Support CCW in Illinois AGAIN on July 8th--Next Winnebago Cty Meeting


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Megistopoda
June 1, 2008, 10:42 AM
UPDATE! NEXT MEETING JUNE 24TH IN ROCKFORD--SEE POST #32 FOR DETAILS!

As you probably all know, IL and WI are the only two states that flatly prohibit concealed carry.

There is a movement afoot to bring carry to Illinois, and it is spreading like wildfire out of one norther county (Winnebago, which includes the city of Rockford).

Please, if you will, post comments in support of IL CCW to Fred Wescott at the following URL:

http://www.fredwescott.com/Guestbook.php

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George C Morrison
June 1, 2008, 08:05 PM
I am not an Illini,but my niece and her husband live in Westmont.
They would have left long ago if not for a prosperous business.
I told them about your endeavors and they have already sent off a supporting email to Mr.Wescott.
I feel your and their pain when visiting them.
Someday ,Illinois and Wisconsin wiil have concealed carry.Best of luck and thank you for your work.

Armueller2001
June 2, 2008, 07:34 PM
Anyone from the GREAT STATE OF ILLINOIS like I am please check out www.illinoiscarry.org

Don Gwinn
June 2, 2008, 11:35 PM
Mr. Wescott specifically asked for support from across and outside the state, so don't think your input isn't welcome just because you're not from Winnebago or Illinois!

George C Morrison
June 3, 2008, 12:48 AM
Mr. Wescott specifically asked for support from across and outside the state, so don't think your input isn't welcome just because you're not from Winnebago or Illinois!


OK Don,a letter from the Florida Keys is on the way!:D

Yellowfin
June 3, 2008, 02:08 AM
Will send one from here as well, saying lack of reciprocity isn't kosher and I only visit places I can carry. Either they start honoring out of state CCW's or they'll do without my money and anyone I know.

Robert Hairless
June 3, 2008, 03:44 AM
We don't go to Illinois because it doesn't allow us the means to defend our lives if we do.

Illinois doesn't trust us. We don't trust Illinois. Life is simple.

Marcus84
June 3, 2008, 03:56 AM
Even if it does pass here I'm sure it will only be "May issue."

IllHunter
June 3, 2008, 01:39 PM
P.S. Robert, it's not that we (Illinois) don't trust you, it's that the inmates are running the asylum. Help us take back our rights. to quote a taglone seen here, "send lawyers, guns and money" on second thought, we've got too many lawyers, and enough guns, just come and bring money! Or send the money, either way.:D

wolf13
June 3, 2008, 04:25 PM
Even if it does pass here I'm sure it will only be "May issue."

Have to start somewhere. Buildings are not completed in one day.

Dope
June 3, 2008, 04:27 PM
Even if it does pass here I'm sure it will only be "May issue."

I'm sure, but that's still infinitely better than "No issue".

Dope

scout26
June 3, 2008, 07:15 PM
Posted to the guestbook.

PirateRadio
June 4, 2008, 03:02 PM
*fingers crossed*

M1911
June 4, 2008, 03:12 PM
I grew up near Chicago. This is one of the reasons that I avoid the place like the plague.

defjon
June 4, 2008, 03:29 PM
Posted!

This is great to see! If everyone pulls together, then something will come of it. The state government has to listen to the will of the people.

Don Gwinn
June 5, 2008, 10:59 AM
You guys are doing me proud!

Mr. Wescott said he's looking to have 100 comments for the meeting next Tuesday in Rockford (the public is invited, please come out if you can, I'm driving four hours to be there) and he was close to that yesterday or the day before. I expect he'll only gain momentum over the next four days.

A couple of notes:
1. May-issue is infinitely better than the current system. For one thing, may-issue would leave most of the state with some kind of CCW within a few years, as I believe most IL sheriffs would either issue CCW or get replaced. It would leave Cook and the collar counties behind, however, and that stinks. May-issue is not the goal, but Illinois needs some kind of leverage against our Governor and legislature. We don't have open carry, so we can't do what Ohio did, for instance.

2. This county ordinance is could well be invalidated by state law and end up issuing zero permits in Winnebago County, but that's not really the point. The point is to show the state government that this is not an issue they can afford to ignore. We need numbers in Winnebago's meetings because, if they pass the resolution, they become our model for the next county and the next after that.
This year, 82 out of 102 counties in Illinois passed the "2nd Amendment Resolution." That was a simple statement that the county board opposes any further gun control in Illinois.
But imagine 5,000 gun owners in the state capitol next spring (we got at least 2,500 this year, so it's not that farfetched) waving maps like this one under their legislators' noses--except that this time, the map shows 80% of Illinois counties having passed CCW resolutions. Even if the resolutions go down to eventual defeat in the courts, that's hard to ignore.
http://www.pro2aresolution.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/ip2ar14018205ppwok.gif (http://www.pro2aresolution.com)

308win
June 5, 2008, 11:40 AM
Done. Hope I have helped in some small way.

D-Day
June 5, 2008, 12:17 PM
Done as well. As being one who has to travel through Illinois to visit St. Louis (thank God my end destination is not Illinois), it'd make me feel better knowing the people there can carry; and perhaps maybe in time, maybe I can too if we get reciprocity.

George C Morrison
June 5, 2008, 04:11 PM
Don Gwinn,that is a impressive map.
I have the feeling that Illinois is on the cusp of positive changes gun wise.Chicago and environs can be overcome.
I sent my Westmont relatives your comments.They also feel very positive.
Thank you for all your efforts.

Smithiac
June 5, 2008, 05:38 PM
Don Gwinn

I will ride with you if its not to late just read this thread today. I'm in Springfield. Send me a PM.

Smithiac

Don Gwinn
June 11, 2008, 09:44 AM
Unfortunately, Smithiac had to work and couldn't make it, but my son went with me and we had a ball. Unfortunately, I think we set the distance record, and we ended up rolling home a little after 4:00 this morning.

I didn't meet anyone from THR, unfortunately, but it was a good time. The crowd was large and well-behaved; I have video of most of the speakers, but I don't know that I got very good audio, unfortunately. There had to be at least 30 speakers in favor of CCW and only two who spoke against it, with each of the speakers in opposition acknowledging most of the reasoning behind CCW but simply expressing fear at the idea of "guns on the street." The sheriff of Winnebago County spoke at length, explaining that he is not opposed to concealed carry and will let the courts sort out the legality of the ordinance . . . . and according to members of the county board, two members who had been opposed have now switched to our side. It looks like the CCW ordinance should pass easily, and then comes the longer and harder part of dealing with the state in court.

No matter what happens, thanks to everyone who left comments for Fred Wescott to show to the board! Good job, everyone.

Picard
June 11, 2008, 12:14 PM
Posted a message. Thanks for the link.

Don Gwinn
June 11, 2008, 09:32 PM
Thanks for your help! And in conclusion, I'd just like to say, unfortunately, unfortunately, unfortunately.

308win
June 12, 2008, 09:17 AM
Not too far off topic I hope, but - I noticed that my hometown newspaper (Olney Daily Mail (http://www.olneydailymail.com/)) has been running a poll as to whether or not Blogwhateverhisname is should be impeached. Is this a local phenomenon, does it have anything to do with CCW or any of the other 2A issues in Illinois, or is just general dissatisfaction with the current state of affairs?

HeavyDuty
June 12, 2008, 09:24 AM
It's a reaction to the corruption in his administration and the fact he's pretty much abandoned the office of Governor - you may want to read up on it in the Chicago Trib, there's a lot of coverage right now.

Don Gwinn
June 12, 2008, 09:39 AM
Yeah, it's really not very well-connected to the CCW issue (not as well as I'd like it to be, in the public mind.) People just hate Blagojevich, and most of the Democrats hate him as much as the Republicans. As it regards guns . . . . smart money at the moment is on Lisa Madigan, currently the Attorney General and the daughter of the House Majority Leader, Mike Madigan, to run to replace Blagojevich next time. She can probably beat him if she plays her cards right, but she's no better on gun-control issues than he is. Maybe worse, since she seems to get a lot more done than he does.

308win
June 12, 2008, 10:04 AM
I don't have much use for M. Madigan stemming from my time in Illinois - born there to 1982 except for college and a stint in the Army.

I remember him as anti-2A and anti-downstate. From what I know of his daughter she is more repressive on 2A rights and has ambition to spare.

scout26
June 12, 2008, 10:37 AM
And in conclusion, I'd just like to say, unfortunately, unfortunately, unfortunately

Don, could you please explain what you mean by this. I'm a little slow on the uptake today.....

h-word
June 14, 2008, 09:46 PM
Posted my piece.

Don Gwinn
June 14, 2008, 11:50 PM
Unfortunately, Smithiac had to work and couldn't make it, but my son went with me and we had a ball. Unfortunately, I think we set the distance record, and we ended up rolling home a little after 4:00 this morning.

I didn't meet anyone from THR, unfortunately, but it was a good time. The crowd was large and well-behaved; I have video of most of the speakers, but I don't know that I got very good audio, unfortunately. There had to be at least 30 speakers in favor of CCW and only two who spoke against it, with each of the speakers in opposition acknowledging most of the reasoning behind CCW but simply expressing fear at the idea of "guns on the street." The sheriff of Winnebago County spoke at length, explaining that he is not opposed to concealed carry and will let the courts sort out the legality of the ordinance . . . . and according to members of the county board, two members who had been opposed have now switched to our side. It looks like the CCW ordinance should pass easily, and then comes the longer and harder part of dealing with the state in court.

I was in the car from noon to 5:00 getting there and then from 9:00 p.m. to 4:00 a.m. (including nap time) getting home, and I think my brain decided that "unfortunately" was a really neat word that just doesn't get used enough.
Then I made fun of myself, but not in a mean way. All in good fun. ;)

BrianB
June 14, 2008, 11:52 PM
Posted. Thx.

Don Gwinn
June 15, 2008, 12:14 AM
OK, we did a great job the first time. Now we need people to pack one more meeting on June 24th. This time public comment will not be allowed, so you don't have to feel any pressure to speak. Just show up, fill seats and make it clear that we're not going away empty-handed. I'm going, are you?
Details at IllinoisCarry (http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=10440&hl=) --and if you're interested in CCW in Illinois, make sure you join up. IllinoisCarry is the grassroots getting things done in Illinois.

scout26
June 16, 2008, 11:12 AM
I'll be there.....and the best part is it will be the day after the Heller decision is released......

Huddog
June 18, 2008, 08:48 PM
Good Luck IL

Don Gwinn
June 18, 2008, 11:26 PM
Great, Scout, we'll be glad to have you. Introduce yourself!

Picard
June 18, 2008, 11:29 PM
I will try to make it.

scout26
June 19, 2008, 09:26 PM
On Illinoiscarry.com they talk about green buttons....Any idea where to acquire said buttons ??

dakuda
June 24, 2008, 09:01 PM
The meeting has been changed to the 26th.

http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=10652

Don Gwinn
June 25, 2008, 03:18 PM
Thanks, Dakuda. Glad you were on the ball even if I wasn't.

The meeting will now be on Thursday the 26th at 5:30, but it's down the street from the Memorial Hall where the public meeting was held. Click on Dakuda's link to find out all about it.

The green buttons should be available at the meeting; if you can't make it there, just go to www.illinoiscarry.com and start a thread. We'll take care of you if we can.

scout26
June 26, 2008, 10:36 AM
Can't make Thursday as I've got a meeting tonight. :(

scout26
June 27, 2008, 04:08 PM
and what happened last night ??

Don Gwinn
June 27, 2008, 11:07 PM
Not much, apparently. I got delayed by construction on I-39 and was parking my car at 5:22. By the time I got out and around the building, I ran into "Hodgie" from IllinoisCarry, who informed me that the subcommittee meeting had already been adjourned.

Apparently our side had the house packed, no empty seats and a row or two of people wearing green buttons. That's good news, since the evening news was there. I wasted a four-hour drive, but that was my own fault. I stopped off at Darnall's Gun Works in Bloomington and a couple of other places. They were really cool about SAFR fliers and getting the word out.

scout26
July 6, 2008, 10:23 PM
Found this:

http://www.wifr.com/home/headlines/21883774.html

Discussion ended Thursday with preliminary approval for a referendum this November on concealed carry. A county subcommittee unanimously voted in favor of a ballot question asking Winnebago County voters the following yes-or-no question. Should the general assembly enact legislation to permit the carrying of concealed firearms? Those on the subcommittee feel there's strong support in the community for this measure, and if it passed, they'd send that support onto Springfield in hopes of the legislature authorizing concealed carry statewide. "What we want to do is send a message to our people in Springfield that this is basically a grass roots effort, the support is there, Illinois wants to see it. So we're going to keep the ball rolling," Winnebago County Board Member Tom Owens said. The subcommittee also discussed reaching out to other Illinois counties and getting them on board with referendums too. The ballot question proposal had a first reading in front of the full county board Thursday night. They're expected to give final consideration in two weeks. Still on the table is the question of supporting concealed carry for Winnebago County alone. And that's still up for debate.

1911swacp
July 7, 2008, 12:53 AM
keep up the work guys and gals in Il.

Don Gwinn
July 7, 2008, 04:12 AM
Next Winnebago County meeting is on Tuesday, July 8th. Check IllinoisCarry for more details, but the word is that they'd like to have 30-40 in the seats this time. I'll only be going to this one if my wife wants to visit her parents along the way. Last time I was in the car for over 8 hours and missed the meeting! I can't justify too many trips to Rockford.

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