Cor-Bon's Pow'R Ball in .380 ACP


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Lobotomy Boy
May 29, 2008, 12:48 PM
Cor-Bon's Pow'R Ball ammo seems like the ideal defensive round in a .380. It has the penetration of FMJ and the expansion of a good hollow point. It seems like it would help compensate for the relatively weak .380 ACP round. Anyone tried it in a Kel-Tec or a LCP?

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Shade00
May 29, 2008, 12:53 PM
I run Pow'Rball in my PPK/S. The gentleman over at Gunblast.com tested Powr'ball when he reviewed the LCP and the results were impressive. Only Buffalo Bore beat it. Something like 1100+ fps coming out of the LCP. Anyway, I've never had to shoot anyone with it and hope I never do, but I feel confident in it.

Rex B
May 29, 2008, 02:26 PM
I've carried PowerBall, but the tests results I have seen were mixed.
I'm back to DPX or MagTech in my .380s

FranklyTodd
May 29, 2008, 02:48 PM
I haven't tried it yet, but I intend to. I've given up finding it locally and haven't yet taken the time to find it online.

I saw the Gunblast review, and liked the velocity, but I also find myself biting on the marketing hype that it will feed more reliably...

Am I being taken for a ride there, or does the round front appreciably aid feeding compared to a traditional hollow point?

BTW - no major feed issues with my LCP so far, using WWB, small-shop reloads, and Cor-Bon High Velocity JHPs. Just looking for every reliability advantage...

jocko
May 29, 2008, 03:38 PM
that is a really nice round. I have shot it in my lcp with zero issues, but I just keep going back to the corbon dpx round for the 380 and my 9mm. But to say i don't like the power ball would be lying. It is a good round, especially if you have a semi that is alittle ammo sensitive. If it won't feed pwerball, u got big time problems.

MICHAEL T
May 29, 2008, 11:56 PM
I belive if your pistol will feed DPX is a better choice.

EHL
May 30, 2008, 01:28 AM
+1 on the DPX!!!:D

jocko
May 30, 2008, 04:09 AM
It is an excellent round,, especially if ur 380 is somewhat ammo sensiitive. If it won't shoot pwoerball, it probably won't shoot anything else. BUT that being said, iI still love the corbon DPX round for my 380 and 9mm. Can't go wrong with either one IMO.

kokapelli
May 30, 2008, 10:53 AM
Cor-Bon's Pow'R Ball ammo seems like the ideal defensive round in a .380. It has the penetration of FMJ and the expansion of a good hollow point.

Not so! If a 380 round expands, it's not going to have the penetration of a fmj. 380 just doesn't have enough energy to push an expanded bullet very deep!

If I remember correctly, the DPX round will penetrate 8" to 10" 0f ballistic gelatin while a fmj will go clean through a 16" block of gelatin.

If your satisfied with 8" to 10" of penetration, go with the CorBon DPX, but if you want more penetration, use a fmj.

Orion8472
May 30, 2008, 11:13 AM
But isn't 8" - 10" deep enough for "the vitals"? Or do I misunderstand the purpose/reason for how/why ballistic gel is used? :confused:

kokapelli
May 30, 2008, 11:20 AM
Not according to the FBI!

FBI Ballistic Test Protocol:
Briefly, the performance standards are simple. A handgun bullet must consistently penetrate a minimum of 12 inches of tissue in order to reliably penetrate vital organs within the human target regardless of the angle of impact or intervening obstacles such as arms, clothing, glass, etc. Penetration of 18 inches is even better.

Read it HERE. (http://www.greent.com/40Page/general/fbitest.htm)

jocko
May 30, 2008, 12:49 PM
a hollow point that works as it should will never do what a fmj can in penetration, but IMO the massive tissue damage up to that possble 10" is far more than just the round hole a fmj will ever produce. This is a subject that can be argued until the cows come home to, so shoot what you like and also shoot what your gun likes. DPX FOR THIS GUY all the way, oh and did I say Screw the FBI.

Kindrox
May 30, 2008, 01:39 PM
DPX FOR THIS GUY all the way, oh and did I say Screw the FBI.

There it is. Anything more on the subject is beating a dead horse.

Rex B
May 30, 2008, 02:59 PM
Heck, you have 6 or 7 rounds, why not load 2 each of 3 types?
I have enough types I could probably load 2 mags with no two alike.

You are probably going to empty the mag anyway, one of them should do the trick.

kokapelli
May 30, 2008, 03:37 PM
Expanding hollow point = 8+ inch track with bigger hole.

Full metal jacket = 16 + inch track with smaller hole.

If you hit an organ, 16" penetration assures two holes in the organ, one entrance hole and one exit hole.

Remember, sometimes we need a lot of penetration to reach an organ, because sometimes shoulders, arms and other things get in the way!

http://www.firearmstactical.com/tacticalbriefs/volume4/number3/images/armobstacles.jpg

jocko
May 30, 2008, 03:47 PM
:barf:whatever

16" is at least 6 inches outside my body...

kokapelli
May 30, 2008, 04:02 PM
You must really be small, because I'm only 5'6" tall and my chest is 14" deep and if I'm standing sideways like the guy in the picture, the bullet would have to penetrate 24" to make it through me.:)

jocko
May 30, 2008, 06:21 PM
I guess i was referring to a head on shot, not a sideways shot. probably right on that one, still give me dpx. Round holes don't do much for me... from that picture by the time a 380 fmj got through your arm bones, it would bounce off your shirt. These aren't wonder rounds at all.

Kindrox
May 30, 2008, 06:38 PM
My wife has 16 rounds of .380 in her Bersa. FMJ or HP, I suppose she just needs one round left before the perp is down or running.

Right now we are going with FMJ. I am more concerned with her running into a thick criminal than a thin one.

FranklyTodd
May 31, 2008, 08:46 AM
I think the polymer ball is supposed to aid feeding, but also help with initial penetration - like through clothing or a jacket - keeps the cloth from getting in the hollow cavity.

Obviously a little plastic ball isn't magical, and doesn't allow for 16" of expanded penetration...

Although the OP may have overstated his case - the point is well taken - it's arguably a good compromise.

Considering that there are those here arguing for traditional hollowpoints, and those arguing for FMJ, it's hard to criticize a round that compromises between the two!

Rokman
May 31, 2008, 05:51 PM
I shoot the powerballs in my Colt Mustang and Pony because they are ammo sensitive and I just can't get a full mag of any jhp ammo to shoot through them without a hitch. Powerballs work great in them when I can find them.

kokapelli
May 31, 2008, 05:58 PM
From Kindrox:
My wife has 16 rounds of .380 in her Bersa. FMJ or HP, I suppose she just needs one round left before the perp is down or running.

Kindrox, what model of Bersa holds 16 rounds of 380 ammo?

Kindrox
June 2, 2008, 05:08 PM
The Bersa Thunder Plus. It has a double stacked mag (15) +1 in the chamber. She loves it.

kokapelli
June 2, 2008, 05:17 PM
The Bersa Thunder Plus. It has a double stacked mag (15) +1 in the chamber. She loves it.

Thanks, I didn't know Bersa had a high cap magazine. does it fit the grip without sticking out, or making any adjustments?

Kindrox
June 2, 2008, 05:50 PM
Thanks, I didn't know Bersa had a high cap magazine. does it fit the grip without sticking out, or making any adjustments?

Yep, it's just like a real gun. The grip is a little thicker of course but not significantly so. For some reason I see very few Bersa Thunder Plus's about. Bullet trap usually has just one in stock and the last gun show only one single new gun dealer carried the Plus, and also only had one. Which I now have.

I simply don't see the Plus model for sale on the used market and after owning two I see why. The only down side is they only come with one mag and extra mags are $40. But I got the gun because my wife liked it, not for the price. Of course I would be happy if she moved up to a larger caliber but when the wife goes from not really liking any gun to really liking a .380, you go with it. Particularly when it's got 16 rounds.

jon_in_wv
June 2, 2008, 10:35 PM
+1 on screwing the FBI.

Lobotomy Boy
June 3, 2008, 06:13 PM
Right now I'm carrying the Cor-Bon because I can't find the Pow'R Ball anywhere in town, but if it buys even an extra two inches of penetration over the Cor-Bon, that puts it in the FBI's "acceptable" category, if only minimally, yet it still would maintain some expansion capability.

In the meantime I think alternating rounds--Magtech FMJ and Cor-Bon DPX (both of which feed 100 percent reliably in my LCP) in the magazine is a good idea.

Thanks for the feedback.

woad_yurt
June 4, 2008, 12:32 AM
I use FMJ in my P3AT. If I had power to spare, I'd go with hollowpoints. But, .380 doesn't have that power to spare and I want to know that the bullet penetrated sufficiently.

JaxNovice
June 4, 2008, 05:00 PM
I saw an episode of Crime 360 a few weeks back where the bad shot the victim with 10 rounds of 380 from a Hi Point. According to the police forensic team he was still standing after 9 shots. I found it interesting yet it might mean nothing to this thread.

kokapelli
June 4, 2008, 05:06 PM
Depends where he was hit and what he was on.

The Morro fighters in the Philippines kept coming after many hits with 38cal and when they went to 45cal, that frequently failed to stop them too.

The only thing that worked reliably was a shotgun with 00, or a rifle.

swordsman2000
July 4, 2008, 02:35 PM
there are stories of men getting shot 5 times with a 357 mag. and living....shot 1 time with a .22 and dying...a woman getting shot in the chest by a cops .45, then running 3 blocks before getting caught (and lived)

the military has field reports of desperate enemies still fighting after 1 of their arms was sheered off

in short...some people got 'game' and some don't....if i gotta shoot someone, i'm not stopping till the head is hit...

...any .380 round will do that just fine

makarovnik
July 4, 2008, 05:45 PM
Good round for slow moving bullets. Do they make it for the .25acp?

benzuncle
July 4, 2008, 06:02 PM
Lookin' for a "stopper bullet" eh? There's pretty much no such thing in handgun calibers. I mean will a BG be stopped by a 44 magnum round that hits him in the pinkie finger? Shot placement will help a lot. That involves practice, no? Remember: no one wants to leak. Expanding rounds only leave one hole typically but also typically do more internal damage. FMJ's can penetrate deeper and can leave 2 holes as previously mentioned. Then again, the FMJ might just leave a pencil sized hole through the person. Years ago, I had a friend that owned a Colt Python; he used this for his home defense firearm. He loaded this .357 with 2 rounds of FMJ. His reasoning was that he could shoot the perp through the doors or walls. The last 4 rounds were HP's. These were in case he missed'em with those first 2 rounds. One of my carry pieces is an NAA Guardian loaded with 102gr Remington Golden Sabers. They will penetrate 8in. and expand to about .58in, tearin' up internal stuff along the way. My other 2 carry pieces are 45's. Thud thud.

jocko
July 4, 2008, 08:27 PM
corbon.com for power ball or their dpx round. i have shot both in my 380 lcp, if you have the slightest hiinderance of fear in HP's feeding, then indeed go to the power ball. an excellent round IMO and if it won't feed, then peddle the gun...

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