Is the 357 fading away?

[SlamFire1]

I was shooting at the range today, and realized that no one else was shooting a 357. Then I began to think, I had not seen anyone shooting one in a while.

So, is the 357 just fading away?

[jaydubya]

More to the point, I see few REVOLVERS in use at my range. Just me and another geezer, and we both also fire autoloaders.
Cordially, Jack

[Byron]

I see a lot of 38 Special brass but few 357 cases at my range. Some say the noise and recoil bother them,others not enough firepower. I reload 357 and shoot it quite often. Byron

[Wildfire]

Hey There:
I don't think the .357 are ever going away. Most are used for hunting. Among other things and just aren't brought out much.

maybe the high ammo cost altely is part of it for those how don't reload.

[papajohn]

Compared to the mid-80's, yes, they're a lot less evident. That's to be expected, as the tide turns more and more to autoloaders. Me, I'm loading more 357 than I have in several years, but I'm shooting most of it out of a Marlin rifle!

PJ

[rcmodel]

I think the younger generation has been brainwashed to think if it isn't made out of plastic, and hold half a box of ammo in one mag, it really isn't a worthy gun for any self-respecting "operator" to use.

Too bad!

So many now don't know what they are missing when it comes to superior accuracy and long range in a handgun.

rcmodel

[_N4Z_]

357mag are the only handguns I own.

Cost of ammo has cramped my style, but reloading will keep them going to the range. Atleast the range I use. ;)


I have noticed there is not much left over brass at the range, in that caliber anyway.

[jhco]

Nope

[TRN]

Perhaps less interest in it with the younger generation....who knows

[Treo]

I've noticed lately that revolvers in general are kinda gettin' scarce. I think the .357 went into a semi decline when cops switched to nines.

[W.E.G.]

Yeah, the .357 is obsolete. Completely useless.

No idea why anybody would want one.

That's the fact JACK!

(...snaps up another unloved Security Six :) )

[LeonCarr]

As far as self defense cartridges go, in documented gunfights the .357 is still the king.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

[ahpd1992]

I agree that the younger generation in law enforcement wants nothing ot do with revolvers. When my department hired a new chief he opened up the choice of caliber for duty use from 9mm only. I couldnt decide what I was going to buy (ended up w/ a Glock 35 converted to .357sig) so I carried my 586 for about a year or so. I can tell you it was like living in bizzaro land, the young guys all thought I had some antique on my hip. I had one guy pull me aside and express his concern for my safety w/ "only 6 rounds" available. It was interesting to say the least. BTW I usually shoot in the 90% range in dept qualifications, and I am a faster reload then the majority of my fellow autoloading officers.

It appears revolvers are now somewhat of a boutique item for target shooters and hunters. Its a shame S&W has come out w/ some beautiful modern revolvers (the 8 shot n frame .357 is one of my favorites) but the price, and lack of available duty gear makes them only a wish for me. In the end I do shoot much better w/ an autoloader then a revolver, but I still think they are a viable option.

PS the feds no longer allow revolvers, so the tone has been set for law enforcment

[Geronimo45]

Maybe. May have something to do with all the CCW laws that have been passed in the past two decades. Little guns are so popular that even Ruger's going for the CC market with the LCP.
Little revolvers come chambered in .357 or .38. A tiny, lightweight gun in .357 seems like a swell idea. Then you fire it.
After wiping the blood from your ears (hearing protection is for sissies, you thought), bandaging the sore on your hand, and drying the tears in your eyes, you decide that .38 Special is a superior cartridge. :D
The .38 Special is also cheaper... and with increased ammo prices, cheaper is more meaningful than it used to be.

P.S.
May have something to do with "revolvers are a teriffic gun for women/gun owners who never shoot/idiots." It might be seen as a newbie's gun. True Warriors (TM) carry semis.

[Cosmoline]

A few months back some newbies with tuppernines asked me if I was shooting a "cowboy gun."

It was my Detective Special.

I should have said "yippee ka'yay" but I had no snappy comeback. Telling them it was only made in the 1950's probably wouldn't have helped much. To them that's the far distant past.

[txoilman]

No way is the mighty .357 going away. If all you bullet-oligist review the launching speed of the .357 158 grain and compare it to the now-mighty .40 160 grain you will see what I mean. The .357 whacks the hot forty like its a bad dog. I know someone will bring up the double tap and buffalo bore lines. But how many gun shops keep a full line of those expensive as all get out ammo in stock.

For me, you really don't want to be standing on the wrong end of that puny .357, when loaded with either the 158 or 145 ST loadings that I prefer. Just maybe six rounds with six holes in and six holes out from my K frame snubbie may be enough to convince mr/ms bad person to go somewhere else.

Yeah its a big bang flash, but it still works, just like in 1935 young'uns.

[Fat Boy]

"I think the younger generation has been brainwashed to think if it isn't made out of plastic, and hold half a box of ammo in one mag, it really isn't a worthy gun for any self-respecting "operator" to use"

+1

[sm]

rcmodel wrote:
I think the younger generation has been brainwashed to think if it isn't made out of plastic, and hold half a box of ammo in one mag, it really isn't a worthy gun for any self-respecting "operator" to use.

<crosses fingers>

Well you old fart! The young bunch is correct!
I am 53 years old and have seen the light, and I am suggesting everyone get rid of wheelguns period, not just .357, the whole lot of the darn things, from .22 rimfire on up -especially the blued , and for sure the older ones!

Send the darn things to me and I'll get them out of your hair!

<un-crosses fingers>

*lightening bolts!*

[PennsyPlinker]

Well I like autoloaders, and I like .357 magnum. I've got one wheelie in .357 mag, but the perfect solution is my new (to me) Desert Eagle in .357 magnum! :evil: It ain't cheap to shoot, but it sure is fun.

[yakkingallover]

Well I am the dreaded younger generation and my carry is a S&W M&P 340 in .357. Also on Monday I am sending out a moneyorder and FFL for what I consider my Holy Grail a S&W 19-2. Blued,4inch barrel and 6 shots of pinned and recessed glory. So please go easy on the younger generation some of us have better things to do than watch American idol...

[saemetric]

In the last 2 years I have bought 9 hanguns-4 of which are .357 mag. and seven out of those 9 are revolvers. But I'm over 60. Bruce

[ArmedBear]

I think a lot of people have .357's.

The .357 is not an exciting gun any more. It just works well. So they stay in nightstands while toy-a-holics shoot their .500 S&Ws and the first-gun-shooters shoot their plastic 9mm's. 9mm is a lot cheaper these days, too, even than .38 Special range loads. I've grabbed a 9mm more often myself, and .22's more often than that, lately, when heading rangeward.:)

[mordechaianiliewicz]

Yes and no. I don't think it'll die anytime soon. But, it will have to share the stage with all the autoloading rounds.

[give]

man i hope not,i happen to love .357's,actueally looking to get a small frame at the moment,like a wheel gun for the simple fact that there is hardly ever any jamming,i know a lot of people love auto's,and they are great guns,but i feel safer with less moving parts that can cause you a bad time,just my opinion

[kmrcstintn]

(heavy sarcasm & bias contained)

only to people that think that autoloaders are the only type of hand held firearms in existence :p

if someone is dumb enough to wander into the woods with a .40 S&W autoloader loaded with 165gr hollowpoints (that are meant as antipersonnel rounds for nasty perpetrators) and use them to defend themselves against bears...well...:scrutiny:

I wouldn't do it; give me a 'wimpy' ole magnum six shooter loaded with hard cast lead flatheads weighing 180gr to 200gr any day!!!

BTW: I have bought 3 times more bottom feeders than wheelguns since I trade & sell them quicker & faster since I have less use for them; finally got smart and eliminated them completely...all wheelies all the time :)

[doubleaes2]

"I think the younger generation has been brainwashed to think if it isn't made out of plastic, and hold half a box of ammo in one mag, it really isn't a worthy gun for any self-respecting "operator" to use"

+1

Now, now, my 1911's are made of blued steel and only hold eight rounds. :)

[rmarcustrucker]

some day we wheelies may be down into the 20% range of gun owners, but I still come back to my .357 for comfort in carry (rounded stock) and if I don't get them with 5 or 7 shots I might have trouble getting them with 10 .40 caliber or 14 .45acp's.
I just love revolvers and I think there will be enough of us around for years to come.
Easy manual of arms, inexpensive compared to others, plenty of syles to choose from, precieved to be 100% reliable (autos are almost as good). If gun companies are still putting them out they must be selling them.

[Brass Rain]

Supposedly the new shooters and young shooters are into the combat tupperware. But I'm a young guy (17) and I prefer revolvers to auto-loaders. More class, my style, more punch (generally). Sure, they hold fewer rounds but six shots is usually enough to get the job done. I don't see myself breaking down doors for a living in the near future. So six would be fine for me.

[lions]

I am of the "younger generation" and I love the 357! We are not all lost to the made of plastic, super high capacity trend. I intend to always have at least one 357 in my "arsenal".

[Vicious-Peanut]

I am in the "young generation" and just bought a GP100 .357 today.

[jmr40]

Nothing against revolvers but I got rid of my .357's years ago and only recently got another. Found a deal too good to pass up on a Smith model 28. I came to the conclusion that my Smith 629's were only slightly thicker and were actually lighter than the L frame Smith's and Ruger GP-100's I had in .357. With full power loads I have a much better hunting revolver and with mild .44 mag loads or hot .44 specials I have a round every bit as good for self defense as the .357 with less recoil and muzzle blast.

[arizona98tj]

"I think the younger generation has been brainwashed to think if it isn't made out of plastic, and hold half a box of ammo in one mag, it really isn't a worthy gun for any self-respecting "operator" to use"

And what generation do we have to thank for the brainwashing? :what:

I don't think you can blame that one on the plethora of 20 year old CEOs controlling the various aspects of the firearm industry (new weapon designs/releases, magazines & other media, etc.)

[Brian Williams]

Nope, I just got my latest last week.

[blkbrd666]

Quick!!!...before you get stuck with a LNIB S&W or Colt .357 in blue or stainless with a 6in. barrel, send them to me for $100.00. Hurry, this may be your last chance to get this much out of your obsolete revolvers!!! :evil:

Update!: I will also allow trade in of all your .357 magnum ammo for an equal quantity of 9mm or .22 rimfire...your choice.

[deadhawg]

Maybe it's just a meaningless observation, but I am a diehard brass scrounger, picking up brass of any caliber I can find. I reload .45, 38/357/9mm. and some rifle rounds. Last week at a local range I picked up about 20 pounds of assorted handgun brass. Roughly 50% was .40 S&W, 25% .45 ACP, 20% 9mm, 4% assorted .45 GAP, .380, 38 Super, but less than 1% 38 or 357. I can only conclude far more people are shooting auto's than revolvers these days, but that doesn't deminish the power or effectivness of the 357. I own and enjoy shooting a 357 and a 38, but when I go to the range I always burn up far more .45's than anything else. What's that all mean? I don't know, but I do know I will never get rid on my revolvers. Anybody need some .40 brass? Trade for .45? or? I don't shoot a .40 now but if I keep on collecting .40 brass, I might have to talk myself into buying dies and a .40 pistol so it won't go to waste.

Ron

[Funderb]

I got one. It's fun.

[mike6161]

I'm in the young generation and all I shoot is 38/357. I have a S&W 66 no lock. and would not sell it for any glock.

[1911Tuner]

I don't think the .357 will ever fade away. It's much to versatile and there are too many revolvers out there that are chambered for it. I guess the .38 Special and the .357 Magnum are the handgun counterparts to the other "obsolete" cartridge that refuses to die. The venerable .30-30 Winchester...which I expect will celebrate its 200th anniversary in another 85 years...still hangin' in there.

[MCgunner]

My favorite handgun caliber, but I shoot more .38 special in my guns. I handload, but just like shooting .38 special.

[Brass Rain]

One thing that might put a nick in these estimates on how many people use revolvers in ranges by found brass is... Revolvers have controlled extraction. You can knock your brass right onto the bench in stead of it flying into piles all over the place. It's quite possible revolver users are just keeping their brass.

[doc2rn]

There is nothing wrong with a good wheelie. I think they are every bit as reliable to today as when they first came out. They have a strong group of supporters, look at the 642 club.

Personally I like older S&W made before the ******* locks.

[wcwhitey]

I think a few people are getting turned off by the price of nice revolvers these days. What does a really nice Model 19 go for used, about $500. Quite a few used 9's for for less. New Smiths prices are just crazy!

[LeonCarr]

Notice there was no talk of stopping power/failure to stop issues when cops carried .357 revolvers.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

[Mountie855]

My all-time favorite cartridge is the 357 Mag- powerful enough for most purposes, easy to shoot. And the ability to to use a wide range of loads, plus the revolver's excellent reliability make it a great all-around cartridge choice.

My first (like other geezers) duty weapon was the S&W 66. In the 80's my dept switched to 9mm autos, and still issues semiautos.

I never felt unprotected with the 66, though over the years I carried 45's for a while, and for a short (very short!) time a 629 3".

I still shoot semis, but if forced to a choice it would be the revolver!

[Newton]

People who want practical revolvers want something more shootable like a .38 Special +p, people who want a heavy "boomer" want a .44Mag or a .460, .357Mag falls uncomfortably in between.

If you really want to talk about redundant revolver calibers let's talk about .41Mag.

[Phydeaux642]

If I had it to do all over again I would stick with revolvers exclusively (okay, I would have a 1911, too). I have recently been shopping for another .357 and would like to get an older Smith or a new GP100 even though I do go to the shop on occasion and pick up the new 686+ with a 4" barrel. That gun is the most comfortable in my hand of any gun I have ever held and is pretty nice looking to boot (aside from the pimple).

As a side note, I suffer from 'dunlop' disease, so it's easier keeping hold of the brass from a wheelgun as I would like to start reloading at some point.

[Z-Michigan]

I'm Gen X - I think that makes me "lost generation" rather than "younger generation." Anyway, I have two .357's and am looking to add more. I also have an assortment of autoloaders. I don't think .357 wheelguns will disappear among knowledgeable shooters, because:
1) Really easy to reload
2) Massive power at high end, still within SAAMI pressures
3) Good effectiveness and modest recoil if shooting .38 +P or modest .357
4) Great accuracy in quality guns
5) Inherent benefits of revolvers.

However, I think they are becoming less common in general because:
1) Extremely high ammo prices right now for .357 (you can reload for 1/3 or less the price of new ammo)
2) Not that many people into reloading
3) Quality revolvers cost ~50% more than OK quality autoloaders in 9mm
4) Full power .357 isn't really needed for self-defense, and .357 is marginal for deer hunting
5) Running factory .38 Spl ammo gives you 9mm performance at .40 S&W cost.

[theP8riot]

Well, I'm 24 and I have 2 .357's. One is a 19-4 and the other is a 66-2. They are my favorites along with my GI 1911. The tupperware isn't getting out much these days. I guess I'm just weird.

[Evocatii]

I think .357 mag will be in use until hand operated death rays are commercially available. I am 27 years old and I sold my plastics a few years back and bought .357 revolvers. I am not easily wowed, but I have recognized the great versatility, economics, and cool factor of shooting the venerable .357 mag. I love standing next to the uneducated at the firing line when I let loose the .357. It is common for them to stare in awe for at least three rounds.

[cslinger]

I doubt it. Smith has been coming out with new revo after new revo, some downright tacticooool, if not ugly as sin.

9mm, .45, .357/.38, .22LR I don't think there is anything these calibers cannot answer in a handgun and .357 is still the big dog as far as actual real world use and results.

I have lots of ubertacticool tupperwear but 6-7 rounds of .357 maggie is in a whole league of its own, assuming you know how to shoot of course. :neener:

[19-3Ben]

Young generation here. I have turned more people on to shooting with my Ruger Sp101 3" and my 19-3 than any other guns.

I think the .357 is going to be around for a looooooong while. Once my generation is mid-life, that's when I'll be unsure. because we still remember cops having revolvers, and we still have you older guys who were our teachers. But the generation to follow is only going to have my semi-auto loving generation to teach them. then we might really be fried.

[The_Shootist]

In either my SP 101 or 686+ its a great round. Certainly has passed the test of time in the SD role.

But since I like to eat and occasionally fill my truck with gas it gets shot rather sparingly, as opposed to my G19. If I was going to carry it more - in whatever platform - then I would have to shoot it more. Since I don't reload, its a round that get makes an impact on the budget fast.

[XDShooter07]

I'm glad some of the younger shooters popped in here on this one. Not really sure what you guys mean by the younger generation being brainwashed into tupperware guns being the only standby. I'm 24 and the next gun on my list is a .357 snubbie.......in fact I've passed a couple of good deals on 642's just to continue saving to get the 340 so I can carry .357. One of my buddies is 22 with his brother 26 and the only guns they own are wheelies and their round of choice is the .357. Despite that I haven't talked to another younger shooter yet that didn't have a healthy respect for the round. :cool:

[sm]

At my age, one being younger that I is not hard to do.
I am serious in sharing how it makes me feel so good to see revolvers being used by younger folks.

Just we don't have to tell everyone how good they are...*evil smirk*

Be vewy vewy quiet, we are hunting good deals on older revolvers, including .357.

[Eightball]

I hope not. And it sure as heck won't in my inventory.

[Owen Sparks]

There was a time when the .357 was THE cop handgun. Very few if any departments use revolvers anymore. the average person wants what the "authorities" use. Nowdays, that is usually a plastic auto in .40 S&W, most often a glock.

[sixgunner455]

I picked up about 20 pounds of assorted handgun brass. Roughly 50% was .40 S&W, 25% .45 ACP, 20% 9mm, 4% assorted .45 GAP, .380, 38 Super, but less than 1% 38 or 357. I can only conclude far more people are shooting auto's than revolvers these days, but that doesn't deminish the power or effectivness of the 357.

Huh. I don't drop my brass from my revolver -- I keep it and reload it. And when I find somebody shooting factory that doesn't want it, I adopt it for them out of the goodness of my heart.

19 bucks for a box of 100 9mm this morning. That much for a box of 50 .38 Special. More for any magnum. But I pulled out a box of my lead and Bullseye reloads and went shooting for pennies.

Not just easy to keep your brass policed up -- makes sense to reload it, too.

[rdrancher]

There was a time when the .357 was THE cop handgun.

Yep, now it's just THE gun.

None better, period!

rd

[rantingredneck]

3 of my last 4 handguns purchased were .357's.

[ylapirrynag]

I prefer revolvers over auto-loaders. I don't know how much accuracy a .50 (probably a .500 S&W unsure though, was a year ago since I shot one) with a muzle break has but since I would only use it for close range I would love to have one. Kick back was controllable (would take a second or two to reaim though). If .357 has same kick back (or less) and better accuracy than a .50 with a muzzle break I'll save up and buy that.

[rantingredneck]

And I'm only 34 :D.

[TimboKhan]

The .357 is my favorite overall handgun round, and I hardly ever shoot them anymore because the rounds are just so darn expensive. .38 special isn't super cheap either, but at least it's cheap enough for occasional shooting.

[nerfsrule2]

The last 2 pistols that I purchased were S&W; 8 and 3/8 model 27-2's. (one in blue and the other in nickel) My shooting buddy picked up two 686's of a longer barrel type. So in closing we are still out there !!!!

[Catherine]

No, it is not fading away.

It is a nice load along with regular 38Specials or 38Special Plus P and 45Colt aka long colt.

Most long time shooters who shoot VERY often... reload. That is why you may not find too much brass. They take it home with them.

I don't reload but my husband does.

I 'learned' to shoot on my late husband's 357Magnum revolver with a six inch barrel. My hands are small but it did not 'scare me'.

Some guys/gals can shoot those shorter barrels in 357Magnum or in 38Special. I tried their guns and did not like it at all! NO offense... too short of a barrel for me using that CALIBER. The SHORTEST barrel that I would want to shoot out of is a 3 inch barrel, any caliber, and the biggest load OUT of that length 3" barrel would be a 38Special Plus P. Anything else is FAR too short for me for MY comfort level. The S&W Model 60 was and IS a lovely gun in a 38Special Plus P, three inch barrel, Uncle Mike's grips and/or wooden grips. SWEET gun! I owned one. I got one before they closed it out and went to only making it in a 357Magnum back in 1998 or so. Yes, I know that you CAN shoot 38Specials out of 357Magnum revolvers. Anyway... I sold that one and the sale lasted exactly 10 minutes or less... it was bought asap. Pre lock on that one - as what is on my S&W Model 686 that I have in a 6 inch barrel. I did not lose any money either on that Model 60. Bought NIB and I had the papers.

I think that you will always find shooters in ANY age group that will like this caliber. Great news to see the younger folks use and love this caliber!

My husband told me that he will NOT live without one or two 357Magnums - period! Subject closed. He is far more into 45Colt, 45ACP, uses 45Colt in his 454 guns too. Ruger, Smith and Wesson, custom ones, Freedom Arms and the 45ACP in Kimber.

Here's to that caliber. They are very SWEET in lever action rifles too. SUPER sweet in Ruger S/A and other S/A firearms! GREAT in Ruger and Smith and Wesson D/A revolvers!

Have I told you that it is a SWEET firearm caliber especially when you use it in 38Specials?

I am an oldie to many of you... I will be 58 years old in a couple of months.

For a plastic gun... I like Glocks. My very OWN first gun was a Glock 9mm in a Model 19C. I like Glocks too.

I PREFER S/A Revolvers OVER any other type of firearm though. I prefer handguns over rifles but I absolutely ADORE lever action rifles!

I shoot tons more in 22LR and in 45Colt now but a 38Special and a 357Magnum would be right UP there for ME.

Catherine - S/A Revolver Lady
PS: I laughed at the guy who asked if that D/A revolver was a cowboy gun! I forgot what he was shooting now but it made me smile.

[Youngster]

I think that as well as being mostly limited to revolvers, other newer cartridge developments have taken much of the shine off the .357 ballistically. The .357 still works no doubt but so do a lot of other rounds of roughly equal potency that are easier on the shooter.

[1911user]

I'm not new generation, not over 60 either, and really don't have a use for full 357 mag ammo. I learned how to shoot the hell out of them in double action revolvers, but carry a 9mm today. In a revolver, if 38+P won't do the job, then I'll carry a 45 auto or a long arm that day. In spite of the hype, it's not a magic round, just a fast 38 special.

[BikerRN]

All Handgun rounds stink as far as being a "fightstopper" but the .357 magnum with the "appropriate" loading stinks a little less than the other calibers.

Nothing out there has surpassed the 125 Grain JHP as a "fightstopper", nor is any round likely to. I last qualified with a wheelie back in 1997, as we went to Glocks Only after that. Off Duty I prefer to carry a .357 Magnum, although I have carried various "bottomfeeders" over the years.

I find that I shoot Revolvers better than any Autoloader, and I've shot a few of both. The versatility of the .357 magnum is why it will not die. Loads that will "batter" an Autoloader to death are nothing in a good well made wheelie. The .357 Magnum was originally designed as a Hunting Caliber, and has taken every Big Game Animal in North America.

The .357 Magnum is a hard round to control, and takes more practice than a 9mm, IMHO. Also, with today's ammunition one can approach the effectiveness of the .357 Magnum without the downside of recoil, muzzle blast and ear splitting noise. I find that when I shoot at the Indoor Range people leave because I "rattle the windows" and "light cigars 12 feet from the end of the Barrel". That's why I shoot it. The .357 Magnum works, and there is something to be said for having a "Flash Bang" Grenade in your hand with the fecal matter hits the rotating thingie". :D

Since nothing has surpassed the .357 Magnum's effectiveness, and it has even spawned it's own "copycat" caliber, (.357 Sig), I will continue to carry and use it. No, the .357 Magnum is not dead. Lot's of people buy one and "stick it in a drawer" for Home Defense because they know it works. They then go to the Range with their "Bottomfeeding Uber Pistols". I myself go to the Range with what I want to shoot and carry. For me that can be a 38 Special, 45 ACP, 9mm or .357 magnum. Most days, it's the Magnum.

So, in answer to your question, No the .357 magnum is not fading away. It has helped to cause bullet companies to improve the performance of other calibers and even spawned it's own "offspring". It is taking it's place as a "Grandfather" round, a very wise and old Grandfather that some love and some hate, much like my Grandfather.

Biker

[KD5NRH]

I carry a 5-shot .357 snub with 125gr Gold Dots, and keep a .357 Blackhawk with hot-loaded 158gr XTPs by the bed next to my 1911. Since I don't own a .44Mag, the .357s are my choice when I need a hand cannon with built-in flashbang...not that I won't be fighting my way to a 12ga, though.

[Peter M. Eick]

I don't see it ever going away completely, but I think its hey day are waning.

Its not an autoloader round per se, so the 9mm/40's get the action.

Its not a big round like the 454's or the 44's so it gets caught in that middle like the 41's.

Its not a wimpy round like the 38 even though it can shoot it.

It is not new.

The last one is the key. Look at the hype over the 327 mag and see what I mean.

[Green Lantern]

I see a lot of 38 Special brass but few 357 cases at my range.

Someone probably already picked up on this, but I'd bet that a bit of that brass comes from a .357 gun that people are shooting .38s in for practice.

A .357 is next on my to-buy list, quite likely a snub. If I can't handle it in .357, well, I guess there's nothing wrong with owning an "overbuilt" .38, right? :D

And maybe at least a 4-inch 7 or 8 shooter as well...hmmm...

ETA - I consider myself "young generation" at 26.

[Ala Dan]

I'm a bit late responding too this thread, but NO the .357 is
not fading away~! Its been a'round since 1935, so what makes
you think that it is going anywhere soon~? Even with the advent
of such calibers as the .454, .460, and .500; long lives the .357
magnum~! One of the big boys that seems to have dropped from
favor is the .480 Ruger; as it does nothing that the other "big boys"
can't do better. I sell more revolvers chambered in .38 Special/.357
Magnum, than any other handgun cartridge. Next, would come the
.22LR followed by the .44 Magnum~! :scrutiny: ;) :D

[Glockman17366]

Personally, I think .357/.38 revolvers will be increasing in popularity rather then fading.

I like semi-autos and carry a Glock occasionally, but my houseguns are .357 revolvers.
And, as far as carry, the revolver goes out more frequently then the Glock.

Guess I should change my nickname!

[YodaVader]

NO the .357 is not fading away~! Its been a'round since 1935, so what makes you think that it is going anywhere soon~? I sell more revolvers chambered in .38 Special/.357 Magnum, than any other handgun cartridge.

I have to say Ala Dan makes a great point since EVERY time I visit the gun shops there are more 357s for sale than any other centerfire revolver. I'll never stop shooting mine - have them in SA , DA and single shot TC.

Agree with the point about finding brass on the ground too. None of my 357 brass is left at the range - EVER. Where when shooting a 9mm I am lucky if I can locate half my brass. Had one guy at the range ask me if I reloaded 44 and handed me his box of 44 Special empties he just finished firing. Even if I did not take them I am sure he was not going to dump them on the ground afterwards.

[nytrumpet]

I work at a shooting range part time. WHat amazes me is how many people, young and old come in and want to shoot the Desert Eagle. That's the most popular of the handguns at the range. Why? Because of the movies, TV and video games like Call of Duty. When I suggest they try a .357 or a S&W Model 29 .44 mag they pretty much laugh at me saying that's old fashioned.

Then they shoot the beast. Usually, they are totally disappointed with the results. I then have them shoot the Model 29 or the .357 and they love it!

I don't see the .357 going away. It's my favorite handgun load.

[plinky]

PS: I laughed at the guy who asked if that D/A revolver was a cowboy gun! I forgot what he was shooting now but it made me smile.

Give him a nod and a "Yippee Kiyeah.........." (sp?)

[BlackJackal]

+1 im board' the .357 train :)

[The Bushmaster]

Oh damn...I guess I need to turn in my Mod 19 2 1/2" that I carry in the winter...Any suggestions for a replacement in plastic?

[wristtwister]

I carried a .357 as an LEO, and it never failed me. While I now carry high capacity pistols, it's for the amount of fire I can put downrange... not just the stopping power of the cartridge.

My .40 cal Smith and 9mm put a lot more rounds down the line than the Model 19, but one hit with the .357 and the game's over... anywhere. I'm sure that is the consideration of LEO's who have quit carrying revolvers and don't want to be outgunned on the street. Only carrying six in your pipe won't get it done against BG's with lots of rounds to throw at you.

If I'm carrying concealed something with "limited fire", the .357 is without a doubt one of the best choices as a BG stopper. There's a new .327 round out that is supposed to be very close to the .357, but I don't see fooling around with the caliber just to have something else to sell. The .357 has a well documented history, and it's ballistics are well documented. Personally, I wouldn't change a thing about it.

.357's are a handful to shoot, but they get the job done. "Following shots" take a bit of recovery time, but once you get the techniques down, it's definitely a superior self defense round... and it's noisy enough to shut down the crowd around you too...:neener:

WT

[papajohn]

Every caliber has its uses, but I think the 357 has more than most. I wouldn't hunt big bears with it, or elk, but aside from that, it will do just about anything you ask of it. Call me a romantic, but I think a good 357 sixshooter and a matching levergun is about as good as it gets.

I own a lot of autos, and practice with them because it's a good idea, but my duty gun is still a revolver, and that's okay. I shoot it well enough to know if there's gunplay, six shots is plenty as long as I do my part.

38+P's are a wonderful option, but when you want all the power a smallish sixgun can provide, the 357 has it in spades. Bullet weights from 110-180 grains cover a lot of potential uses, varmints to deer to bad guys to cougars and the like. I think everyone should have several handguns, but they're missing out if they don't own (and shoot) a 357!

Papajohn

[22-rimfire]

Revolvers have experienced quite a lot of interest in the last 3-4 years. All you have to do is look at the Smith & Wesson catalog. Historically, interest in revolvers waned in the late 1980's through early 1990's as police agencies switched to the wonder nines. Normal shooters were no different and you could buy revolvers for a song compared with today's prices. Those were good years if you were interested in revolvers. Those that "knew" bought and are now experiencing a substantial increase in value of their collections in the last 5 years.

Attend gunshows and you see that they sell when they are fairly priced. The fair part is the issue as prices have been going up faster than the ocasional gunshow attendee and general interest shooter is aware of. Hence, they see prices that seem awfully high on used revolvers in good condition.

There are few calibers more versatile than the 357 mag. It is far from obsolete.

Folks say here that 357's don't have much recoil. Well compared to what most people shoot, which is the 9mm, 40 S&W, or 45ACP, it has considerable recoil. It is one of the reasons I caution new shooters who are inclined to choose revolvers to learn to shoot 22's first and then gradually move up in the power scale. Folks see others shooting or say they are shooting all these 44mags and 454's, and they think the 357 mag must be pretty tame. It is not as tame as they think, but it really is manageable with practice.

[The Bushmaster]

Well hi Papajohn...How's the surf?

You are absolutely correct...I have three. A Colt, Ruger and S&W. The Colt SAA has taken two deer for me when I was living the left coast...

[The Tourist]

I don't think the "use" is changing, but I do think the "users" might be.

When I was a younger man, most shooters had several revolvers, and perhaps an automatic or two. That was a good collection. And they were all common calibers, everyone had a .38 SPL and a .357 Mag.

About the late 1970's and the early 1980's I noticed a change in my shooting as well as the shooting of my friends.

If a guy was a revolver shooter, he bought better revolvers. He switched to Colts or Smiths, got into handloading and added a .44 Mag. They also took advantage of Wisconsin's new handgun deer hunting.

The guys who identified more with pistols (and that includes me) were more the "beer can shooters" or the IPSC guys. We started shooting more with autos for a change of pace or the action. As our expense in "toys" increased, our collection of revolvers diminished.

At this time, I own only one revolver, a SW Classic, lug barreled 629-5.

However, the use of the .357 Mag by my revolver friends continues. In fact, if we went to the range with several revolvers, the .357 or the .38 would probably be the one shot the most. I know they handload the caliber the most.

When I shoot my SW, my "style" changes. I sit more. I shoot slower. I punch more paper. I reach out at greater distances. In many ways, my use of an AR as opposed to a bolt action rifle mirror the same thing.

[22-rimfire]

The major changeover to semi-auto pistols was started with the introduction of the Glock 9mm. It was double action and the average shooter could shoot it good enough with a little practice.

All you have to do is look at Colt and Smith & Wesson's history to see in hindsight the changes in the firearm industry.

Colt in recent years went through three significant changes to their inventory and production: 1969 when many of their older hand fitted revolvers were discontinuted; 1986 when Colt dropped production of all their 22's and many of their revolvers; then in 2000 or there abouts (I would have to look up that date.) when they went into bankruptcy and a new buyer was eventually found who introduced unsuccessfully a few of the old line revovlers and a few new ones such as the Ananconda. These also didn't work out and now they only producte the single action army revolver.

Smith and Wesson was also experiencing problems during those years. The company was sold twice. They just pulled out of it better and the owners/production people had a bit more forsight as to what the market was going to do in the future.

[Rexster]

I have not read all the posts here, so I may be repeating some of what others have said, unintentionally. First of all, most people shoot mostly .38s in their .357 revolvers. Once one is used to the recoil, it is not necessary to shoot all that many magnums anymore. I actually use a K-frame .22 for most of my practice, and shoot magnum ammo in my magnum revolvers.

Secondly, some ranges discourage the shooting of magnum ammo, or do not allow it, period. One indoor range I frequent prefers that those using magnums show up on slower weekdays, when they can have the range almost to themselves.

Thirdly, much of what I see and hear at a local indoor range is rapid-fire, and even bump-firing, with little attention paid to accuracy or real-world-relevant defensive practice. Poly-nines are great for such play, but that is a world removed from what I want to do with a weapon. I don't play mutant ninja combat evil resident super martial artist pacman on computers, so I don't play it at shooting ranges, either. Not that computer games are bad, but I don't like them for myself.

Meanwhile, any loss of popularity of the .357 helps me in my quest for nice, pre-owned Ruger Speed Sixes. :)

[Pilot]

I think the .357 mag is a great all purpose woods gun and I like the ability to shoot .38 Spl target loads for practice. Its not my typical CCW but its great for OC in the wood.

[Seancass]

I'm young and i own a .357. it was my second pistol after my first single six. all my friends like it(GP100) and they all enjoy shooting it. they all want a good .357 revolver, it's just not very high on their list. there are other "cooler" guns to buy first.

i think mines pretty cool. especially when i out shoot their semi-autos.

[trickyasafox]

I think the cost of ammo just is limiting it more to a reloader round. I shoot a lot of 38spl, but thats because I have a lot of 38spl brass. I still work out some good ol' 357s too though. I bought a security six last year and it is one of my most loved pistols. its so nice not having to chase brass around. mine is way older than I am- its a 150-prefix 71 I think, but don't quote me. last year before they came out with 151s.

[Titan6]

Part of the problem is collecters are buying all the quality guns (and hiding them in their gun safes like little squirrels) and not enough makers are making new quality revolvers.

Part of the problem is by and large automatics are better for the wide variety of tasks that handguns are used for, although revolvers certainly have their advantages and are more useful in certain situations.

Part of the problem is that .357 ammo sells for about 40% more than 9mm and when I shoot on my own dime, I often shoot what is cheapest, simply because it is cheapest.

But the .357 is about as dead as the .30-30 lever action, another antique from another age that still provides plenty of enjoyment year after year.

[sturgis]

I hope not. I got a Taurus .38 M85, 25 years ago and it has been a good wheel gun. I'm taking my CHL instructors class next month and I just bought a Taurus M66 .357, with a 7 round wheel, for the revolver range requirement. I was amazed at how accurate and easy it was to shoot using only the trigger.
Of course I can use .38's through it but the recoil wasn't any greater than my XD .45acp.

[Green Lantern]

BTW, Maybe I should mention that I live in a rural area, where the 'knockdown' of the .357 might be appreciated against some 4-legged critters I might run across.

But I mainly want a snubbie to load with shotshells for snakes - on my walks, that's the more immediate concern.

[22-rimfire]

The 9mm is no 357 mag.

Part of the problem is that .357 ammo sells for about 40% more than 9mm and when I shoot on my own dime, I often shoot what is cheapest, simply because it is cheapest.

That is your choice. I honestly shoot more 22LR and it certainly is a lot cheaper than 9mm.

Part of the problem is by and large automatics are better for the wide variety of tasks that handguns are used for,... The only thing that they are better at mostly is throwing a lot of lead downrange quicker. The semi-autos are easier to shoot well which is a big appeal to young shooters. A lot will change before the 357 reaches its old age and needs to be retired to the collector's.

[Confederate]

You can't really go by what you see at shooting ranges, especially indoor ones. I can't deny many people are buying Glocks and overpriced 1911s, but when it comes to camping and hiking, a good .357 is awfully hard to beat.

At the range, I see quite a few people going through 15+-shot clips of 9mm like they were .22LRs. Brass is flying all over the place and bouncing around the floor. I guess some people get their kicks that way, but with the price of ammo....

In my opinion, the .357 is a gun everyone should own and know how to shoot.

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/jriler/Speed-Six_6.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/jriler/SW686_2c.jpg

[1911Tuner]

when it comes to camping and hiking, a good .357 is awfully hard to beat.

I'll second that.

No big secret where my affiliations lie on the question of my personal sidearm...but if I had to pick one platform for come what may...for the rest of my life...I'd have to go with a 4-inch .357 revolver.

[tinygnat219]

Titan 6:
Saw your post and had to comment:

Part of the problem is that .357 ammo sells for about 40% more than 9mm and when I shoot on my own dime, I often shoot what is cheapest, simply because it is cheapest.
I feel your pain. I switched from .45ACP to 9MM for plinking, and now I am going to .22 LR. 9MM isn't exactly cheap anymore either. If .357 is too expensive for you, then grab .38 SPL, it's at the same price as 9MM. One solution I found was to get the Blackhawk Convertible in .357/9MM. It's FUN.

But the .357 is about as dead as the .30-30 lever action, another antique from another age that still provides plenty of enjoyment year after year.
Took me a minute to sort through your thinking (I think it's your thinking anyway). I wouldn't call the .357 an antique from another age as it's younger (introduced in 1935 I think) than any auto cartridge, except the .40 S&W (which balistically matches the old 38-40 WCF Cartridge) and .357 SIG (which was created to match the effectiveness of the Magnum round). I think what you meant to say is that the PLATFORM is the antique as the revolver has been around for what, 150 years minimum? Please correct as needed.

My latest gun purchases are as follows:

686-5 4 inch S&W in .357 Magnum.
Ruger Blackhawk Convertible in 357/9MM with a 6.5 inch barrel.
686-3 6 inch S&W in .357 Magnum.

Walther PPS in 9MM.

I think the .357 will be around for quite a while.

[RPCVYemen]

It appears revolvers are now somewhat of a boutique item for target shooters and hunters.

I am a revolver fan, and I think you're right. I love my Blackhawk, but the average Joe looking for a gun for SD or plinking these days is going to buy an autoloader. I may think that's a mistake, and you may think that's a mistake, but that is what is happening.

So I think the 357 mag is fading - because the platform that made it what it was - DA revolver is fading.

I am glad I reload - I don't need to be very concerned about what is fading and what isn't (i shoot 45 LC mostly).

Mike

[neviander]

There are too many bumper stickers/T-shirts with, "I don't dial 911, I dial .357", emblazoned on them for the mighty .357 to ever go away :D

[OAKVILLE SHOOTER]

Is the 357 fading away?

Not at my house.

[Hook686]

If the trend is to auto pistols, big magazine capacities, quicker reloads and less muzzle flash/noise, I can understand the reduced presence of the .357 magnum.

Here in California the magazine capacity of the auto loader is limited to 10 rounds. Personally I prefer .357 magnum to either .40 S&W, or .45acp. I carry, use in matches and practice weekly with a S&W 627 8 shot revolver. I just bought a .357 magnum Desert Eagle that holds 10 in the magazine. It is not a carry pistol, but it sure is a sweet shooting .357 magnum.

I suspect there is little .357 magnum brass found at the range simply because revolvers do not scatter the brass all over the neighborhood. I reload mine, and suspect most other .357 magnum shooters do also ... two bits, or less, for a reload beats 40, or 60 cents a shot, for factory loads, any day in my book.

[Wheeler44]

I read the title of thread and had to check mine. Nope it hasn't faded a bit, but I still polished it up a bit.:neener:

[Guy B. Meredith]

I reserve use of .357 Magnum rounds for showing the great unwashed masses at the public ranges who think a bottom feeding niner is cool where the real "cool" is. Nothing like a few rounds of .357 Magnum out of a 4" M66 punching tiny groups on the target to cool the testosterone down the line.

[XDShooter07]

I've been trying to search around for some ballistics gel tests of the .357 that compares various rounds and bullet weights and I can't find any. The only test I found was on brassfetcher and they only tested gold dots. Anybody found anything better.

[jlh26oo]

When I first started shooting, I knew I was going to be the revolver guy. I wanted to be old school, and *knew* revolvers were the gold standard of reliability. Easy to clean, easy to operate, no field stripping, no mags, etc. Other than rifles, I had shot nothing but my dad's taurus .38spl. I shot it well, so I bought a Ruger .357mag for myself. It was great. Thousands of rounds through it before I ever even tried an auto. Never cared much about size and weight to capacity ratios, or the latest technology, and knew not much in autos touched the .357mag A.F.A. performance. N.T.M. wood and S.S. and fluted cylinder looked so much better than flat black alloy (much less plastic).

So I was amazed to find out just how much more accurately, fast, and comfortably I could shoot with glocks and sigs. Looks and style wnet right out the window. And in the revolver, I mostly stuck with .38spl, because I found the magnum's recoil to be sharp. So I figured in autos I'd better stick with 9mm. Then I discovered the jump from 9mm to .45acp was nothing like .38spl to .357mag. I actually preferred how the lower pressure .45 handled, more recoil but it seemed soft somehow. I was sold.

And that wasn't even the biggest surprise- my autos were somehow more reliable than those two particular revolvers (though I am certain this is not the general trend, so was not as big a factor as ergonomics in my conversion). N.T.M. I found that CLEANING wasn't even easier like I thought with revolvers. I didn't realize how fast autos F.S.'d for cleaning, and with only one tube to clean vs 7 tubes (all relatively fixed to the frame)- I could never get all the rings out of the chambers, especially after a good 400-500 round day (minor, minor point here).

ANyways, is the .357mag "fading away"? HARDLY (all this is only why it faded from MY collection)! Extremely versatile round with top shelf performance makes it arguably the number one choice for many for an "only" gun, nightstand gun, forget about it for years and know it will work gun, etc. Revolvers are more accurate (mechanically) than most autos, and are a simple proven design that will continue to be popular for years to come, and the .357 is the probably the most popular of those. I do miss simply ejecting all brass into the box. Even with the most consistently ejecting autos, I still use a tarp and get L.O.L.'d at.

But what's a little surprising is (in this thread), usually the revolver/.357mag crowd is a little more mature (I.E. if your favorite is not my favorite, you are either "young" or "brainwashed", etc).

[The Bushmaster]

XDShooter07...Go to http://stevespages.com/page8.htm

Go to the bottom of the page.

Click on "Table 8"...Pick a calibre...

[James T Thomas]

The 40's, 9mm's have surmounted, and the 357 has been eclipsed but not abandoned.

[The Bushmaster]

"eclipsed"? What do you mean by that? The .40 and the 9mm X 19 still can't out perform the .357 magnum...Could you mean by "eclipsed" that the .357 magnum just fell out of favor with the populas...??

[1911Tuner]

Before this descends into a power debate...note that the power of a caliber doesn't determine its failure or success...and because something "new and wonderful" in its class comes along and edges it out of its ranking...that it automatically becomes less desireable/useful or what have you.

Throughout the last century, many cartridges have been completely outclassed...but they hang on.
Their names are immediately recognized. .30-30 Winchester. .45-70 Government. .45 Colt. .41 Remington Magnum. Even the .30-96 and the .308 Winchester have become quaint and antiquated...yet they persevere.

So...There's more to it than velocity and energy...or "knockdown" power.

[Funderb]

how could anyone assume the 357mag is gone when there has been a homage paid to it's greatness via the 357sig round?

you don't see shortened revolver calibers made too often these days, now do ya?

[XDShooter07]

Bushmaster: Thanks, those double taps and speers open up real pretty.

[The Bushmaster]

Yer most welcome...

[RustyShackelford]

It's 2008 and in time I think many DA/DA only revolvers in .38spl or .357mag will become fewer and fewer. :rolleyes:
The semi auto pistol is just a far better sidearm/handgun and with advancements in production and ammo, it's a smarter choice.
I like revolvers I feel the .357magnum will have a limited US market but it will never be as common as it was 15-25 yrs ago in the US. ;)

Small frame .38spl/.357mag revolvers will be big sellers in the US but not the K/L/N frame handguns.

Rusty

[stevereno1]

The .357 will always be around. Just look at the .44 spl, the .45lc, the 22 hornet, the 10mm, the .50ae, and the 357sig. All are less popular that the .357 mag. and all are still redily available. No worries mate! People will love the BOOM of the .357 long after we are gone.

[XDShooter07]

Small frame .38spl/.357mag revolvers will be big sellers in the US but not the K/L/N frame handguns

I think they'll continue to sell in these frames; especially with hunters. I'd much rather have a revolver by my side in the field than my XD in whatever caliber. To me a semi-auto just seems really out of place in that environment.

[stevereno1]

John 3:16 My 666th post

[PhrankKastle]

The timing of this topic is funny to me as I just took my 13yr old son who always wants to know everything about all my autos but never inquires or even gives the GP100 or SP101 as 2nd glance. After all was said and done he told me that he preferred my sp101 to any of my autos and found the wheelgun more enjoyable to shoot (he did prefer the .38+p's to the .357). So I know at least one who will carry on the tradition in my family after I'm gone and my 10yr old daughter only likes the revolvers so hopefully she'll appreciate them as well.

[James T Thomas]

"Bushmaster:"

By eclipsed, I mean overshadowed, like when the earth overshadows the moon, and, well, you know.

Yes sir, eclipsed it in popular esteem, recognition and public awareness.

Power comparisons. All those are in black and white, available for any shooter to research.

I have to laugh! When I read posts and replies here, there are so many that love their guns and calibers that I could insult their wives all day long and not get one rise out of them, but just mention the caliber and use any adjective connected with it, and blam! Like a ND, there it goes. Are you disparaging my gun sir? Fight'n words.

[The Bushmaster]

Not offended here...Just continuing the conversation...I like my .45 ACP too. Not to mention the other revolvers and autos that take up a lot of space in my safe...And no...You wouldn't want to insult my wife. I'm one of the lucky ones and have a good one. Even after 28 years...

But I do know what you are saying. L O L

[sdj]

I think it's too early to publish the obituary. :-)

If I had to reduce the current quiver to one pistol for HD and all-round use, it might very well be the S&W686 or the SP101 that wins out, in the final analysis. In an HD / SD situation, it's probably going to be a point and shoot situation. Revolvers excel at that. In addition: in summer, the 442 gets much more carry time than the others.

[wristtwister]

I had a heart to heart talk with my preacher yesterday, and he's going to trade me a Ruger .357 for a smaller carry gun. The Ruger is worth about $350, has a long barrel, and I told him I would trade him a Smith 4006 for it (I have 2). I need to clean it up because I shot it all day Saturday, and I would be satisfied with either gun... but I've always wanted one of the Rugers like this one... so it's a "win-win" for both of us. I want the .357 so I don't have to shoot my Model 19 Smith & Wesson that looks like new.

He just retired, and his son is a parole officer, so he's up to speed on what's going on "on the streets" these days, and his son has been pushing him to get his CWP. I told him that I would swap guns with him or buy another gun if he found a "sissie pistol" he liked better (polymer)... but we're dealing in about the $350 range... so I'm thinking the 4006 isn't a bad deal for him.

I carry "full sized" guns... not sissies, and the more lead in the pencil, the more you can write... so I'm not as concerned with getting him a concealable gun as I am one with more rounds and good stopping power. He really likes my Makarov as well, but I think my arm would go with that one...:D

Anyway, if the .357 is dying off, please send me all the bodies...:D I absolutely love shooting my model 19, and I have a feeling that I'll have a mini-love affair with the new Ruger as well. Some guns just "fit your hand"...
hopefully, we'll both be happy.

WT

[bearmgc]

No, not fading away at all. Maybe just not frequenting the circles where it is revered.

[The Bushmaster]

.357 dying? And 5 pages dedicated to it's demise so far...:D

[neededausername]

When I started out my journey to buy my first handgun it was going to be a .357. I was convinced by my wife(a much better shooter than me) and others to learn with a .22LR. I still want that .357 though. I'm 29 and new to shooting

[Okiecruffler]

The 357 is the swiss army knife of pistol cartridges. I have 148gr wadcutter loads that my 8 y/o niece goes thru like candy. Then I have some 180gr loads that most sane folks would steer clear of.

The wife totes a 357 snubby around and shoots a real nasty firebreathing 125gr load out of it. She prefers it to the sharp recoil of a 9. Of course, she ain't no sweet little princess either, that woman be about 5 shades of mean.

And since we've started with the pictures, here's one of my favorites with a little sister.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h234/okiecruffler/100_1807_edited.jpg

[PTK]

So far, most people think that "young folks" just aren't interested in revolvers, much less the "expensive" .357.

Of course, I'm young and I just sold my second to last .357. I bought another .38, a Webley, and a .22lr revolver...

[Fishman777]

You've got to be kidding me. The .357 magnum is one of the best handgun cartidge ever made. I would expect .40 S&W to die before the .357 magnum. .357 magnum revolvers are about as versatile as a handgun could be. Powder-puff .38 specials all the way up to 180 Buffalo Bore hardcast ammo. That power range covers just about every application that most people would ever need.

I'm only 35, but I prefer revolvers over autoloaders. Like many, I started shooting with autoloaders. After about a year of agonizing over my first centerfire handgun purchase, I decided that revolvers would make a better choice for home defense. After shooting a GP100 and a 686p, I realized that I could actually hit what I aimed for with a medium-framed, stainless revolver. My autoloader groups always looked like a shotgun blast. I reasoned that I could end most threats with two shots with a revolver. I would have to spray and pray with an autoloader. Given that I don't really want to kill my neighbors, I decided that it would be best to stick with something that I could shoot accurately and would force me to take good shots.

[Hook686]

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XDShooter07 wrote:


I've been trying to search around for some ballistics gel tests of the .357 that compares various rounds and bullet weights and I can't find any. The only test I found was on brassfetcher and they only tested gold dots. Anybody found anything better.
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I am considering buying a S&W model revolver in 357 Mag. It appears to be a nice handgun...my question:

Does a .357 Mag offer better terminal ballistics than a 9mm luger pistol?
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See the Gelatin tests just posted and make your decision.

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.357 Mag can certainly offer adequate terminal ballistics, however, there is a reason very few agencies issue .357 mag revolvers for self-defense/force protection purposes anymore...I personally would prefer a good 9 mm pistol over a .357 mag revolver for SD/duty use.
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Golly, I remember not to long ago (well, it doesn't seem that long ago to me ) when the question was whether the 9mm was as good as the .357. My, how times change. Buy what you want and you then will practice with it and then you will be good with it and then you will have something which may perform what you want of it.
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Thanks for the replies Doc, and Queen Anne.

I have a Missouri CCW, and I was thinking about buying a 357mag mated to a Crimson Trace laser grip. I figured with the proper ammo, I.E. Gold Dot...the .357 might offer superior penetration to 9mm. However, obviously you get plenty more shots with a 9mm.

I have been thinking about getting a carry gun mated to a laser grip for some time now. It's not that I'am a poor shot; I use to be on a university level pistol team. It is because I figure that the laser grip would offer a tactical advantage in a bad situation. Esp. if I am attacked in a low light situation. Furthermore, I figure that the laser would offer faster target acquistion, and a greater degree of accuracy while under stress. Also it would free my sight picture from the rear/front sight alignment with the fuzzy target...to one of just focusing on the target (attacker) and on what he is doing with his hands. I was also thinking that it would might also require fewer shots to bring the attacker down, by using a well positioned red dot. Thus, I through wheelguns into my option list. Normally, I would stick with a semi-auto because I appreciate having more shots in the weapon.

What do you guys think? Are the advantages that I perceive just that...or are they actual? I have never used a laser grip, so I can't say with absolute certainty that the tactical benefits that I list are true.

Additionally, are there any other Lasergrip/ handgun platforms that are worthy of conderation?
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Be careful about lasers. If you are going to look for anything in a fight, look for your front sight. You may want to consider tritium inserts instead. Remember, train as you want to fight because you will surely fight as you train.

Bear in mind that tactical shooting is fighting with a gun and bears little or no resemblance to the sport of target shooting. Think of the differences between a surgeon removing a bunion with a scalpel and Jack-the-Ripper eviscerating a hooker.
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QAR... nice analogy! There is an argument to be made, though, that the use of a laser-dot sighting system actually improves hit probability in high-stress situations. I am not aware of any actual departmental data anywhere that bears this out, however. Time will tell, I suspect.

Valmara69... I am aware of several agencies and operators who have adopted laser sighting systems for specific tactical apps, and there seems to be a growing consensus of approval. But it's hardly a groundswell at this point in time.

FWIW: I think there is plenty of evidence to support the use of full-power 357 Magnum ammunition for duty or defense by dedicated personnel. I am a pretty successful IDPA competitor in Stock Service Revolver division, and my favorite competition revolver is a S&W 686. I usually shoot 38 Spl +P ammo in it but have used full-power 357 Magnum defense/duty ammo (125 gr and 158 gr) in a few matches and have found it only slightly slower than the 38's. But keep in mind that the 686 is a fairly hefty revolver, and I train a LOT with this gun. Then consider the fact that despite my proficiency with wheelguns, I rarely carry a 357 Magnum revolver as my primary defensive/duty handgun, and then only under quite unique circumstances. I happen to prefer to carry a 1911 in .45 ACP, but would have no insecurities when carrying my department's duty guns, the Glock 22 or Glock 17.
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DrJSW,
I am not saying that lasers are without merit, only that in my experience, when a person spends lots o' time training to see something, generally, when that something is the front sight, times and hits improve, especially under stress. I also believe that many people will spend more time "looking for the dot" especially in light or bright conditions, that using the front sight would be faster. Finally, at the ranges most civilians will use a defensive pistol, the laser may not be an accuracy advantage. After all, if a civie is called upon to return fire at 25-50 yards, a strong argument can be made that he/she could/should have just disengaged.

I have tested the 9mm and .357 with chronograph and leaving terminal bullet performance aside, the 9mm Ranger +P+ 127 gr travels at about 1250 fps from my Glock 19. The Federal 125 gr JHP travels at 1240 fps in my SP101. So, I carry either, with the SP101 for deep concealment and the Glock otherwise.

I rarely discuss these issues because most people do not want to discuss, but to tell their story. This board is different, and for that, I thank you and all members of this forum for their thoughtful and courteous responses.
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I like both, but there is no fun like letting an unsuspecting soul shoot my S&W 360pd scandium with American Eagle 158gr soft points! For 12oz it is a great fishing/camping/backup gun.
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The very best .357 magnum rounds can have a slight edge over most 9mm loadings.

But mostly, it comes down to what you shoot best.
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Valmara69,
I tested 11 different HP loadings for the .357 Magnum a few years back for the IWBA's journal. If you must use a .357 magnum for personal defense, try the Winchester 180 grain Partition Gold JHP. It did the best in my testing. I would recommend a 4 or 6" barrel, depending on what works best (pointability, recoil, CCW, etc.) for you personally.

But keep this in mind, a good 9MM will have up to 3X the number of rounds as the .357 magnum.

But...
If you need an 'outdoorsy' revolver (not a big-city gun), the .357 Magnum might be a better choice...
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QAR: Absolutely. I could'nt agree more. Well said.

I hear you on the latter issue, too. Keep it on the high road, brother.
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G17HP: A damn sight better choice, IMHO, especially if loaded with good 158 gr or 180 gr bullets. You can't wring the performance advantages out of the 357 Mag with lightweight bullets (110-125 gr). I have come to love heavy loads in the 357. Makes the existence of the caliber justifiable, IMHO.
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I will also add that as afar as the .357 goes, it is the 180s for mee too.

It is worth remembering that a defensive pistol may be used at night, and any .357 may temporarily destroy your night vision due to muzzle flash. That is one of the things I like about the 9mm Ranger +P+, there is no muzzle flash out of my Glock 19.
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Well I got it,

It's a beauty....A Smith & Wesson model 620 with 4 inch barrel, L frame, and 7 round capacity. I also have the laser grip on order. The dealer threw in two boxes 150 grain PMC Starfire.

He said it was good stuff for defense.

I am going to go to Bass Pro Shops to see if I can find some 180 grain Winchester Partition.
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Based on what data? In short, he lied...
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He told me a story about how he killed a feral hog, I forget how big...but apparently he smoked it with one shot at around 15 yards or so. At least thats the story I was told. Anyhow the stuff was free.

Doc when you say he lied does the stuff under penetrate, fail to expand or what. Or does it just suck?

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PMC ammo is, in general, crap.

My own experience with the .357 Mag launched from a 6" barrel Colt Python indicates that the 125 grain handloaded ammo worked very well on medium sized, thin skinned game. Expansion was consitant and pentration was entirely adequate.
This was when compared to 110, 125 and 158 factory grain loads standard in the late 1970-early 1980s era. The 110s tended to fragment, and the 158s never opened up properly, usually not at all. The 125 gr. factory stuff worked, but only barely. So, handloads it was.

Having transitioned entirely to the 1911A1 and .45acp for defensive loads, and 30-06 for all hunting in North America, I have done no .357 Mag load development since then. I am still shooting the loads I settled on back then, the Sierra and Hornady 125 grain pills at about 1500 fps.
Although I love my Pythons, they have pretty much been relegated to hobby status, and darned little of that. They sure look good in the safe though.

I have yet to try the 180 grain loads currently available, but as always, I take DocGKR's stats as gospel. I will obtain and shoot some soon.
Perhaps they will breathe new life into my old friend the Python.

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He told me a story about how he killed a feral hog, I forget how big...but apparently he smoked it with one shot at around 15 yards or so. At least thats the story I was told. Anyhow the stuff was free.


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Ah yes, the apocryphal hog story. That one is kind of like the old 'my sister's boyfriend's cousin's best friend was in a car wreck and lived because he was thrown clear', or 'this car was owned by a little old lady who only drove it to chruch'. Someone breaks out that stuff, I just smile and nod my head.

Free ammo is kinda like free beer--usually not a bad thing, but rarely any thing good. Use it for target practice.
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I scored some of the Winchester 180 grain Partitions today, I'll see how they shoot next range day. Nice looking bullets, brass cases though. $17.95 for a box of 20. Spendy.

Edited to reflect that there were only 20 rounds in the box, not 25.
Ouch again.

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Arrrgh Cap'n, so what ain't these days. Arrrgh. I remember the first few boxes of 9mm Ranger I purchased at $49.95 a box. ouch. Now I gets me Ranger for less half that. Arrrrgh.
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[hhb]

My .357 Mag carbine is a perfect "Woods Walker".

[Black Adder LXX]

Is the 357 fading away?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... NO!

When I take noobs out, they all love the autoloaders, until I break out the GP100. That's all they talk about after... That's the one I go for for things that go bump in the night...

[rdoggsilva]

Call me old fashion but I still like the 357. I am 60 so raised around them. My two main carry weapons or 357, but I use 38spl +P in my stubby, the 357 is just a little to wild in the stubby. I do use it in my 4" 971 which I carry quit often. But I still love my 1911.

[earthworm]

If there is a more versitile handgun than the mid-frame 4" .357 revolver (assuming the present availability & incredible range of .38/.357 ammo) I've yet to find it.
I'll concede that autos are more popular but will wager there'll always be a market for the magnum wheelgun.

[plexreticle]

There are a few calibers that I doubt will ever fade away. .357 is near the top of that list.

[Bradco]

I hope it isn't I am diligantly looking for a Coly Pyhthon now, 4" to start a collection

[Smithiac]

Not a chance the .357 is here to stay and will for along time brass is hard to find for a .357 right now it seems with the rising ammo prices more people are starting to reload it. And with a .357 revolver you don't have to worry about losing your brass.

Smithiac

[RPCVYemen]

Not a chance the .357 is here to stay and will for along...

I think people are answering two different questions:

Is the 357 magnum fading? (In other words, is it less popular than it once was?)

The answer to this one is pretty clearly less. At one point in time - before the autoloader revolution - I think .38/.357 magnum was standard issue for a lot of LEOs. When I was growing up (early 60s), a centerfire autoloader was a rarity at the range. With the exceptions of 22s and occasional 1911 (except we called it a "45 auto"), everyone was shooting revolvers.

The reverse is now true. I'd guess that less than 1 in 5 handguns I've seen at the ranges I've been to. If you exclude cowboy action - which is mostly 45 LC, you are probably looking at 1 in 10.

Is the 357 magnum going to disappear?

Due to reloading, no cartridge really ever seems to die anymore. For a very long time, there will be at least some people shooting .357 magnum.

As the people who grew up shooting revolvers (largely people over 60) fade away, revolvers will become more and more of a niche item. That doesn't mean that there is anything wrong about the cartridge - it's about popularity (and probably manufacturing costs).

There are a few young guys who are passionate about revolvers, but most of the revolver freaks I have me are my age (55) or older. There are some younger guys into pistols, but the stats are all the other way.



BTW, I have a great deal of skepticism about the 357 magnum as a widely popular hunting round. Do some people hunt with it? Sure.

But my impression is that the vast majority of handgun hunters like 44 magnum and rifle cartridges (example: 45-70) in revolvers. Hunters are not as concerned about recoil - they generally don't shoot 100s of rounds at at time. Unless they are really a bad shot! :)

No disrespect is intended - all this comes from someone who loves reloading/shooting 45 Long Colt. :)

Mike

[MoreCowBell]

I recently bought a 442 to have for my first revolver. I love it but my lady loves it more so now it's mostly hers. Then I found a good looking 4" bbl Model 60 so I bought that. I'm very happy with it. So much so that I put away my 1911 and am now leaving the 60 on the nightstand. The compact 9 still lies IN the nightstand for if I have to slip something in a pocket.
I'm currently shooting 148gr WCs and 154(?)gr FMJ at the range and bought some 125gr Cor-Bon in .38 for the nightstand rounds.
I've been trying to decipher in this thread and elsewhere whether there's any clear advantage to going 357 for the SD rounds and I'm baffled. Seems like the penetration and shootability overweighs any marginal impact advantage.
What's ya'lls read on this? Anyone prefer loading the 60 with 357 for SD, and if so, with what? Pros and cons?
New to the wheelgun world here. Any advice will be appreciated.
Thanks
mcb

[Sevengunner]

Anyone who shoots .357 ammunition for sport must become addicted. Yes there are easier calibers to master, but none of those make as much noise and get as much attention. If you love to shoot you just have to smile when things start getting loud (Memo to File: Don't EVER forget to put on ear protection again). The occasional good grouping, with what seems to the uninitiated to be a hand cannon, doesn't hurt either.

Here's hoping I never have to use the .357's often documented ballistic capability in a real world emergency, but the fact is, knowing it's available to me is a comforting thought.

I don't reload, so the rising cost of ammo has had an impact. Since I don't especially enjoy using my gun as a .38 (sort of like drinking light beer), I am shooting my .22 a lot more and shooting the .357 a bit less.

[MAKster]

These types of questions always get off topic because everyone feels the need to defend their favorites. There was a nearly identical post about the Hi-Power recently. The OP was not saying other handguns were more powerful or "better" but was commenting on the 357 magnums decline in general popularity. It's a fact that sales of full size revolvers has been in a steady decline for 20 years. The only bright spot is 38 special snubbies because of the CCW market. Go to any gun store and they will probably have 30 pistols for every one 357 magnum. Another problem is that 357 ammo is getting ridiculously expensive. Last time I bought a box it was $18.

[Defensory]

Good points, MAKster.

I don't believe anyone is trying to say that the .357 is going to fade into extinction.

However, there's simply no denying that it is nowhere near as popular as it was before the 1980's.

Handgun sales nationwide generally favor semi-autos by a margin of three or four to one over revolvers. Also, .38's and .22's make up a significant portion of revolver sales. So .357's aren't exactly flying off the shelves.

We have a lot of handgun training courses at the private outdoor range I belong to, and there are a lot of newbies there with handguns. The last course had about 45 attendees. Only three of them were packing .357's.

None of the newbs seemed the slightest bit interested in even shooting one, much less buying one.

[Checkman]

Yes it's fading. Will it go away? No. I'm 40 and I love revolvers. I own eight revolvers and four autos. I like my autoloaders, but they don't have that certain quality that wheelguns possess.

I did grow up shooting revolvers. My father was a cop in the seventies and eighties and he carried a revolver ninteen of his twenty-four years in law enforcement.

I've been a cop for almost eight years and I've always carried an auto. But I have not kept my fondness for six shooters a secret.As a result other officers consider me to be an eccentric.

Revolvers and the .357 are going to stay around. But the medium and large framed double action are probably going the way of the Colt 1873 Peacemaker. Niche or boutique handguns. Well there are worse things that can happen.

[gripper]

Not a chance.I miss my Security Six and GP100...another Ruger I'd love to see come back (fat chance ,though) is the Redhawk in .357 with th e5.5 inch barrel ...now THAT was pure ,unadulterated fun at the range.Even with stout loads,it felt like I was runnning .38's in it ;and was pretty close to a "hand-rifle" for me.:cool:

[Defensory]

Posted by Checkman:
I like my autoloaders, but they don't have that certain quality that wheelguns possess.

That's a perception on your part, thus a personal opinion. I feel just the opposite. A good autoloader "floats my boat", while revolvers just don't do anything for me. I would never use a revolver as my primary carry weapon, though I would consider a snub with .38 Special hollow points as a backup gun.

Posted by Checkman:
Revolvers and the .357 are going to stay around. But the medium and large framed double action are probably going the way of the Colt1873 Peacemaker. Well there are worse things that can happen.

Snubs are selling OK, not great, though even many experienced shooters are wary of shooting .357 Magnum rounds out of anything with a 2" or 2 1/2" barrel. So they usually end up loading them with .38 Special hollow points.

I think the medium frames with 4" barrel will sell just well enough to stick around, since they're a little easier on their owners when shooting .357 loads.

I agree the large frames don't have much of a future, though niche sales to hunters will keep a select few models around in years to come.

[Checkman]

There are a couple auto loaders that "float my boat". I really like the Mauser C96 Broomhandle. Especially the "Bolo" configuration with the 3.9 " barrel and short square grip. It isn't a very comfortable handgun to shoot, but who cares? :cool:

I also like the P-08 Luger - all configurations and the Browning P35 Hi-Power with the adjustable sights are pretty cool as well. I like my dad's all steel frame Colt Commander. He had it worked on by Kings in 1978. Hard chrome finish when it was cutting edge and those great King target sights. :D

So you see I'm not a total wheelgun snob. :neener:

[Trumpetman]

After several encounters with armed crooks, I finally bought a 9MM pistol and started learning how to shoot. That was April 14, 2004. Within two years of that date I had bought several long guns and two revolvers, one of which is a full-frame, all-steelTaurus Model 65 .357 Magnum six-shooter.
With a 4-inch barrel, this is my main carry gun during jacket and coat months of the year, and even in the summer whenever I can find a viable way to conceal it. I shoot well with a 9MM, but I shoot better with my .357 Mag., with either magnum ammo or with .38 special Remington LHP +P. Follow-up shots are not a problem with the right ammo, and I feel confident that one shot will settle most situations favorably.
If I had bought the .357 magnum revolver first, I probably would never have bought a 9mm pistol. I like having both, though, if for no other reason, because you never know which ammunition or reloading components are going to sky-rocket in price or go missing. I usually carry a 5-shot snub-nose .38 special along with either of my bigger guns. I don't think I'll ever stop carrying the grand .357 magnum. It's here to stay.

[frankiestoys]

I own four 357 revolvers, they are IMO a work of art ,solid shooters that have never failed me.
In fact i just traded off my 9mm for another 357!
I am too a little late on this thread but had to get my 2 cents in.

[S&W-Keeper]

I hope not, it is my favorite caliber. I have a bunch of them.I still see a lot of them being shot at my range.Try looking for some ammo.

[NMGonzo]

Shooting in the desert with a buddy, we have a number of modern semi-autos to play with.

Bang!

Bang!

Bang bang bang bang!

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Then I go BOOM!

"What the f... was that!" he asks.

I handed over my snubby with .357, and gave him 20 rounds.

A week later he had a snubby .357

[PT1911]

Few gun match up to my TAURUS 608 in .357 in a shooting comparison for both accuracy and pure enjoyment. It isnt going anywhere and I hope to start reloading soon. I am sure my Smith 64 will appreciate it as well..... for the 38's

[Eightball]

I would imagine that it has more to do with the lack of ammunition availability in many areas than anything else. That, and most people who buy .357s seem to shoot exclusively .38 special out of their wheelies anyhow.

It also doesn't help that more and more CCW wheelguns are coming out in .38 special only these days. But my .357 will be riding around with me come winter, when I can actually conceal the darn thing.

[jpatterson]

Well I am the dreaded younger generation and my carry is a S&W M&P 340 in .357. Also on Monday I am sending out a moneyorder and FFL for what I consider my Holy Grail a S&W 19-2. Blued,4inch barrel and 6 shots of pinned and recessed glory. So please go easy on the younger generation some of us have better things to do than watch American idol...

Here's a big ol' +1 from me!

[sebtool]

If anyone thinks the .357 is fading, try finding a used Ruger SP101 for 1/2 price of a new 1! It AIN"T happenin'! I finally just picked 1 up, been looking for 3-4 months, and it was still pretty darn pricey:eek: but 1 of the best guns I own, and no, it's not for sale!

IF it ever came down to the old 'If you could have only 1 gun' scenario that so many people are fond of expounding on, mine would be my GP100. And I'd be feeding all the urban bozo's that would make a .40, 9mm, or .380 their sole sidearm....

Face it, the .357 is the 1 caliber that's got the power to both be a hunting/survival and self defense gun, all in 1 complete, compact, carryable package!

[BaltimoreBoy]

When I go to the range everyone is shooting autos - 9's and 40's. I'll shoot some 45acp and nobody notices. Then I'll get out the security six and run a couple of cylinders of 158gr SJHP. The next break somebody from a neighboring booth will stick their head around the partition and say "uh, what are you shootin?"

[bandk]

first two:

44
357....

9mm was an afterthought.

[Mastifflover]

Sadly I think it is for me. With the cost of ammo I only shoot my carry guns on a regular basis. Don't get me wrong I'll never get rid of my 4" 686+ but it sits in the gun safe 99% of the time. I carried it when I worked as a deputy for the PA Fish and Boat Commision and couldn't wait to get the gunbelt off at the end of the day. Most of the time my Ruger LCR is in my pocket because I don't trust small automatics and I have no use for a snub .357. When I feel the need for more firepower the LCR becomes a backup to a Sigma 9mm. For me it's hard to justify lugging around a 3lb gun with 7 shots when I can carry a gun that weighs half as much and has almost 3x the capacity. Walking in the woods the lightweight 9mm is just right for me. I carry bear spray and the 9mm can take care of anything else.

[eatont9999]

I am 22 and I love the .357. I don't shoot it often, but then again, I don't get to the range very often. I shoot mostly .38spl, .357, 45ACP, and 9mm and of course a bunch of .22LR. I carry a .38spl J frame, so I reload more .38s than .357. They also hurt my wrist less during extended range sessions.
+1 to revolvers due to not having to chase spent casings all over the country.

[JoelSteinbach]

counting my handguns , well I cant count that high, but 70% revolvers, and 7 357 mags among them my CCW S&W 360PD, If the time comes that I need it Im sure I wont feel the pain

[jimmyraythomason]

I have semi-autos and revolvers in many different calibers. If I were forced to give up all but one I would opt to keep my S&W 686 in .357.

[Walkalong]

I have 11 .357 revolvers right now, from 2" to 8". One Ruger, three S&W's, six Colts, & one Dan Wesson. (One Colt I bought for my son) Not my favorite caliber, but there are just so many cool .357's out there. :D

I don't load or shoot any full power stuff, just light plinkers to medium plus loads, all in .357 brass.

[content]

Hello friends and neighbors // My S&W model 586 6" .357/.38 is not for sale or trade.

IMHO it is not going away any time soon, very versatile firearm.
I shoot less than 30% .357 ammo compared to .38 out of my 586.

When not at range 586 is always loaded with Corbon .357 125gr. JHP
When range shooting I very much like the solid feel of a .357 round rocking me back on my heels(6'4" 250lbs)

I just got a 442 airweight, shooting a few rounds of .357 out of 586 first makes shooting 442 much easier for some reason ;- )

[EOC_Jason]

My indoor range will not allow any "Magnum" loads, so right there is my main reason for not shooting a lot of .357...

I do shoot a lot of 38's though (and reload them), but just light target load with HBWC rounds. No need to kill the wrists to punch a hole through paper. My CCW is a .357 though and you better believe I have it loaded up with some nice JHPs.

The ranges I frequent, there are not many revolver shooters that I see (*maybe* one at most), though I often go during the week just to avoid the CHL classes on the weekend. Not many .22 shooters either... Most people come to shoot their conceal carry weapon (some super compact polymer .40 bla bla bla) or other "tactical" weapon. I call them the "spray & pray" crowd because they are lucky peppering a man-sized target. They bring their one gun and a box of ammo and that's it. I'm more of a plinker / bullseye shooter and bring a variety of guns with me, everything from .22's up to .45's... It's relaxation for me, I don't even think self-defense when I go to the range.

[gunnutery]

I'm 29 and love .357s. I carry a SP101 daily. Although most of the youth of today have chosen autos, they may wake up some day and have an itch to buy a revolver. I don't think the .357 is going to the grave any time soon.

[M&PVolk]

The .357 going away is a terrible thought. It is an amazing cartridge for a wide variety of uses and getting a more potent round in a small snubnose is hard to imagine. Once you get into shooting, you really come to appreciate the simplicity and functionality of the revolver.

If you think the .357 is getting rare, try finding people buying .44 mag. I don't know anyone who has one, and it is my favorite revolver cartridge. I would like to get a lever action chambered in it.

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

Sig, yes, rapidly. Magnum, no or yes, but only very slowly.

[Palu]

I've shot just about every caliber. I have a couple rifles and a 12 ga. Wanted to get a handgun for plinking, HD, woods carry, camping, etc. I have shot a 9mm quite a bit, along with the 40/45. Was going to pick up a 9mm (Glock), but decided to try out revolvers. Shot a 22, 38sp, 44mag (yikes), 45, and the 357. I fell in love with the 357 and knew that was the gun. Bought a GP100 6" SS and couldn't be happier. Just holding the thing makes it feel like you're holding a GUN.

[Fiv3r]

I dunno. a quick search online shows a lot of places on back order when it comes to .357 ammo. The rash of ammo buying and gun hording has a lot to do with it, but if no one was using them I guess ammo would be a lot easier to come by.

I shoot 9x18 as well because it's so easy to get and so inexpensive (relatively speaking). I have to shoot my .357 sparingly in order to make sure I at least keep a box or two of ammo for a SHTF situation.

I like wheel guns:) However, I'd never EDC my 686 daily. Too dang heavy and tough to hide the barrel. However, when camping, it's my go-to firearm. 6 shots plus a speedloader is 12 rounds that, God willing, would take care of anything I'M going to run into.

I think we'll see the .357 around for many days to come.

[ironvic]

I live the two guns max lifestyle and had to think long and hard about what 2 guns I would have in my new digs (a camper van, yeah times are tough!), I chose the S&W 686 Plus in 7 round capacity and an ex law enforcement SIG P-226 9mm. The 9's cheap and the .357 I can reload, even with the venerable Lee Loader.

The gun that I always keep handy is the .357. Shoot the .357 side-by-side with the 9mm and the difference is amazing. Even with the short 2 1/2 inch barrel mine has, the .357 whacks the target with ferocity.

I shoot both just as well, but my preference is still old school.

[Southern Shooter]

Trumpetman wrote: "If I had bought the .357 magnum revolver first, I probably would never have bought a 9mm pistol."

I agree with Trumpetman. Some years ago I jumped on the semi-auto wagon for concealed carry without seriously considering a revolver. I regret it. I, too, would have far less 9mm semi-autos if I had studied the .357 Magnum revolver.

Now, I have two early 1980's production Ruger Speed-Six .357 Magnums with the 2.75" barrels. One blued and the other stainless. The balance is great, triggers are smooth, targets out to 25 yards are easy prey in double-action, and recoil is manageable. Bought both used and both had some cosmetic damage from where prior owners tried to destroy them...and failed. A testament to their ruggedness. The blued version is my beside-gun loaded with some nice 125 grain ammunition. The stainless, because I live in the muggy, sweaty South, is my carry gun.

I am not a big guy...5' 6" if I stand up straight. But, with a nice pancake or in the waistband holster I can conceal the gun quite easily. There are exceptions...but, not often.

Anyway, simplicity, versatility, and firepower had a lot to do with my "conversion". They are just, by nature, an easier gun to use. No tap and rack, stove piping, FTE, FTF. There is a wide range of ammunition out there. They pack a punch even with standard, locally supplied ammunition. There are days that on the way home from work I decide to stop off in my favorite neck of the woods. And, if I want something besides my self-defense load I just reach in the dash and pull out my hard-cast, flat-nosed 180 grain ammunition. I am feel prepared for pretty much anything in the Southeast U.S.

The .357 Magnum revolver fits my lifestyle.

P.S.
I have 2 Dan Wesson .357 Magnums with 6" barrels and a Marlin 1894c. Which adds even more to the .357 Magnum versatility. This round is here to stay for many years in my home.

[Old Bull Lee]

I have some fancy autos and love them, but I'm mainly a revolver guy for the same reasons, Southern Shooter. (And I'm a young'un too.)

I like the inherent mechanical simplicity. You can fire a revolver that hasn't been cleaned and lubed properly from inside a pocket, upside-down. Plus revolvers aren't as picky about ammunition.

And yes, .357 is about the most power you can put into a snub.

[novalty]

I'm a younger guy, 29, but with arthritis I prefer the ease of an autoloader on my arthritic wrists compared to the kick of a .357 magnum. I've shot my father's S&W 686 and love the gun, it shoots extremely accurate. I know it is not true of every revolver, but even compared to my S&W 5906 the 686 is a tank. Now that's the pot calling the kettle black. Even though I prefer autoloaders, when it comes time to pick up my brass, I wish I had a wheel gun:D

[sanerkeki]

Old timers like revolvers more so that younger crowed. I have 2 357 mag that I almost never shoot just not as fun. I have 357 sig in xd and in a sig saur that I love to shoot, but same is with my 38 special I always tend to shoot my 38 super. But most of it what a person is use to and what they prefer. My fav cal is 9mm or 9mm short but then everyone has there own.

[fprefect]

IMO the .357 is the most versatile handgun cartridge in existence, and no other round is even close. Accurately shoots 38 special velocity reduced loads or can be loaded to well over twice the ME of the over rated 9mm.

Yes, hunting or person defense loads can have quite a bark, and there is bit more recoil than a 9mm shooting these full power loads, but they get the job done if the situation dictates, but back 'em off 20 or 25 % and you have a very accurate target load that will not wear you out.

Easy to reload and no need to seach for your brass all over hell's half acre. Going away? Not any time soon.

F. Prefect

[kamagong]

I hope that the .357 is fading away. Maybe then I'd be able to pick up a nice 3.5" S&W Model 27 at a good price.

[gsusd]

two .357 S&W are my defense guns because I would just need squeeze the trigger and it goes bang.

to target practice for cheap, I also own an 627 10 round.

[Dogbite]

Fading away? Hell no its not fading away! Myself, my father and others i know shoot the crap out of it.

[amd6547]

I think not...I just got a used SP101 three inch.

[orionengnr]

Not for me either--I own more .357s than any other caliber (with the exception of .45). I shoot them fairly often too, although I will admit, since I bought a .41 and a .45 LC, I actually shoot (and carry) these calibers more than I do the .357.

[MR_A]

I will always have a .357 mag, my life depended on it for over 30 years I carried one for 12 years as a ploiceman and carried a MOD 65 3" for 22 years with probation/parole until nc dcc switched to the m&p 40 in 2007. My mod 66 2 1/2 is always close by and my .357 marlin rifle within easy reach......not a lot of the younger leo's are shooters most just carry the plastic that the dept. Issues and shoot only during qualifications, most just know what they are told about thier weapons.

[Kalashnikovkid]

+1 for another person of the younger generation shooting a .357 magnum wheelgun. I'm 20 years old, and I've been shooting my Heritage Arms Big Bore for about 2 years now. I'll also go ahead and agree with the general consensus that the majority of people I see shooting on the pistol range tend to hold something semi-automatic and 9mm. I can't say I blame them though, with the local Wal-mart selling the stuff at $20 for 100 rounds of WWB. I tend to run more .38 Special because I can't afford to shoot the magnum load on a college kid budget. Just as another stab at the generational assumption, my 53 year old father swears by his 9mm, so cut us a little slack ;)

[Fishman777]

I am 37 and prefer revolvers over autoloaders. I only own revolvers right now. I love the flexibility of the .357 magnum revolver and would take it over any other handgun for personal protection and protection in the field. I had no interest in even considering a revolver until I rented a GP100 and a 686. One range visit was all the convincing that I needed.

[t george]

im 20 and I love my gp-100! If things got really bad it would be the last handgun that I would ever sell.

t george

[IndispensableDestiny]

S&W 686 made in 1984, a new Marlin 1894C. Civilized .357 bliss.

[TexasBill]

I wish Smith & Wesson would bring back the Model 65; that was one of the best service/defense handguns ever made. K-frame, stainless steel, bull barrel and fixed sights: Perfect! Sure, the basic design is 110 years old, but it's hard to argue with something that just works for decades.

My first handgun was a blue Colt Trooper Mk. III with a four-inch barrel. I later graduated to a Model 28 Highway Patrolman (all the major area LEAs were using the N-frame Smith) and then to a Model 27 with a 3 1/2-inch barrel. I did have some Model 19s and a couple of Model 66s because they were lighter as duty weapons, but I still think there's nothing like an N-frame Smith or a Colt Python to handle full-house .357 Magnum loads.

These days, my .357 is a Smith & Wesson Model 60 with a 3-inch barrel. I carry a speedloader in a pocket. Around the house, I keep it loaded with .38 Special +P as I don't really need all the penetration a Magnum round provides. I do have a couple of automatics, including a 17-shot FNP-9 and my 20-shot Beretta CX4 Storm carbine, but the Smith is the one I carry most often.

[fourdollarbill]

I shoot 95% 357mag and the rest in 38spl and 22LR. I also hardly ever see any revolver action at the ranges. I is quite comical when a fellow (young) shooter wants to see my GP100 or 686 and they ask me how old it is. :rolleyes:

[tipoc]

So, is the 357 just fading away?

No.

tipoc

[20nickels]

I carry a five shooter in .357 magnum every day.

[lexjj]

I'm 25. I own a .357, and it is my wife's favorite gun. I think I shoot pistols better, but it isn't because of the trigger. I'm pretty good at staging the trigger etc. My problems are in the grip technique. I just can't seem to find a good one. I'll keep experimenting.

I would buy more revolvers but they are just getting so damn expensive. The Colt snake guns are all over a grand. All of the new Smiths I would like to have are $800-1200. Smith only even lists two revolvers under $700. Ruger might be the only manufacturer putting out quality, affordable revolvers (depends on your opinion of Taurus and Charter, etc.) For $1,000 I can get some great 1911's, and I'm just more interested in that.

.357 is the most versatile caliber around. I think it could kill anything in North America. It is certainly worth keeping.

[CornCod]

I think the .357 is fading slightly. Lots of people are carrying .357's but I figure most of them have .38 Special +p's in the chambers. The huge price increases in ammo may be driving some to the slightly less expensive .38's. Still, I think the .357 is a sweet round that will be around a long time.

[Rshooter]

I wonder how many times that question has been asked?

[mgmorden]

I'm younger generation. Not so much "brain washed" as it is that when I'm out at the range I'm usually out for some casual fun shooting, and so I typically just don't take my revolvers (I have 3 - no .38/357 though). That doesn't mean that I think any less of them or that they're antiques - just that when I'm out shooting I'm just not personally interested. A lot of people are feeling the same way. To each his own. :)

[Gryffydd]

I'm 26 and my last two guns were revolvers (5" GP 100, 5.5" Ruger Bisley), and my next gun will also be a revolver (S&W 642). I'd also LOVE to get a S&W .41 Mag Mountain Gun (Buds is selling them right now).
I think the .357 has a couple of challenges. The first is the declining popularity of revolvers, as has been said. Despite the number of my generation here proclaiming their love for revolvers, by and large they're just not selling as well. The second challenge is that once someone makes the decision to buy a revolver they're quite likely to get something well beyond the power level available in auto pistols.

That said, it's such a wonderfully balanced round that's so effective in an amazingly broad set of uses that I can't ever see it fading too far.

P.S. Huzzah for not having to pick up brass!

[jdub3]

I didn't read the whole thread, but I think as a percentage of market-share they are definitely decreasing. Far from obsolete, far from dead, but they are not the ubiquitous service guns they used to be.

[BlayGlock]

I do not think so since a few companies keep coming out with new models chambered in .357. If there was not a market for it they would not produce them.

[kmrcstintn]

hang around with me...I use my .357 mags alot at the range!!!

[Publius1688]

I don't see many other wheelguns when I'm at the range, either. I like to shoot my .38 and .357, and my old Colt .22. 90% of the other pistols at the range with me are autos.

[sfc_mark]

I bought my L-frame S&W .357 when they came out in 1982 (SN <300). It was $237 brand new (granted, my dealer cut me a break, but not a lot). At the same time, a new 6" Python would have been in the $550-600 range, which seemed unbelievably expensive.

A new Beretta 92SB in the same shop ran $720 in those days. There just weren't any really high-quality, affordable autoloaders that I was aware of.

The market is tending to run the other way now. There are a lot of really good autoloaders out there at reasonable prices (minus HK/Sig), and the good revolvers are much more expensive.

So which is responsible? Are autoloaders cheaper due to economy of scale because everyone is buying them, or is everyone buying them because they got cheaper (and more reliable than they used to be)?

Either way, the .357 must still be popular, because it's one of the calibers that's still in short supply (though not as short as .380).

[Confederate]

The reason no one's shooting theirs is because they know that in a post-apocalyptic world, the .357 will be the only caliber that will put holes in invading tanks and down weaponized helicopters.

Actually, it's more likely due to the lack of ammo.

[hossfly]

I love the 357. My wife and I own one each but I'll admit we primarily burn 38's in them. I hunt with a 44 magnum simply because it is undeniably superior in the deer woods. I do reload but it's a lot cheaper to load 38 wadcutters than high end mags. And the wife doesn't handle mags so well to boot.

It's for certain the new generation of autos is taking it's toll but I doubt the 357 will ever die.

[bhp9mm]

i have two 357 a 66-2 2.5 barrel and a 60-10 3 inch

[armsmaster270]

The .357 will fade away when the 44Mag and 45LC fade away, not in your lifetime. I have 4 S&W's. 2 Model 586's, 1 Model 19 and 1 Model 340PD

[CorpITGuy]

I'm 27 and carry a .357 S&W Model 66-3. It was my only SD gun until fairly recently.

I *do* have a pocket autoloader for deeper concealment, and think it's a fine gun. But - I still prefer to go to the range and shoot .38s out of my .357. Sometimes I have to put a few of those expensive .357s through just to make sure residue doesn't build up between cleanings. ;) Not, of course, because it's fun as hell. :D

[darksidemxer]

im 20 and LOVE the 357mag, its my grandmothers carry gun and i love taking it out and popping off 2-300 rounds, i like it almost more than my 1911's its just a beautiful round and with her houge grips its a pleasure to plink with.

[eldon519]

I'd probably attribute it to ammo costs. .357 isn't cheap to shoot unless you roll your own, which I do.

I would also say, that with advancements in ammo in the last 5-10 years, velocity has become less important to lethality. Projectiles like the Barnes DPX and Federal HST open reliably and beautifully without the need for warp speed, possibly diminishing the edge some of the high-powered cartridges had.

With that said, I am still an avid lover of revolvers and the .357 in particular. I think there will always be a bond between handloaders and revolvers due to the versatility and the fact that you don't have to chase your brass all over like some kind of rummaging primate. And for the record, I'm 25, so don't assume that all young folks neglect the classics.

[Marlin 45 carbine]

maybe so for leo and security pistols but not for ccw (snubbies), home defense and woods carry.

[easyg]

As much as I love revolvers and the .357 magnum, the sad truth is "YES, the .357 magnum is fading away".

Snubbie revolvers will always be around, but even with those it seems that most folks prefer shooting .38 special rather than .357 magnum.

[BHP FAN]

''Is the .357 magnum is fading away''?
No.

[okespe04]

A good .357 is one of the more versatile hand guns. 200 grain .357 rounds for the woods, .38 or .38 +p for the woman or plinking, and a good ole .357 defense round for hd/sd. Most gun stores around here carry a large variety of .357s.

[hddeluxe]

The answer is NO. If you look at the new offerings from the major firearms companies you will see they all still carry an offering of a wheeled .357. That tells me people still want them and buy them.

[Coronach]

Let's look at two separate, but related questions- one that you asked, and one that you didn't.

Is the .357 fading away?

Personal opinion? No. The .357 will remain a viable and popular wheelgun caliber for as long as there are wheelguns.

Is the .357 fading?

Personal opinion? Yes. Note that this is a different question, and has a different answer. The .357 will never go away as long as we have revolvers, but will its popularity continue to decline from it's heyday in the middle of the last century? Probably yes. After a while it will reach a point where it maintains its presence, and its presence will probably be substantial. There was, however, a point where it seemed like everyone who packed a pistol packed either a .357 or a .38- usually both (not simultaneously, but as in one to practice with, one to carry for defensive use). Certainly we're not at that level of popularity anymore, and revolver use continues to decline. The .357 goes with it. But I don't think either the revo or it's flagship round will disappear, and they remain a viable defensive combination.

Mike

[BHP FAN]

.357 / .38 is the most popular round in the fastest growing shooting sport in the world...Cowboy Action Shooting.

[easyg]

If you look at the new offerings from the major firearms companies you will see they all still carry an offering of a wheeled .357. That tells me people still want them and buy them.
I don't know about this statement^^^

I can only think of three major firearms companies that still offer .357 revolvers: S&W, Taurus, and Ruger.

What about HK, Sig, Glock, Springfield Armory, FN, CZ, Kimber, Beretta, Kahr, etc...

[Gryffydd]

I can only think of three major firearms companies that still offer .357 revolvers: S&W, Taurus, and Ruger.

You forgot Beretta, Rossi, Charter, Colt, Comanche, Puma/Legacy.

Everyone who makes revolvers makes one. If revolvers don't fade away the .357 won't. If they do, it will.

[easyg]

You forgot Beretta, Rossi, Charter, Colt, Comanche, Puma/Legacy.
I didn't know that Beretta currently makes a .357 magnum revolver, do they?

And I don't think that Colt is currently making revolvers, are they?

And unless I'm mistaken, Taurus owns Charter.

Are Comanche and Puma/Legacy "major firearms companies"?
I've never even heard of them.

And I certainly wouldn't call Rossi a "major firearms company".

[Gryffydd]

I didn't know that Beretta currently makes a .357 magnum revolver, do they?
And I don't think that Colt is currently making revolvers, are they?
How about you spend 2 minutes finding out for yourself?
And unless I'm mistaken, Taurus owns Charter.
Who cares? Everybody is owned by somebody. That still means there is enough demand for multiple brands.
Are Comanche and Puma/Legacy "major firearms companies"?
I've never even heard of them.
Considering you think Beretta and Colt aren't currently making revolvers, that doesn't surprise me. :neener:

And I certainly wouldn't call Rossi a "major firearms company".
Yeah, sounds like you're a good judge of that subject ;)

[easyg]

How about you spend 2 minutes finding out for yourself?....
Geez, so much for civil discussion....

Hey, I'm not against the revolver or the .357 magnum.
But I can face the truth....and the truth is that MOST of the major firearms makers are simply not offering revolvers.

And the .357 magnum, while not gone and forgotten, is slowly fading away.

[bangkok]

Both Beretta and Colt make .357's, single action only, but never the less they still make 'em!

The .357 is still king of the revolver, long live the king, baby!

[Gryffydd]

Geez, so much for civil discussion....
Sorry, I did go overboard.
Doing a quick google search before posting is usually a good idea though ;)
I do agree that revolvers are (sadly) declining in popularity.

[easyg]

No hard feelings.

[winterset]

Fact is, the .357 IS fading away. Whether we like it or not, it's just not as popular as it once was.
Not only because of the popularity of bottom feeders, but also the shootability (is that really a word?:D) of the .38+p in lightweight CCW revos.

[ir3e971]

I own a Beretta 357, and a Smith, and a Ruger.

I think that the saying Glock or Kimber does not produce a 357 magnum is a given as they don't produce revolvers, and the 357 magnum is a rimmed cartridge.

357s will always have a niche because they offer flexibility of using 38 spcl as well. Many see this as a good value point. I know I do.

[peted525]

Long live .357s. I have one (Ruger Security Six) I've had since the 80's and have fired several hundred rounds through it. Love the gun and always will. Also have a couple 9mms but continue to feed the Ruger, although usually with .38 specials now days.

[LSWC1]

.357 is still my favorite after all these years !! :)

[Samilitant]

You guys are nuts. I'm 29, that should put me in the "next generation", and after owning several semi-autos(15-round clips of 9mm, etc.), most of which needed fixing and tuning and attention to cleanliness to feed and function properly, I decided a wheel-gun was to be my weapon of choice. 5-rounds in and 5 on the side should cover almost any situation I could get in. Guess what caliber I chose... 357 magnum. Yea, I may shoot 38's more often at the range, but the stopping power beats a LOT of other rounds. The cowboy part is always fun too. :)
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d191/samilitant/LoveGun101-1.jpg

[christcorp]

There is no other gun as versatile or practical than the 357 magnum revolver. And to think that it is obsolete or of little use is pure ignorance and denial. The 357 magnum revolver has the capability to shoot ammunition as weak as a 380 auto. It also has the capability of ramming a 200 grain bullet for taking down a deer. There is no other weapon that can equal as many calibers as the 357 magnum. Matter of fact, it's EASIER to say what calibers/ammo the 357 CAN'T equal. The 357 magnum CAN'T EQUAL the following standard handgun calibers:

1. The weakness of a 32acp, 25acp, or 22LR
2. The power of a 41 of 44 magnum. (However; with some BuffaloBore, the 357 can come close to the 41 magnum.

Obviously, I'm not comparing it to other NON-SELF DEFENSE calibers like the 460 or 500. But against traditional handgun calibers, the 357 magnum is the best all around caliber there is. For the 100 pound 4'10 20 year old female; the 70 year old grandmother; the 25 year old football jock; etc... There is a load and capability in the 357 magnum for everyone.

The only people who ever say anything negative against the 357 magnum, is usually those that have a prejudice against revolvers. They don't like revolvers. Usually because they believe in "The more Bullets you have the safer you are" theory. Most who are savvy in such matters realize that such a position is true ONLY if it includes: "The more Bullets you have the safer you are; if you aren't trained and can't hit what you're aiming at".

No, the capabilities of the 357 magnum is not an opinion. It's a fact. There isn't one other caliber with as diverse of capability. As long as people realize that the revolver can handle calibers that a traditional semi-auto can't; and that a revolver in many cases is a better choice than a semi-auto; then the 357 magnum will always be there.

[RJM]

I really don't think .357 mag is going away in my lifetime and I am only 36 years old. Its too popular, too good at what it does, and revolvers are favored by a significant portion of the shooting community. Are there other platforms and cartridges that do what the .357 mag do, sure, but that doesn't detract too much from the positive aspects of the round.

When my father was looking for his first handgun because "obama got elected" I told him to get a quality 4" barreled .357 magnum revolver like a Smith and Wesson or a Ruger. He did, he loves it. Frankly, for a one gun only kind of handgun, the .357mag revolver makes a lot of sense.

I like all my .357 mag shooters. Lets see, TC contender, sp101, gp100, 686+, Marlin 1894 and I have some on the future "to buy" list too. Next to .45 colt, the .357 mag is my favorite cartridge to reload for too. I just don't see it going anywhere.

[texas bulldog]

i'd have to agree with coronach above.

.357 isn't going to disappear any time soon, or likely ever. it's probably my favorite caliber, with .45 right behind it. it will always be valued for its versatility, and as long as there are revolvers around, there will be .357 magnum ammo.

however, it would be wrong to say that it hasn't waned in popularity over the past few decades. there are more semi-autos than ever, and their sales will likely continue to outpace revolvers. and it's also true that most people with .357 SD revolvers actually use .38 +P rather than true .357 ammo. so the magnum's market share will continue to decline relative to overall ammo sales. and since it's highly unlikely that it will ever be the primary LE caliber for the entire nation again, it really isn't possible to get where it once was.

that said, it will continue to be relatively popular. if 10mm or .41 magnum isn't going away (and it isn't), then you can be damn sure we won't see the end of .357 in our lifetimes. and barring a complete political disaster where all guns and ammo "fade away", neither will our kids or grandkids. i sure know that mine will have a few .357 revolvers (and lever actions) passed down from yours truly...

[jjohnson]

I think part of the problem is the question itself.

How do you want to measure "fade?"

I own .357s and 9mms (as well as .40s, .45s, and so on).

I don't plan on selling any of them. I shoot them both often, but since I spend more time at the range than any other shooting venues, I tend to shoot what's friendly for "volume shooting." That means .38 Special and 9mm more often than not.

If your idea of measuring "fade" is in terms of new handgun sales, that's one way of looking at it.

.... or ..... do you mean in gross ammunition sales? Gross number of "self defense" loads sold? Or in gross reloading component (bullets in this case) sales? Reloading die sales? Total firearm ownership? Use by Law Enforcement agencies? Total produced for export? Total contracted for military sales?

You get the point. You could even ask about "pickup brass found at the range," and the revolvers would always look like less because they don't eject brass hither and yon.

[darkknight]

I love the .357 mag but theres multiple issues causeing to a decrease in popularity. I think cost is a major issue. Wheel guns are not cheap when compared to a a glock. Plus ammo cost is an issue. .357 ammo was going for 18 dollars a box for a while, while 9mm could be had at 10 dollars a box. yes reloading is cheaper but most people dont, so it nullifies that argument. Cost is a major problem.

I have a .357 colt python and love it but will not buy another. I might buy a a .44 mag in the future but thats the limits of my wheel gun wants. .357 won go anywhere soon but its past its prime as well.

[Gryffydd]

Wheel guns are not cheap when compared to a a glock.
Really?
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/80028
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/70258
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/70241
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/31300

[okespe04]

I guess you could say that the .357 started fading away in the late 80s and early 90s when leo stopped carrying them. But sales to the general public is still strong. Fine me a respectable gun shop that does not have a decent line of .357s.

[CoRoMo]

Will this thread ever fade away?

[Gryffydd]

Fine me a respectable gun shop that does not have a decent line of .357s.
I walked into Larry's Guns/Cascade Arms here in Lacey and in the entire store I found 4 revolvers, all used trade-ins. But for some reason they had an FS2000 hanging on the wall...