[number6]

What if you had to travel from let's say St. Louis to California, and the year was 1840. BUT! You have your choice of ANY modern day weapon from then to now to choose from. You get to carry a rifle and a pistol only.

Keep in mind you will be using these arms for self defense and survival. So, off you go on your trusty steed, toting which 2 weapons to help you get to California?

[Combat-wombat]

M16A2

HK Mk. 23 SOCOM

[DWS1117]

Hangun: Glock 20 10mm. As much as I love my 1911, I'd take the Glock for its durability.

Rifle: tough call. Probably an FAL in .308 or an AK-47. Both offer decent power and accuracy and both are very durable.

Also all the ammo that that steed could pack.

[Hardtarget]

I'll play.
I assume the "angel in charge" of ammo, mags, and spare parts will ride along....so...I'll take a M1A and a S&W mod 19. I'd feel O.K. with that.
Mark

[number6]

I guess I better jump in here seeing how it's my thread.

For rifle I'd take my AK-47 ( for shootin varmits.. human and animal types!)

For pistol I'd take my Springfield 1911 (for shootin varmits.. human and animal types!) :D

[txgolfer45]

AK-47 for rifle and Glock 21. Both are reliable and can take abuse.

Can I also take Kevlar Body Armor???? :)

Scott

[AZTOY]

The year being 1840, there would be alot of indians.:o



AK-47 (75 round drums)

G17

[BigDeeeeeeee]

I'd feel very comfortable with my Bushmaster carbine and my Glock model 29.

[Darrin]

I'd want my shotgun (mossy 590) with it's 9 shot capacity. The marinecote finish will be better as I get closer to the ocean. :) I could use slugs or buckshot for hunting. Dragon's Breath for burning down the house of the man who shot my Pa. Flares when I want to light someone's fire. :evil: Wide choices in ammo for a single gun.

Back to the original question: One rifle and one handgun? That's tough. For the rifle I only know it'd be a semi-auto, not bolt. For the handgun, I think the Barretta 92 would be a dandy choice. :)


edit to add: BigDeeeeee, your name is spelt wrong in your sig. ;) :D

[Dazbo666]

A Glock for reliability, and either an M16 (preferably with the optional grenade launcher??) for firepower, or HK MP5 for reliability and manouverability

[BigDeeeeeeee]

edit to add: BigDeeeeee, your name is spelt wrong in your sig. Damned if it isn't wrong on my birth certificate too.:D

I like the shotgun idea too, much more versatile under those curcumstances.:)

[longeyes]

Glock 19 with hi-caps. AK-47, 30-rd mags, lots. Good body armor.

A map that will steer me around Comanches with RPGs.

[4v50 Gary]

M-14 type rifle w/fiberglass stock and scope. Want to be able to do 600 yard shots and keep them away from me. Also want a bullet big enough for game. Don't want to shoot a buffalo with a 223 and when I get to bear country, I want something that I have a more confidence in (caliber wise). A 10 mm Glock M20 with a folding stock. Good size bullets, good capacity magazine. Also want a dog for a companion and as an early warning system.

Remember that most arms of the time were percussion muzzle loaders. Everyone knew you were "empty" after that first shot. Breechloaders didn't really reach the frontier until about 1870 and when they did, it was a surprise.

BTW, I'd rather befriend the Indians and learn their ways and fight them. Only trouble is that they'll probably try to lift my scalp first.:uhoh:

[Dazbo666]

.... any chance of getting a M60 or GPMG mount fitted to my horses saddle?? LOL

[TrapperReady]

Rifle - M-14.
Pistol - Ruger Mark II (hey, you gotta eat, and I like things fresh)

[lostdog]

DSA arms 16" FAL, and a Glock 18.

as many mags and as much ammo as I can have for each. I would feel fine taking any north american animal with the FAL, and any human would be in trouble. As for the glock, if I had a bear up close, then that full auto at contact range would be alright with me, and it would scare any two-legged varmints pretty bad

[Mike Irwin]

High Point Carbine

High Point handgun.

Both in 9mm...

Don't want to change history TOO much. :)

[brian0128]

AK for the rifle
Glock 23 for the pistol.

[MarkScottShow.US]

Rifle; Either a Barrett M82A1 50 BMG, or a M203 or a Marlin Leveraction in 45-70

Pistol: Springfield Omega 6" ported in 10mm


Could you consider a man portable Gatling gun in .223 a rifle????


Edge Weapon: Battle axe, and Katana............

[Jeeper]

I think either the mini-gun from predator, Barret 50 cal, or M16

Glock 40 cal or sti racegun in super

[Matt1911]

1840 aye?Still plenty of bears ,mountian lions,ect about, i would opt for a 44 mag revolver(taurus m44),and a shot gun(mossy 835).

[HBK]

I would take my Walther P-99 with all 10 16 round mags. I would take one of those sweet H&K rifles that we cost around 12 grand. I would also sneak my Glock 29 in there if the writer of this thread didn't see it. My P-99 is my favorite, but that 29 packs a nice punch. I'd also try to slip my PPK/S in my pocket too. (Can you tell I'm kinda attached to my handguns?)

[eatatjoes]

i'd have to go with an sks for my rifle. stripper clips would be easy to carry and the bayonet would be good for spearing snakes without wasting ammo. for my pistol i'd take a good double-stack .45 and as much ammo and mags for both as i could carry. a decent ballistic vest would be helpful too.

[JPM70535]

I think Matt1911 hit it right, a 44 Mag. so you wouldn't have to worry about losing brass whichwould be in short supply, remember that caliber had yet to be created, so a reloading setup of some type would be needed to assure a constant supply. Speed loaders would take care of rapid reloads should the need arise. For a long gun I think I would lean either towards the Remington 870 with 8 shot capacity, (for the same case retention capability, and the ability to use varied loadings depending on the target.
Ex. Bird shot for small game and buckshot or slugs for large 2 and 4 legged game. If I decided to opt for a rifle, I think I would stick with what has worked well for over a hundred years. Make mine a Winchester 97 in 30-30.

I thought long and hard about this and being an Auto man it pained me to pick as I did.

[mattd]

m2 .50http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=446692

[tlhelmer]

Bushy M-4

and a Glock 35

[Mark Tyson]

This reminds me of Kim Du Toit's "crossing the wilderness".

Primary concerns on this trip would be roving Indian bands, Anglo or Mexican bandits, and taking game for food. Weapons need to be durable and powerful enough to kill bear, moose or bison.

I'd take a Thompson Contender and an M1 Garand both in 30-06. The pistol would be merely a back up in case I lose the rifle. The 30-06 will take any beast in North America with proper shot placement and ammo is fairly easy to carry.

[45King]

A 1911 and an M1A Scout.

I'd like to see what a saddle scabbard for an M1A w/20 rd. mag looks like....

[cslinger]

Well basically I would probably take the most durable/forget about maintaining them pieces I have.

My VEPR II and probably my Ruger GP100 3inch.

Both of these would be used for self defense primarily and I would make sure to have a couple of 75 round drums with me just to see if a gatlinggun would have made a difference at Little Big Horn.

For hunting I would simply buy a period piece with period ammo and I am sure I would do just fine.

Now the most import thing is I would want to travel with the rest of you since, lets be honest, no matter how well armed you are a lone rider in the desert is probably gonna be dead from something. I mean even if you were Joe Survivalist and armed to the teeth you would have to sleep.

Now all of us together in a wagon train. Heck we would have our own country.

[kannonfyre]

Glock-17 with AMLMAP*
M-16A2 with AMLMAP
A good machete and Strider fixed blade.

*As Many Loaded Magazines As Possible

[cslinger]

Funny, I would have no desire to actually change history but I have often wondered things like what difference would one trained man with an AR-15 and say a combat load of ammo have made at say Bunker/Breeds Hill, Little Big Horn, The Battle of Gettysburg.

It's easy to think that that one person/firearm could make a pretty big difference but when you think of how un-predictable war is all it would take is one stray mini-ball or arrow and it may not make a difference at all.

[mwithers72]

lets see.... I would have to take my Beretta 92 and a Winchester 270 or maybe a 30-368 :D

[Kharn]

M16A2 (definitely the Govt profile barrel, not an HBar) if I could bring a good cleaning kit and bottle of CLP along. Ak47 if I couldnt.

For pistols, I dunno, probably a 1911.

Kharn

[Brian Williams]

I would take my Marlin 1894 with a Marbles taang sight and a Ruger Old model blackhawk both in 357. These are simple weapons and anything that broke could be made or fixed by just about any good blacksmith. Having the same ammo would mean reloading would be easier, a Lee 310 tong tool would resize cases, size bullets, deprime and reprime, seat bullets. With a four cavity mold with 4 different cavities, a 180 gr FN, 158 gr SWC, 140 gr RN and 147 WC, would cover just about any situation. Powder could be suplanted with the old stand by of fffg, the only problem would be maintaining a supply of primers. I figure about 200 rounds, a pound of 2400 and a pound of 231, 10,000 primers and some pre cast bullets with gaschecks. You would also need a small pot and ladle.

I would like to see your fast and smooth AR run after about 10 rounds of blackpowder.........

[Kinsman]

I'll need my old model Blackhawk .44- that will do most anything.
But I'll have my M1a there for the long stuff.

And I'll be on the lookout for a friendly wagon train.

[CWL]

Accurized M14 with ACOG scope. S&W 686 stainless with 6" barrel.

First thing I'd do is go to the patent office and file for every perfected innovation in the design of the revolver. Then I'd sell the S&W 686 for an incredible amount of money.

With the proceeds, I'd hire Davey Crockett to guide me across the country. :)

No way in the world do I believe that I have enough woodcraft/survival skills to cross the untamed continent just because I had an automatic rifle.

[natedog]

Handgun: 10mm Glock with a bunch of hi-caps

Rifle: Mini-14, with Ultimak rail and Aimpoint red dot sight, a bunch of original Ruger 30 round mags, folding stock, and GunKote over the whole thing.

[John Forsyth]

Rifle: M1 Garand

Pistol: S&W M28 or a Colt 1911A1

[spacemanspiff]

i have two sets of answers....

the first is most practical (imho): a ruger .357mag handgun, and .357mag lever action rifle. say you could load up with 500 total rounds, and split that between two different calibers? i'd rather have a larger supply of one caliber.

my second reply is that i'd like my kimber tle ii, and my mauser.


does it matter if i have a different name for God than the majority?

[Skunkabilly]

You guys can't bring 75 round drums to California! :p I'd take a speargun because in 1840 I'd be coming to California in a boat :D :D :D (and a laundry machine to make my life easier when I get here :D :D :D )

OK seriously probably an HK91 with 20 round magazines, Aimpoint and night vision (for whacking things at night). Pistol...USP Expert .45.

Probably gotta kill something bigger than a coyote hence the .308/.45 over my usual .223/9mm preference.

[ReadyontheRight]

Rifle -- AR15 w/ a nice scope -- .223 because you can carry more rounds than .308 or 30-06.

Pistol -- 1911 .45 ACP for a little knock-down power.

[oldfart]

Since you've specified the year as 1840 I think whatever weapons I take probably won't have repair facilities along the way. It might be best to carry something that is utterly reliable and has very few parts.

I'd go with a good bolt-action rifle and a revolver. Those would both be more than adequate for defense against the indians of that time and for hunting too.

[JeepDriver]

Rifle:

Springfield M1A with plenty of 20 round mags

Hand gun:

Hard choice, either my G17 with as mant 17+2 mags as I can carry

*or*

My GP100 (there is just something about that gun)

I can't make up my mind which one to pick.

Can my 228 come along as well?

[45R]

Rifle: M1A with lots of mags

Pistol: 1911, Sig 226 or hummm MP5PDW :evil:

Knife: Strider or Benchmade :)

[Dave Markowitz]

Rifle: No.4 Mk.I Lee-Enfield with as many JSP rounds in stripper clips as I can carry.

Handgun: Stainless Ruger Super Single Six in .22 Mag. Same ballistics as a .22 LR rifle.

Both of these are simple, reliable, and practical. The Lee-Enfield is for protection and big game. The Ruger is for small game/birds.

Cutlery: Becker Combat/Utility 7, Gerber Mulitplier, Benchmade Griptilian, and a hatchet.

[capnrik]

With the proceeds, I'd hire Davey Crockett to guide me across the country.

The year is 1840. Colonel Crockett was killed in the Battle of the Alamo in Spring of 1836.

That said, I'd take my old M700 .30-06, and my Colt's Python. Small game with the .357, big game with the rifle, and keeping the peace with both.

[CWL]

OK OK, I thought he died in 1846... got my historical timelines confused.

With all this time travelling we're experiencing, it's hard to keep track. ;)

[Mannlicher]

Its hard to get into this thread. It would make a lot more sense if you asked what period guns, and why. Of course, not many know what was available then.

[JShirley]

Reckon I'll be different.

Smith and Wesson Schofield.
Ruger Old Army and conversion cylinder.

"Bring it!"

[Horsesense]

M1 & 1911 and Clamor's for setting up a parameter at camp. Smallpox vaccine Penicillin etc and camcorder.

About as small a caliber as I would want in Grizzly Country and still be useful in social situations that required heavy volume of fire.

After arriving in California, I would find Stutters Mill, do a little prospecting and then head south and get into politics.

[telomerase]

Reproduction black-powder muzzleloaders of models made before 1840 (don't want anyone figuring out when I'm from; it's going to be suspicious enough "discovering" all the mineral deposits, and "inventing" every low-tech gizmo I can remember.)

And I'm taking a boat down the Mississipi and a clipper to California (only due to the specification in this thread; then it's straight back to Connecticut and the best machine shops that can be rented). Do you REALLY think that it will matter to you that an M-16 is lying next to your decapitated 21st-century body on the plains? (It will matter to the confused Kiowa, but that's a poor revenge). After all the rock "music" and industrial noise you've subjected yourself to (we won't even mention what the military does to your hearing), no one on this board is going to hear an Indian sneaking through the dewy predawn grass.

Oops, read the whole thread and Skunkabilly was way ahead of me on this tactical issue. Well, that's no surprise.

[Skunkabilly]

Oops, read the whole thread and Skunkabilly was way ahead of me on this tactical issue. Well, that's no surprise.

Color me :confused:

[Feanaro]

By vehicle:

An M240 mounted on a carriage(horse-powered obviously). Fill the passenger compartment with ammo. USP 45.

By foot:

M14/M1A with spare mags, USP 45.

[brownie0486]

Winchester lever 44 mag in 18 inch tube

super blackhawk in 44 mag with 4 3/4" barrel

Both utterly reliable

In the fantasy world it would be an m1a and glock 30

Brownie

[Malone LaVeigh]

I keep wondering where you folks are going to get smokeless powder when you run out.

[SodaPop]

Mini 14 and Beretta 92FS

[Brian Williams]

.I keep wondering where you folks are going to get smokeless powder when you run out
That is why I mentioned a 1894 Marlin and a Ruger old model blackhawk in 357, they both could be loaded with Black powder.

My problem would be primers and I specified 10,000 right from the start. That is a lot of shooting.