winchester 22 Model 67


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oz_lowrider
June 1, 2008, 07:54 PM
Hi there. I'm looking for a diagram so that I cam assemble an old Model 67,22 which belonged to my Grandmother. Can anyone help with a drawing? I found this rifle in a cupboard dismanteled and not used for many years. I have all the parts but can't put it together.

waboo

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66912
June 1, 2008, 08:29 PM
Try the Numerich gun parts web site. Often when ordering a specific part for a firearm, it has a schematic with the associated part numbers. It will not show step by step, but it will steer you in the right description. That was my first gun. I got it when I was seven. I still have it and that was 32 years ago.

66912
June 1, 2008, 08:30 PM
I meant the right "Direction".

oz_lowrider
June 1, 2008, 09:23 PM
Thanks for the reply, I'll try your suggestion. By the way, this was the first rifle I shot as a 10yo, 55 years ago. My Grandmother called it a "pea rifle" and we used it to shoot and eat pidgeons.

waboo

Shawnee
June 1, 2008, 09:33 PM
The 67 is fairly straightforward to assemble - what part(s) are you having a problem with ?

:confused:

oz_lowrider
June 1, 2008, 10:04 PM
I'm trying to position and engage the sear and the trirrer. I have a flat leaf type spring about 3" X.250", the sear and the trigger. The trigger is held in place by a pin which goes through the stock, that's ok, but I am unable to fit the rest. I need a rough sketch to get me going.

waboo

loner5667
June 7, 2008, 02:44 PM
Waboo,

If you have removed the lug and spring from the bottom of the barrel, they can be 'tricky' at best to get back in.

1) leave the sear on the bench and insert it later.

2) Place the spring into the hole in the barrel lug and just barely slide the lug into the dovetail on the bottom of the barrel.

3)There should be a notch just forward of the barrel lug for the front of the spring to rest in, adjust the spring forward or backward til it fits.

4) Gently tap the lug into the dovetail while ensuring that the spring remains flat agains the barrel in the notch. (this is where the spring has a tendency to rotate and then you have to start over)

5) Once the lug and spring are centered in the dovetail, slide the front of the sear under the spring and flex the spring until the sear snaps in place in the bottom of the receiver.

6) Slide the sear forward until the extractor is flush with the face of the receiver and reassemble the rifle.

7) Turn the rifle right side up and place the bolt in the receiver, pull the trigger and slide the bolt the rest of the way in. If you don't pull the bolt all the way rearward, just until the extractor is still flush with the receiver face, you don't have to dis-assemble the rifle to remove the bolt.

Hope this information didn't come too late...

kBob
June 7, 2008, 03:46 PM
Pay attention to loner5667.

M67 was my first rifle and first firearm I shot game with (tree rat).

DOes yours have a finger groove in each side of the forestock area? That would indicate the first year and a half of production, other than that a plain jane M67 has pretty much nothing to tell you when it was made.

It is basically one of John Moses Browning's designs to see how few parts he could make a working .22 rifle with, though the design at that point had other folks influences.

BTW while sitting here with one in my lap trying to figure it all out, the sear popped out from under the leaf spring the first time ever in 46 years. I understand your frustration. I used brute force and ignorance to rasie the spring enough to slip the sear/extractor back into the slot just as loner discribes and the extractor does need to be flush with the breech for everything to go to gether right.

As a youth I once took the bolt appart. Panic then insued and I was incapable of rational thought unil I got it all back together.

I was eight when I started shooting that adult sized swingle shot and could cock it only by proping it against my thigh and pulling the bolt knob back with both hands and then slipping the safety on. As my folks liked squirrel they soon promoted me to a Winchester 37 .410 with which I missed less often and never wasted time on too distant a shot with......usually.

Now that I got it out to help you, where did I put those CB Longs?

-Bob Hollingsworth

loner5667
June 7, 2008, 07:05 PM
This is what the barrel lug and spring should look like when you get them back in the barrel

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f70/loner5667/Other/M67.jpg

oz_lowrider
June 7, 2008, 09:49 PM
Thanks loner5667. The photo put me right on the leaf spring, you wouldn't want to know where I was trying to put it. Now I see how the assembly works, thanks to you. Bolt in place and all'e ok. As a point of interest, the small coil spring that goes into the hole in the stock and the counterbored hole in the trigger to give the trigger some return, do you assemble the trigger with the locating pin assembled, then try to install the spring, or, do you assemble it all at the same time ie, spring sitting in the stock hole then install the trigger and try to get the spring into it's indent, then the pin through the stock? It's just that there must be a simple way?

waboo

oz_lowrider
June 7, 2008, 10:22 PM
Yes Bob, It does have the finger groves along the front end of the stock so it appears to be an early one. Guess my Dad thought it was worth passing along in the family. My Daughter is "sort of" interested but I'll bet the interest increases now that it's assembled and it did belong to my Grandmother born 1881.

waboo

loner5667
June 7, 2008, 11:45 PM
waboo,

Glad to hear you got it all back together OK.

to get the trigger and spring back in....

1) Push the trigger pivot pin into the stock until you can just slide the trigger past it and center the pin in the hole in the trigger.

2) Remove the trigger and put the spring in the hole in the stock. Then with the butt of the stock down and the inletting facing you, (works best if you are sitting down with the underside of the stock resting on the kitchen table) slide the trigger into the stock from the bottom until it lines up with the pin.

3) Now here's the tricky part, take one of those little screw drivers that they sell so that you can really mess up your chainsaw by adjusting the little screws on the side of the carberator yourself. With one hand depress the spring with the screw driver, with the other hand, slide the trigger onto the pin until it lines up with the spring and gently let the spring slide off the screw driver into the hole in the back of the trigger.

4) If the spring ended up where it is supposed to and didn't go flying into the blackhole reserved for tiny springloaded-irreplacable parts....gently push the pin the rest of the way in. Take a small pin type punch (or a handy nail) and continue to push the pin in, checking from the other side that it is relatively equal on both sides.

5) Now exhale and open beer, drink half in one gulp and swear on your mothers eyes you will never do that again....:D

oz_lowrider
June 8, 2008, 12:22 AM
Yep, tried all that, even the beer , and it all works. Thanks again.

warren

loner5667
June 8, 2008, 01:36 AM
Waboo,

Glad to hear everything worked out. Now pick up some standard velocity ammo and a pack of 11 bull NRA targets and run out and shoot the heck out of your rifle. Rifles like this need to know you still love them by taking them out and shooting them several times a month. Of course when you have about 40 such rifles, you can't play favorites, so you end up at the range almost every night....:neener:

oz_lowrider
June 12, 2008, 04:23 AM
Loner5567 if you're there, can you tell me what thread the bolt is that holds the barrel to the stock or visa versa.
warren

loner5667
June 13, 2008, 02:55 AM
Waboo,

I don't have that answer for you. I know that most manufacturers back in the day did not use standard thread paterns or pitch, and I don't have a gauge to measure them.

Are the threads buggered up?

Is the screw still in the stock? If so, I've backed the screw all the way out of the metal ferrule in the stock on several of mine to clean up the threads, doesn't work too bad. Can be kinda snug though, had to use a fat old screwdriver on the last one.

If the screw is aleady out of the stock, you could always take it to Homer D. They have a gauge built into their screw isle. Just try it gently, if it threads in without binding, go to the tool 'corral' and find the appropriate die to chase the threads with.

If that doesn't work, I'll look to see if numerich has them. Wouldn't be original, just a newly made to original specs.

loner5667
June 13, 2008, 03:00 AM
OK Warren,

Here's a link to the Numerich site; Winchester 67 stock stud,

http://www.e-gunparts.com/product.asp?chrProductSKU=254600&MC=

And this is a link to an original stud and escutcheon on gun brokers

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=101743996

oz_lowrider
June 13, 2008, 04:01 AM
Loner5667, thanks again for the info. I don't think you realise I'm in Brisbane Australia and we don't have a Homer D. I have seen the screw and retainer on that site you sent me I might have a go at it. I had a mate who would have been able to tell me all about the thread but he's gone to Tasmania.

I thought it might be a UNC which has a slightly different pitch to Whitworth but I will persist. It would be nice to get an original.

Do you have a name or are you really a loner?

warren

loner5667
June 13, 2008, 10:08 PM
Sorry, I keep forgeting the world really is a pretty big place and there are other countries in it.

I recently had some difficulties similar to yours with the Winchester model 67. A couple months ago I picked up a busted up little single shot 22 rifle with this stuck in the side of the stock....

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f70/loner5667/Lithgow/Lith1h.jpg

....imagine me trying to find parts for it here....:eek:

Everything is working out, just taking a little time. Can send you a link to the whole process on another forum if you like.

G'day, David

oz_lowrider
June 14, 2008, 04:03 AM
It looks like it might be a Sportco, they made rifles here for years. Send me the model and I'll look around a bit. At Lithgow they made the .303 for years. There were many wildcats of that rifle. 22.303, 25.303 just to name a couple.
warren

loner5667
June 14, 2008, 03:03 PM
Warren,

What I have found so far is it's a Lithgow No. 1 that it is a 'copy' of the Winchester model 60, and very close to the model 67. When I found it several months ago it had been in the back room at a pawn shop for about 8 years because it was broken. They had just put it out on the 'as-is' rack as a parts only gun and made me sign a waver saying that I wouldn't try to shoot it. The guy at the shop thought that there were parts missing, but didn't know for sure. So I left the shop and went staight to the range (you know, the whole 'do exactly what you're told NOT to thing'), ran a patch down the barrel and proceeded to run 50 rounds through it. I could see that it had potential, and with all of the nails holding the stock together I couldn't see where I could really do anymore damage than the previous owner.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f70/loner5667/Lithgow/Lith1g.jpg

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f70/loner5667/Lithgow/Lith1j.jpg

Right now I'm just trying to get the scope that I drilled and tapped a side mount for to sight in.

I supose someday I may want to try and find an original stock for it.

David

loner5667
June 14, 2008, 03:06 PM
Here's a picture of the scope and the rifle now....
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f70/loner5667/Lithgow/Lithgow038.jpg

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f70/loner5667/Lithgow/Lithgow037.jpg

David

loner5667
June 14, 2008, 09:47 PM
Forgot I had this picture. The top bolt is from my model 67, the bottom bolt is from the Lithgow. With the exception of the safety tab on the 67 bolt, they are almost identical.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f70/loner5667/Lithgow/Lithgow022.jpg

David

oz_lowrider
June 15, 2008, 06:48 PM
Good photos David. That stock is something else. I have seen and heard of that 22, but can't say, we, Dad and I, ever had one though. I'll keep my eyes open at the next Gun Show I'm going to, it's at a place called Gympie a 150 miles North of Brisbane. My guess is there will be lots of old stuff up there. Gympie has the tag of being " redneck" territory simply because the people haven't been stupid enough to swallow all the today type nonsense, politics and all that "new age" rubbish. Should be a good show.

I'll get a mate to make me a screw/bolt/retainer for the stock to barrel fixing.

warren

loner5667
June 20, 2008, 12:17 AM
Warren,

Have you made any progress on the M67 yet?

How'd the 'Redneck' gun show turn out?

I just ordered a pair of leather lens covers for the Lithgow from a guy in England, and I've been looking for an old set of Winchester sling swivels, the kind that use the hooks on the ends of the sling. May have to make those though, kinda hard to find these days.

Kinda like this....
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f70/loner5667/Other/8304_1.jpg

and this....
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f70/loner5667/Other/Winchesterswivel.jpg

David

oz_lowrider
June 22, 2008, 05:30 PM
I had my weekends mixed up, it's the 28th and 29th of this month. I only need the trigger guard, the rear sight ramp and the screw. I'm sure I'll get them at the show.

Nice bits of leather work.

warren

loner5667
June 24, 2008, 02:37 AM
Good luck at the show this weekend, let us know how you make out. There have been several nice stocks for your 67 on ebay in the last week, several with all the hardware.

I think I found another option for the sling swivels. Now we'll just see if I end up with them....:D

oz_lowrider
June 29, 2008, 07:30 PM
Went to a Country Gun Show on the weekend, saw a lot of junk but I did see a bolt for a Lithgow Model 10 David. Looked very worn and needed work. I managed to find a full set of sights for my Win67 puls a spare bolt. All I need now is the trigger guard. Saw plenty og guarus but none suitable. This could be a life long search, but hey I have the time.

warren

loner5667
June 30, 2008, 12:13 AM
Just keep looking, you'll end up with the rest of the parts sooner or later.

How about a couple pics of the progress....:)

loner5667
June 30, 2008, 11:37 PM
Warren,

What parts do you still need? I may have a line on something....:D

oz_lowrider
July 1, 2008, 01:53 AM
loner5667. I have a poor pic of a Lithgow 12 if I knew how to insert it I would.
Ideas

warren

loner5667
July 1, 2008, 10:14 PM
Go to a photo hosting web site like photobucket (just add .com at the end).

Open an account (it’s free).

Upload photos from your computer using the browse button.

After you upload the picture there will be several boxes below the picture, click on the one that has [IMG] before and after the link, when you click on it, it will say ‘copied’

Then return to this site, open a new post reply, and place the flashing cursor in the body of the post, ‘right click’ and select ‘paste’. Then type your message and your picture should appear in your post.

You never said what parts you were missing….

Good luck, David

oz_lowrider
July 2, 2008, 04:08 AM
Ok David, I have an account with photobucke but I have never used it. I will now. I'll also have a look at eBay. Photos soon.
warren

oz_lowrider
July 2, 2008, 05:35 AM
David here is my first attempt to post a pic.
warrenhttp://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg69/huttpark/win67003.jpg

oz_lowrider
July 2, 2008, 05:39 AM
David here's my first attempt at posting a pic.
warren

loner5667
July 2, 2008, 10:42 PM
Nice looking rifle....did you refinish the stock? looks like you need a butt-plate as well. Here's a couple links to the parts....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190233563062&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=009

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190233568879&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=009


I usually strip down the stock to bare wood, steam out dents, sand until smooth, add color if needed, then wet sand in about 20 coats of Tru-oil. Lately though I'm trying to use a spray on sanding sealer and about 20 light coats of spray on laquer, lot easier.

oz_lowrider
July 3, 2008, 04:40 AM
David, I sent the seller on ebay a message as to whether he will post the trigger guard and screws plus the stock retaining screw to Brisbane Australia.
Yes I need the butt plate also.

warren

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