U.k. "museum No Place For Guns - Mum"


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cuchulainn
August 21, 2003, 08:13 AM
from the Nottingham Evening Post

http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=66056&command=displayContent&sourceNode=65583&contentPK=6744508MUSEUM NO PLACE FOR GUNS - MUM
12:00 - 21 August 2003

Weapons handed in to Notts Police during a recent month-long guns amnesty are on display at the Galleries of Justice.

But the idea has angered anti-gun campaigner Lucy Cope, whose son Damian, 22, formerly from Nottingham, was shot dead outside a London nightclub last year.

The museum hopes to teach youngsters about the problem of gun crime across the county - and believes letting them see real firearms will be educational.

The eight guns, which go on display today, will eventually form part of a major new exhibition later this year on the life of the Kray Twins.

Quotes deploring the use of guns from pop stars Asher D of So Solid Crew and Ms Dynamite are in the display, which curator Louise Connell insists does not glorify gun culture in any way.

"We have made sure not to do that," she told the Post.

"All the guns on display are deactivated, and cannot be re-activated."

The weapons are in the Special Exhibitions section, near the Rizer website room, designed to turn young people from a life of crime and focusing on the criminal justice system.

Home Secretary David Blunkett and Glen Williams, of the Notts Black Police Association, will also be quoted.

"These guns were donated to the museum by the police and complement all the work we do with youth groups," said Ms Connell.

"The weapons are not dangerous, and I have deliberately not included any information about how the guns were manufactured.

The April gun amnesty - which enjoyed nationwide success when more than 40,000 guns were handed in - ran alongside Notts Police's Operation Stealth.

The 500 or so firearms surrendered in Notts represented more than the number handed over in the county in the aftermath of the Dunblane massacre.

That amnesty - in June 1996 - saw 450 guns surrendered to Notts Police.

But Mrs Cope, who formed and heads the nationwide Mothers Against Guns campaign, said the display should be scrapped.

The organisation, which has 394 members, is lobbying the Government to ban the sale of replica guns.

"There is nothing educational in this whatsoever," she said.

"I have spoken to kids who have said they feel powerful around guns. These firearms should be destroyed, not put in a museum. They are not historical items - they have no place there."

However, Det Chief Insp Ian Waterfield, who heads Operation Stealth, praised the new display - and said it could educate children.

"Part of our Stealth campaign is aimed at young people and telling them about the dangers of getting involved with guns," he said.

"It is up to the people accompanying youngsters to the museum to then tell them about how dangerous guns are and why they should not get involved with them.

"And by getting quotes from pop stars these kids look up to, hopefully that will also act as a positive.

"For some kids it is already too late, they are already involved in crime. But there are many who will see this display and, by seeing guns up close, will be educated about how dangerous they can be."

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El Tejon
August 21, 2003, 08:15 AM
Good grief!:eek:

Iain
August 21, 2003, 08:18 AM
394 members? Wow - huge.

Is it just me or does everybody come across as moronic in that article? I used to deliver the Nottingham Evening Post many years ago and it was a bizarre paper.

However, Det Chief Insp Ian Waterfield, who heads Operation Stealth, praised the new display - and said it could educate children.

"Part of our Stealth campaign is aimed at young people and telling them about the dangers of getting involved with guns," he said.

What all guns? In rifle ranges there are dangers of crime?

Sometimes I agree with some of you about aspects of my country.

Henry Bowman
August 21, 2003, 09:28 AM
and believes letting them see real firearms will be educational.
:rolleyes:

Dorrin79
August 21, 2003, 09:53 AM
I liked the part about how

"The weapons are not dangerous, and I have deliberately not included any information about how the guns were manufactured.

LOL!

two things about that:

1) how many 'kids' are going to run home to the machine shop and build an assault rifle after reading a museum blurb on the "ways guns work"

2) people who actually intended to build their own guns aren't going to learn how at a museum. They'll use one of hundreds of legal books to do so.

I'd cry for England, if I wasn't too busy laughing...

:rolleyes:

BowStreetRunner
August 21, 2003, 10:34 AM
i feel so sorry for those poor british soldiers who have to handle guns for their job.....it must corrupt their hearts so much

seeker_two
August 21, 2003, 10:41 AM
If this sets precedence, the British War Museum could become rather boring... :uhoh:

Sometimes I agree with some of you about aspects of my country.

Hope springs eternal... :D

Iain
August 21, 2003, 10:56 AM
It was the quote 'I have spoken to children and they say they feel more powerful around guns'. What the hell does that mean?

Whoever said the British War Museum would be rather boring was absolutely correct. Waiting for 'Mothers against the displaying of swords' to arise.

I promise you though - most people I speak to are not as moronically anti-gun as the people in the above article.

Zedicus
August 21, 2003, 09:38 PM
Reminds me of a old and very popular interview (see quote below)
A Marine Corps General was interviewed on the radio by a female interviewer concerning guns and children. Below is a portion of a National Public Radio (NPR) interview between the female broadcaster and US Marine Corps General as he was preparing to sponsor a Boy Scout Troop visiting his military installation.

FEMALE INTERVIEWER: So, General, what things are you going to teach these young boys when they visit your base?

GENERAL : We're going to teach them climbing, canoeing, archery, and shooting.

FEMALE INTERVIEWER: Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible, isn't it?

GENERAL : I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the rifle range.

FEMALE INTERVIEWER: Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?

GENERAL : I don't see how. We will be teaching them proper rifle discipline before they even touch a firearm.

FEMALE INTERVIEWER: But you're equipping them to become violent killers.

GENERAL : Well, you're equipped to be a prostitute, but you're not one, are you?

The radio went silent and the interview Abruptly ended.
Very fitting if you ask me....

Ian Sean
August 21, 2003, 11:20 PM
Sounds like the movie Demolition Man, Stallone and Snipes fighting it out in the museum to get the evil guns. Not to far-fetched now in the UK ehh?

Zedicus
August 21, 2003, 11:38 PM
Sounds like the movie Demolition Man, Stallone and Snipes fighting it out in the museum to get the evil guns. Not to far-fetched now in the UK ehh?
Good Point....:scrutiny:

WonderNine
August 21, 2003, 11:48 PM
These firearms should be destroyed, not put in a museum. They are not historical items - they have no place there."

:cuss:

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Hkmp5sd
August 22, 2003, 12:27 AM
The amusing thing in Demolition Man was the museum conveniently included tons of live ammunition in the display.

atek3
August 22, 2003, 12:35 AM
nice sheeple pic

Orthonym
August 22, 2003, 02:16 AM
Last night I was looking at the Imperial War Museum web site and found a notice saying something like only serious, official researchers who can prove their identities will be allowed to look at the firearms collection.:what:

PrudentGT
August 22, 2003, 03:26 AM
And there you have it ladies and gentleman, the end result of compromise and 'reasonable' gun laws: People getting their knickers in a twist over things that look like guns (guns, after all, fire projectiles) in a museum

WonderNine
August 22, 2003, 04:25 AM
Last night I was looking at the Imperial War Museum web site and found a notice saying something like only serious, official researchers who can prove their identities will be allowed to look at the firearms collection.

That has nothing to do with just firearms. All museums work that way as far as collections. Now if you're talking about actual displays that "they only allow official researchers to look at" :scrutiny:

Mk VII
August 22, 2003, 07:43 AM
as he says, all museums work that that if you want to do hands-on research.
I just make an appointment, go down there and wait in a room and they bring half-a-dozen Thompsons, or whatever it is that I want to examine today.

2dogs
August 22, 2003, 09:08 AM
Quotes deploring the use of guns from pop stars Asher D of So Solid Crew and Ms Dynamite are in the display,

Well, at first this seemed a silly idea. But when such luminaries as Asher D and Ms Dynamite have lent their collective genius and expertise to the cause- well shut me up!

Why, we'll all be so much better off when Asher D and Ms Dynamite (I'm old- never heard of them) and their minions are ruling the world- wow, I can't wait!:rolleyes:

Iain
August 22, 2003, 09:56 AM
The point behind those quotes from these 'young whippersnapper poplets' ;) , is that rather crudely many associate rap and other urban music with guns and gun violence. Thus positive role models are sought.

Whether it genuinely works is another matter.

P95Carry
August 22, 2003, 10:06 AM
Wondernine .... let me join you ..... I think the wall is big enough for the both of us ..... :rolleyes:

:cuss: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

(This type of ''Mum'' ....... has surely got some lack of neuronic connections in the cerebral dept?? ........... the ''logic center'' most likely!)

Orthonym
August 22, 2003, 10:26 PM
I see and understand your arguments. We don't want people stealing/vandalizing rare old goodies, and knowing who they are and where to find them would deter such. That said, I do wonder how many firearms are displayed in the public areas of the I.W. Museum.(with appropriate security measures, of course)

Edit: Aren't there a couple of humongous naval guns right out in front of the IWM (formerly Bedlam:D )

Mk VII
August 23, 2003, 10:02 AM
There are quite a lot in the cabinets - about as much as anyone could wish for. At one time they started putting steel cables down all the barrels of them to chain them to the cabinets but they seem to have stopped that now.
The 15" rifles came from the battleship RAMILLIES and the monitor ROBERTS, which was retained as a turret drill ship until the 1960s.

Jaguar
August 23, 2003, 12:05 PM
ZedicusReminds me of a old and very popular interview (see quote below)
Sorry, that is not true. It was originally a Welsh joke on several web pages in 1997, has been transformed to US and still makes it around the net from time to time.

The military denies it, NPR denies it. Never happened but I like the joke anyway, very funny.

For more information look it up at http://www.snopes.com/military/reinwald.htm
Just wanting to keep it real.

Blain
August 23, 2003, 12:30 PM
Those people must really enjoy being slaves.

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