Ordnance; is there a connection that way?

Thanks for insight!

timothy

yhtomit
July 17, 2008, 04:27 AM
SgtKnuckles:

Does the beautiful matching wood of your "first aid kit" mean that you made or caused to have made the the various grips shown? My heretical preference for synthetic grips keeps getting beaten up here by such posts ;)

timothy

loop
July 17, 2008, 07:21 AM
I thought the thread would be about guns that were fast enough and accurate enough to hit a running mouse.

We may need a new gun category.

Can anyone here hit a running mouse (right after the lights are turned on) with one of their pipsqueak pistols?

I usually use a C02 gun for those critters. OTOH, we got lots of mice around here...

usp9
July 17, 2008, 08:20 AM
yhtomit asked,

Hi! Could you (or anyone reading) explain what you mean by "Mine is a Kahr frame"?

NAA had a contract with Kahr to produce the the frame for the Guardian line, and the frames had a Kahr stamp. NAA attempted to do their own CNC production but have not been able to do so and as of now another company, Latva, produces the NAA Guardian frames. This is why production ceased on these guns for several months last year.

Link to NAA forum discussion on this topic.
http://www.naaminis.com/discus/messages/2/4866.html?1208384427

jackstinson
July 17, 2008, 09:46 AM
Can anyone here hit a running mouse with one of their pipsqueak pistols?
This is confusing: are they "mouseguns" or "pipsqueak pistols"? I prefer the term; "underrated and under appreciated hand guns". ;)
I have pinned a running mouse to the ground with a throwing knife. A fluke lucky throw which impressed the hell out of the guy who was helping me move the cabinet the mouse jumped out of.

But hey, here are some of my mouseguns:
http://weirdjack.com/guns/astra2000t.jpg..http://weirdjack.com/guns/bauer_T.jpg..http://weirdjack.com/guns/BJ-22t.jpg..http://weirdjack.com/guns/beretta950t.jpg..http://weirdjack.com/guns/J-22t.jpg..http://weirdjack.com/guns/SP-22t.jpg..http://weirdjack.com/guns/L22t.jpg..http://weirdjack.com/guns/sundance_A-25_t.jpg..http://weirdjack.com/guns/RG26_t.jpg..http://weirdjack.com/guns/titant.jpg..http://weirdjack.com/guns/Reck-25-t.jpg..http://weirdjack.com/guns/P-32t.jpg..http://weirdjack.com/guns/D-32t.jpg..http://weirdjack.com/guns/P-380t.jpg..http://weirdjack.com/guns/P3ATt.jpg..http://weirdjack.com/guns/davis_d22t.jpg..http://weirdjack.com/guns/keltec-p32.jpg..http://weirdjack.com/guns/sa25.jpg..http://weirdjack.com/guns/tp-22.jpg..http://weirdjack.com/guns/L25t.jpg

Rxxdoc
July 23, 2008, 09:01 PM
I get a lot of grief for carrying a NAA 32 Guardian as my CCW summer gun. What most of my friends don't understand is that most BG's just don't want to get shot! They will just run away.:D

True, it won't stop the drugged up crack head, but usually you have to remove their head from their shoulders to stop them. :neener:

But really, 99.95% (and yes I just made that statistic up) of people will run away if you point any type of gun at them. Point a NNA 22LR at me, and I guarantee that I will be running at top speed.

Besides, there are not that many crack heads in my neighborhood.

Boom Vang
August 28, 2008, 01:03 AM
The Mousegun and EDC
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_1546.jpg

confederatemule
April 19, 2009, 08:32 PM
I have enjoyed this thread, thanks Confederate for starting it.

I only have three that I would consider "Mousers"

NAA 22LR
NAA 22Mag
Bauer Automatic .25

I hope this picture works.

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i223/ConfederateMule/P4190005.jpg

jimk66
April 19, 2009, 09:01 PM
I still have my "Mouse Guns" or at least what I consider mouse guns or pocket guns and all are 380 auto's.
Ruger LCP, Colt Pony Pocketlite and Cold Gov MKIV series 80 380 acp auto and actually the little Colt Gov is a little heavy for a comfortable front pocket carry IMO. Like so many of you I love these little pistols and can't wait for the new Sig 380. Shot the new Kahr mouse gun last week and didn't care for it. Wasn't near as smooth and soft shooting as the LCP or Colts.
JimK

Dimis
April 20, 2009, 01:13 AM
i own a pair unfortunatly i have no pics but i have a raven arms p25 and a reck p8 i have carried both but i prefer the reck because its a higher capasity of 8 (instead of the ravens 6) and its blued so it doesnt shine so much when i CCW
im a pizza delivery guy part time so i always carry because a mouse gun is better than no gun

jackstinson
April 20, 2009, 11:31 AM
Wow....another Reck P8 owner! I thought I was alone! :D

usp9
April 20, 2009, 01:23 PM
Reck P8 info cute gun.:cool:

http://www.littlegun.be/ma_collection/allemagne/a%20de%20reck%20p8%20gb.htm

Dimis
April 20, 2009, 01:40 PM
nah not the only one both were my mothers when her arthritus (sp) got too much to rack the slides they became mine i love the reck p8 something about it just makes me smile

Shootfire
April 20, 2009, 09:54 PM
My mouse gun collection (so far).

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c265/Wifflestick/PocketPistolsAug182007003.jpg

toivo
April 20, 2009, 10:38 PM
I just got my first mousegun: a Kel-Tec P32. I don't have any pictures, but if you've seen one black-and-blued Kel-Tec, you've seen them all. ;)

prof farnsworth
April 21, 2009, 05:58 PM
I too own a Reck P8. I was wondering where we all were.

It is a nice gun, but it desperately needs a new recoil spring. The Reck is definitely not the easiest gun to find parts for. Anyone have any suggestions?

Tinpig
April 21, 2009, 10:02 PM
One little mouser:
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc91/ccanhamjr/Guns/IMG_1852-1.jpg

Kind of pointless, but it rounded out the family.
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc91/ccanhamjr/Guns/IMG_1855.jpg

Tinpig

Mr. Bojangles
April 22, 2009, 09:04 AM
My poor kel-tec P3at needs a friend... :eek:

Dimis
April 22, 2009, 01:37 PM
bojangles get a reck join our little club lol

Savage93
April 27, 2010, 04:57 AM
hi all

I personally only shoot .22 cal guns be it 22lr or 22wmr just for the price of ammo i have a Colt army special 32-20 a winchester 1892 lever action 44 and a mossberg 42 ww2 trainer rifle (actually used for that purpose in england) those were all my great grandfathers and grandfathers guns i bought a Savage 93 in 22wmr and a Henry AR-7 22lr and in 4-8 weeks i will be a proud owner of a pheonix Hp22a deluxe rangemaster kit, anyway i shoot 22's because there cheap and fun and anyone who thinks that they wont stop someone, will probably treat them like air rifles and air rifles like squirt guns,(Dangerously) according to what i have read 22lr have the same kinetic energy (depending on the bullet type) as a 9mm/380 the only difference is the 22 will dump that in 12 inches of flesh not 36" like centerfire rounds. now im not saying a .45 wont do serious damage but im saying 1 .45 in the bad guy and 4 in the wall behind him will do less damage than 8 of my little "puny" 22lr rounds. :barf:

I go to the range every weekend and it cracks me up to see guys with 45's shooting at 1ft by 2ft shoot'n'see targets at 25 yards and not hitting them whilst talking S***:cuss: about my 22. a guy i met at the range has a box full of 22 pistols buckmarks,rugers,1911 conversions and a walther tph and we shoot clay pidgeons and then the fragments of clays at 50 yards with his pistols now we dont hit every time but missing a 2" piece of clay by 2" at 50 yard is better than missing entirely at $1.50 a round at half the distance.:banghead:


anyway i really like all the pistols that you guys posted pics of:D ,and when i get my hp22 i will put pics of it up, oh i think a mouse gun is anything smaller than a .380/9x25 and will be small enough to fit behind your hand or close to it

confederatemule
April 27, 2010, 09:17 AM
Thanks for your opinion, I enjoyed reading it.

Why did I enjoy reading it?

Cause, I agree with every word !

Mule

jimk66
April 27, 2010, 04:45 PM
I love the little pistols and it's great to see this thread popup again. It's really a fun topic and loaded with some fantastic "Show and Tell photos of our little mice" as well as really good personal insight on why they are liked so well.

380's Sig P232, P238, Colt Mustang and GovMKIV, Ruger LCP
22LR Walther P22, PP22.r, PPK 22lr.
Jim

rvehock
October 10, 2010, 11:23 AM
My mouseguns:

Kel-Tec P-32:
http://vehock.dyndns.org/p-32_1g.jpg

My Astra Cub .25:
http://vehock.dyndns.org/cub3_small.jpg

withdrawn34
October 10, 2010, 02:22 PM
What is the point of that piece of leather? It is not a holster since it provides none of the functions of a holster. Why even bother with it?

DonRon
October 10, 2010, 02:51 PM
Very good point! Then again they also made the Edsel and folks bought them didn't they.

Guillermo
October 10, 2010, 03:03 PM
It is not a holster since it provides none of the functions of a holster. Why even bother with it?

is does protect the gun, a legitimate holster function

flattens out the profile so that it doesn't print as much through clothes

not arguing, I agree with your questioning its usefulness

chardin
October 10, 2010, 03:30 PM
What is the point of that piece of leather? It is not a holster since it provides none of the functions of a holster. Why even bother with it?
I think it's intended to look like a wallet. When the mugger demands your wallet, you give him the contents thereof instead.

Dr.Rob
October 10, 2010, 04:53 PM
A Colt pocket nine is more akin to having a badger in your pocket than a mouse but I really wish I had one.

I have 1908 Vest Pocket and an FIE Titan, both in 25ACP. The Colt is a hoot to shoot and it's fairly accurate (minute of popcan) out to 20 feet or so. I've never fired the Titan, though it's actually a pretty well made little piece by Tanfoglio. Both have a lot of finish wear as they were carried daily by a little old lady in a suede clip holster.

IMTHDUKE
October 10, 2010, 05:27 PM
Since I got mine, I have not had a single mouse problem....:D

http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww2/imthduke/GUNS/238.jpg

http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww2/imthduke/GUNS/Robar.jpg

http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww2/imthduke/GUNS/SEECAMP-2.jpg

http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww2/imthduke/GUNS/62520996561662.jpg

fiat128
December 21, 2010, 01:12 PM
Neat thread. I read this whole thing and noticed no one has an MPA Protector. Anybody out there know anything about these?

Nushif
December 21, 2010, 02:48 PM
There seems to be some disconnect in what our members consider Mouse Guns.

Naw. But in any thread where you ask to speak nicely about guns or ask for pictures ... people will talk nicely about *all* their favorite guns and show off *all* their pics. 8)

The prime example being when someone says gun performing above expectation and talking about a 4k handgun. 8)

That being said ...

I don't have a mousegun yet, just because I haven't found one I like shooting t this point.
My wife has a Baby Browning though, which she carries in an ankle holster and will soon have a .22 short Beretta on top of that.

G27RR
December 21, 2010, 09:49 PM
NAA Pug .22 magnum
http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n634/G27RR/NAAPug2.jpg

Ruger LCP
http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n634/G27RR/RugerLCP2.jpg

S&W Bodyguard 380
http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n634/G27RR/2010-09-29061923.jpg

Sig P238
http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n634/G27RR/SigP238.jpg

Diamondback DB380
http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n634/G27RR/DB380.jpg

fmcdave
December 21, 2010, 11:17 PM
I will admit that I am a large caliber guy. I generally carry a .45 auto or revolver. That said, I have a Colt Pony Pocketlite .380 and a Keltec P32. I am unhappy with the Pony and am probably going to sell it. However, I will keep the Keltec.

I'll be honest and say that while I can shoot my larger pistols with great results, I am consistently unhappy with my shooting performance with those pistols. They are "belly guns".

That said, I do carry the KelTec from time to time as it is extremely concealable. The optional clip on the side makes it easy to clip it onto light-weight shorts (I'm thinking my Kimber would drag those shorts to my ankles). I'm also a big believer of the first rule of gun fighting..."Have a gun".

So the KelTec is easier to carry in those situations, lighter than the Pony, and about as accurate. If I had to do it again, I'd buy the Keltec .380. Bigger bullets are better but a .32 is better than nothing.
Dave

19&41
December 22, 2010, 08:49 PM
My Budischowski TP-70 in .25 acp.

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/643/p1000126i.jpg (http://img641.imageshack.us/i/p1000126i.jpg/)

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mopar92
December 22, 2010, 09:13 PM
Love my Model 9 Walther, sig 238(rat gun), Baby Browning, Beretta Jetfire.25, Colt .25, Seecamp .32... Im a sucker for these little mouse guns. As for being only conversation topics, more people that you would believe have gone down in bad deals with mouse guns. My thoughts.

Busyhands94
March 10, 2011, 03:53 AM
my tiny pistol. .17 cap and ball, surprisingly accurate though. i customized the sights and they are top notch. http://s1178.photobucket.com/albums/x372/busyhands94/?action=view&current=riderderringer.jpg

McCall911
March 10, 2011, 04:52 AM
I don't have pics loaded on my new computer, but my favorite mouse gun is a 1955 made Beretta 1935 in .32 ACP. The firing pin occasionally strikes too lightly, but it shoots great otherwise. I'm not in a big hurry about getting that fixed because it's more of a safe queen anyway.
The safety on these guns is weird. They require a 180 degree rotation. You could probably carry it with the safety at 90 degrees, but I wouldn't feel comfortable with that because it's single action.

makarovnik
March 10, 2011, 06:03 AM
I like the OP's little cocaine pinky nail.

CTPhil
March 10, 2011, 10:14 AM
Here are my mouse guns, with a Ruger SS just because. :neener: I love my little guns, 3 Ravens and a Jimenez JA 22. (So far) ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/plang2/P1020243resized.jpg

PcolaDawg
March 10, 2011, 11:42 AM
Love this thread, and I love mouse guns. Mainly because, even though I like to carry the larger calibers, so often because of my wardrobe I'm limited to a gun the size of a wallet.

I have carried a KT P3AT for a couple of years and my wife has a KT P32 which is the only gun she feels comfortable with. Love the little Kel Tecs. :)

Two weeks ago, though, I purchased my latest mouse gun, although it's more like a mouse on steroids. :cool:

Here it be:

http://inlinethumb31.webshots.com/44382/2321708950102497756S600x600Q85.jpg

cls12vg30
March 10, 2011, 11:48 AM
I'm also a fan of these little firecrackers. When I first started carrying, I wanted a pocket BUG, and I purchased a Beretta 21A .25 in a private sale. What a great little gun that was, but I was uncomfortable with .25 to say the least, so I later sold it and put the $$ towards my first Kel-Tec P32. Later I traded that first blued P32 towards a hard chrome P32, then last year I traded that one in towards a hard chrome P3-AT, which I often pocket carry as primary in warm weather or situations where carrying a larger pistol isn't practical.

I do still kinda miss that Bobcat, though.

leadchucker
March 10, 2011, 10:09 PM
No mice around here. :D

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm279/phobuc1/DSCN0735.jpg

withdrawn34
March 11, 2011, 12:01 AM
I am really liking my two week old DB380. A true joy to hold and shoot.

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x95/paul344/IMG_0736.jpg

Compared to my most-of-the-time EDC, an XD45 4" compact.

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x95/paul344/IMG_0741.jpg

jbr
March 11, 2011, 12:10 AM
I much prefer to shoot larger handguns but my little TCP738 surprises me everytime i use it - accurate enough to be fun and pretty soft shooter

788Ham
March 11, 2011, 01:47 AM
I've got a 1935 Beretta .32, would you count that as a mouser? Sure shoots smooth for an older pistol.

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