Please enlighten me (about Taurus firearms)


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DataMax
May 30, 2008, 10:44 PM
I am 54 y/o, bought my 1st handgun the day I turned 21 ... have been shooting my whole life ... and have never owned and/or fired a Taurus handgun of any kind. I am for the first time considering the purchase of a Taurus firearm. The weapon under consideration is a PT 24/7 OSS.

As I have NO experience with Taurus firearms I am in serious need of enlightenment. Please tell me about quality, reliability, customer service ... have you been happy with your Taurus firearms, disappointed, or indifferent?

Anyone own a 24/7 OSS in 40S&W?

Please talk to me!

Thank you much,
Mark

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varoadking
May 30, 2008, 11:09 PM
...quality, reliability, customer service ...

At or near the bottom of the barrel on all counts...

lions
May 30, 2008, 11:26 PM
I own a PT92 and couldn't be happier with it. Around 6K round with NO problems. They have a lifetime warranty on everything so that should give you some peace of mind.

Jason_G
May 30, 2008, 11:54 PM
I own a PT92 and couldn't be happier with it. Around 6K round with NO problems.
That's good.
Thay have a lifetime warranty on everything so that should give you some peace of mind
From what I've been hearing lately, that's how long it takes for them to fix it and send it back... before you have to send it in again to have them fix what they fixed in the first place.

Taurus is hit or miss quite frankly, and when they miss, it seems there's not much recovery from the service dept. Some models are better than others, but even then it's all relative. Models that seem to have the least problems are the Beretta and 1911 knock-offs. Do a search and see how many complaints you run into vs. those from other companies. Honest to God, unless that was all I could afford, I wouldn't touch one with a 10' pole, and even then I would seriously consider a Hi Point over the bull. JMHO though.

Jason

basicblur
May 31, 2008, 12:46 AM
I've got a Taurus PT145 (Millennium Pro/all black/with rail) and I really like this gun AFA feel, features, capacity etc. At the time I bought it, I was in the market for a 45ACP that was relatively small with a reasonable magazine capacity, good features and price.
After retiring, I took all the guns Iíve been collecting (but never had time to shoot) to the range for a little practice. 2 things I donít like about my Taurus:
1. Could not hit squat with it!
2. If memory serves, the owner manual says do NOT dry fire!
Note Iíve only taken it to the range once, so maybe itís ammo sensitive, but I was steadily knocking down/ringing plates with a SIG P229R (357 SIG), HK USPc (40 S&W), Walther PPK, Walther P22, Colt 1991A1, Springfield XD40 SC, and S&W Sigma 9VE.

Until I can get back to the range for more testing, Iíd be afraid to CC the Taurus due to my pathetic accuracy with it!

My memory may be fuzzy, but Iím pretty sure the manual said do NOT dry fire (think this is the only pistol I have that says do NOT). While I tend to use snap caps for dry fire practice, it disturbs me somewhat that the gun is not designed so that dry firing will not hurt it.
ĎCourse, there may be no difference between it and my other pistols (that say dry firing is OK)-maybe Taurus is just being cautious?

AnywhoÖdownload an owner manual at their website and read before you decide.
I was really hesitant Ďbout buying the Taurus, but research seemed to indicate their quality/design/reputation for autos has been steadily improving, so I went for it.
I hope I can iron out my accuracy problems with it, as I really want to like this gun!

RH822
May 31, 2008, 12:56 AM
If you do a search, you will find that the majority of THR members do not like Taurus. However, if you were to poll those same members, you will find that the majority never owned a Taurus. I have 5 of them and have never had a problem with any of them. As for accuracy, they're not target guns, but they do hit whatever I am aiming at. I do not own an OSS but I do own a 24\7 in 40S&W, it's my primary carry gun and it has been nothing but reliable.
If you want one then get one. After all, your opinion is the only one that really matters anyway.

RH

weregunner
May 31, 2008, 01:08 AM
Why not go to www.taurusarmed.net and ask the owners,do searches of the archives, and read new and old threads. Gun specific question may need a gun specific set of answers.
If asking aobut a Colt ,Springfield XD, Beretta, or other brand, would it not make sense to go to their forums and browse?

I can bring up links on the OSS and other Taurus stuff if wanted from there if need be. . Just PM me. Or say the word and I can send the OSS links and any other info needed from the archives to interested parties.

Might as well get things first hand.
There's Taurus Talk at MSN also as another source.

Sunray
May 31, 2008, 01:22 AM
"...Thay(sic) have a lifetime warranty..." With reportedly poor customer service.
When Taurus revolvers first came to Canada, long ago, they had all kinds of tool marks etc on them. They've since fixed that.

weregunner
May 31, 2008, 01:46 AM
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=1814.0
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=293984
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=2492.msg18070#msg18070

http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index/php?topic=1574.msg1422#msg1422

http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=7081.msg66635#msg66635

http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=2944.msg22391#msg
22391

http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=3623.msg28010#msg28010

http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=898.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=143.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=4667.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?board=22.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=6273.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=6837.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=4379.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=5835.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=6128.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=7111.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=4122.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=6016.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=6717.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=2152.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=1266.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=5755.0

mainmech48
May 31, 2008, 02:13 AM
All I can tell you is that I've owned two Taurus handguns and have had very good service from both.

I still have the little 4" stainless M94 I bought about 20 years ago. Nothing's broken or worn out in several thousand rds and it's quite accurate with its favorite loads. It's accurate enough for plinking and general fun shooting with about any good brand of .22 ammo.

I owned a Taurus PT100 in .40 S&W for several years. It was extremely reliable ( I had exactly zero malfs in over 1K rounds) shot to POA with 180 gr. ammo and would put a full mag of them into a bit under 3" at 25 yds from a bench and bags when I was having a good day. I sold it to a fellow at my club who wanted it more than I did.

Mark K. C.
May 31, 2008, 02:30 AM
I own 2 of their revolvers and am very satisfied with them. 500 rounds a peice through both of them with nary a glitch. I am sure that another Taurus will be added to the herd in the future.

Steve C
May 31, 2008, 04:56 AM
Here is an article on the 24/7 OSS http://gunblast.com/Taurus-OSS45.htm

I have had a Taurus pt92 old model with standard non decocking safety for 20 years or so and have never had any problems with it. I've shot it extensively mostly with handloads and it functions with near 100% reliability. I've had only a couple FTF in those 20 years and its been ammo related and not the fault of the pistol.

Can't tell you anything about the companies customer service as I've never had to use it.

gunman42782
May 31, 2008, 05:05 AM
I have owned 4 over the years. All that I owned were decent guns.

NGIB
May 31, 2008, 05:33 AM
I've owned 3, still own 1. My new 24/7 Pro had to go back to the factory a week after I bought it for trigger problems. It took 2 1/2 months to get it back - but at least it was fixed. My PT92 was a great gun and very reliable. As others have said, it's hit or miss with Taurus and customer service can be good or very bad...

loop
May 31, 2008, 06:43 AM
messed up. server timed out and I lost my post.

Sorry.

FieroCDSP
May 31, 2008, 06:58 AM
I agree that they seem hit or miss. I fired a revolver a fellow THR member offered up and it did the job, was fairly accurate for a snubbie, functioned smooth and correctly. I think their revolvers are okay for the most part, but their autos....eeh.... I don't think I'd have a hang-up on the brand if their CS had a bit better reputation.

I would seriously consider a Hi Point over the bull

Made in Ohio, lifetime warranty, and quick service, from what I hear. I just can't stand how ugly they are. ::shudders::

gcrookston
May 31, 2008, 08:55 AM
I have a PT1911 without issues. Very well made, fit and finish are quality. Put together well and extremely accurate. It's had to make an opinion with just one gun, but my limited experience has been positive

Don Lu
May 31, 2008, 09:05 AM
I own two..have shot many more..dont see them as more problematic than any other gun out there. Ive never had a problem w/any that Ive owned or shot. I have however had problems w/my Smith. but i wouldnt go as far as to say smith is hit or miss..i was just unlucky..a company couldnt survive or even thrive if there product was just hit or miss. It appears to me that the company is thriving and doing well for a reason.

Vonderek
May 31, 2008, 09:36 AM
I have 2, both revolvers. One is a .22 that has given me no problems. The other is a .38 that was very unreliable early on....light primer strikes on every brand of ammo I tried. My experience with Taurus customer service could be classified as fair. I had to pay for shipping and it took about two months to get the gun back. The repair performed fixed the problem. So in my limited experience (2 guns) Taurus is a 50/50 proposition. Personally nothing in their catalog excites me and with my past experience I will pass on them in the future.

mr.72
May 31, 2008, 10:20 AM
for similar price and features, there may be others that you could consider with better customer service and quality track records such as (in order of price):

S&W SW40VE
Springfield XD .40
Ruger P944
S&W M&P .40
Walther P99
Glock 22/23

DataMax
May 31, 2008, 10:35 AM
After reading what everyone had to say and talking with my local dealer I decided to order the 24/7 OSS. The price wasn't bad ($495) and my dealer told me that the gun carried a Lifetime Replacement Guarantee. I am being told that if I get a lemon it will be taken care of.

It works like this……

If anything ever goes wrong with any gun you buy with Davidson's GuaranteeD Lifetime Replacement coverage, it will be replaced. If no replacement is available, it will be repaired at no charge to you. Simple. Just return it to our store, a GuaranteeD dealer, and we'll do the rest. You are assured peace of mind on your gun purchase plus a GuaranteeD firearm that will continue to work for as long as you own it. And, we work fast for you -- from the time Davidson's receives your gun you'll have a replacement in three days if one is available. Of course, you are responsible for paying the shipping charge to them and they'll get it back to you at their expense.

I suppose I can't really go wrong if what I am being told is true.

I have a good relationship with my dealer and I do trust him ... I guess this purchase will put that trust to the test.

Thanks for all the input and the link to TaurusArmed.net ... I had not found it on my own.

- Mark

Don357
May 31, 2008, 11:00 AM
I had a Mil-Pro PT-140 and sold it. BIG mistake! It was a fine gun, never a problem. It was easy to carry and had a 10rd mag. It shot POA at 30ft with maybe a palm sized group with cheap ammo and free handed. Taurus is the "Great Impersonator", most of their guns are copies of brand name guns and most are as good or even better than the originals. The revolvers are copied from Smith & Wesson, Ruger, and Colt, and they have copied Berreta, Colt, and Smith & Wesson for their autos. And I'm sure you know that Taurus owns Rossi. I would not hesitate to buy another one.

freebird60
May 31, 2008, 11:40 AM
I own a PT140 first generation(bought new in 2004). The spring came out the front at about 150 rounds, which after reading taurus.net I found I had put in backwards:confused: I've only put about 400 rounds through it so far with no other problems. Also, after reading all the things said about the first generation guns, I may be in for more problems in the future with this model. I love the fit of this gun in my hand!

MadMercS55
May 31, 2008, 11:54 AM
My experience seems that the PT92 series is a decent platform, almost in league with the Beretta 92 in some cases. I've owned several Taurus revolvers with only 1 being 100% even after warranty service. I've also witnessed several failings of their Millenium series, mainly in .45acp. Their 1911 seemed like a nice package, but from the 2 I've fired and a few more I've handled, they are very hit or miss as well. I'd probably say if it isn't a PT92 then stay away from taurus.

jackdanson
May 31, 2008, 12:09 PM
Sounds like a good dealer to me. My local guys are "you're on your own" once you buy something. I had a taurus snubbie and never had a problem with it, I was actually impressed with the quality for the price.

bikerdoc
May 31, 2008, 04:11 PM
before discovering the CZ 75 My 92 was my edc, still use the 605 as a bug. just my .02

MMCSRET
May 31, 2008, 09:14 PM
Bought a used Taurus mdl441, 6" s/s 44 spl. Neglected by previous owner. cleaned and tightened and it is as good as any of my Colts, Smiths, or Rugers. Guns are just machinery and can be maintained and repaired by most anyone with a basic understanding of their workings, mostly it takes patience.

jhco
May 31, 2008, 09:27 PM
simply put there the hyundi of the gun world what i mean is they arent total junk but they are no mercedes, they do ok,but their just not the best. i have thought about the 24/7 in 45 once or twice but i never took the plundge i guess it filled a niche i didnt have

jakeswensonmt
June 1, 2008, 01:49 AM
Please tell me about quality
Hit or miss. Those with "hits" love them, but there seem to be a conspicuously large number of us who have had lemons.

reliability
Excellent, the gun never failed to fire. Too bad the accuracy was so poor that the target usually only had only a couple holes in it after a full 17+1. And before anyone says otherwise, I'm not a bad shot, do fine with SIG or Ruger. Even the tiny DAO Kel Tec P11 did lots better.

customer service
Dismal. If you get a "miss" in the quality department, stock up on Excedrin, you're gonna need it. I ended up selling the 24/7 rather than continue to spar with Taurus repair.

rcellis
June 1, 2008, 01:53 AM
I've owned 5 - one was an out-of-box failure (revolver - timing was off) and the dealer took it back. All others, revolvers and semi-autos have been well made, reliable, and accurate... of course I practice.

Ifishsum
June 1, 2008, 02:22 AM
Have fun with it DataMax. I just purchased my fifth Taurus (both revolvers nd autos) and have had very good luck with them. Only had to deal with their customer service once and I was happy with the outcome. I almost bought the 24/7 a couple of years ago but opted for the PT-140 Millennium Pro for CCW purposes due to the smaller size. It's been flawless from round one, and i've got about 800 rounds through it so far.

cmanhome
June 1, 2008, 11:09 AM
Varoadking:
Have you any experience with a Taurus orare you replacing experience with what you have read about them from other users. I have one and am very satisfied with the complete operation of it.
Speaking from true experience.
cmanhome
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NRA Member
Florida CWP holder
Kel-Tek P32 acp
Bersa Thunder 380 DLX
Taurus PT92SS
S&W SW40ve
Accu-Tek 380
S&W 38 Special
Browning BDA380
CZ 70
High Point C9
Taurus PT25 (wife's)
Beretta 25 acp (wife's)
Soon to have more added to my collection...

DataMax
June 2, 2008, 10:20 PM
Fortunately I am lucky enough to have several choices in the safe for any particular activity. This purchase is simply an "I want" thing. And what I would like is a high cap tac type pistol in .40 S&W. I have owned a couple of EAA's, didn't really care for them. I also tried a Para P16-40 and didn't really like it either. So I thought I would try an SA XDM ... then I came across the 24/7 OSS and I really like the feature set ... so I am giving it a try. I will pick it up either tomorrow or Wednesday. I plan to shoot pins with it Wednesday night.

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