[knicks118]

Let's say you were stuck in a peculiar position such as in the middle of the rain forest, wilderness, or tropical island with wildlife and could only have ONE autoloader with you, what would it be? You would use it for hunting, defense against large predatory animals, and hostile natives.

I would choose this:

http://www.hk-usa.com/images/products/usp_tactical/usp_large_left.jpg

[MachIVshooter]

Definitely not a handgun.

I choose my AR-10 carbine.

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n117/Hunter2506/AR-10A2carbine.jpg

[Poor East Texan]

I'd CERTAINLY be more likely to choose the AR-10 over ANY pistol!!!

Especially if there are things that would want to kill me!

[KrankyKraut]

If we're limited to handguns, I'd choose a HK USP in .357 SIG. Better for hunting than the .45 and equally effective on natives. Polymer won't rust, HK probably more accurate than Glock, and equally reliable. Otherwise, I'd take a SKS.

[armoredman]

Ak pistol with single point sling, or KelTec PLR 16 with same, if absolutely restricted to pistol only. But to truely be well armed in the jungle, you need to wear a purple suit with skull ring, and two 1911s.

[BrianB]

Gotta agree with Knicks on the handgun.

[MachIVshooter]

If I HAD to choose a handgun, it'd be this one with Hennings 20 round mags:

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n117/Hunter2506/WitnessLimited10mm.jpg

[johnson_n]

10mm w/ Double Tap

[GRIZ22]

Limited to autos I'd take a Glock 17 or 19. I'd really rather have a 4" 357 magnum, GP100 or S&W L frame.

[blitzen]

as far as handguns, something in .357 sig. probably a Glock. it makes sence for the situation you outlined. If I was a wheel gunner a .357 or .41mag could work

[searcher451]

For handguns, a Walther P88 with a whole lot of spare mags and ammo. It's large capacity and superb reliability make it a logical choice. MachIV's choice of rifle would be a good one.

[ashtxsniper]

Handgun Glock 20
Rifle M1A

[jayofthejungle1985]

if it had to be a pistol then
+1 for AK pistol

[esq_stu]

Thread does not appear to be limited to handguns. In the jungle against predators, 2-legged or 4-legged, M1A.

[DevilDog0402]

Rifle - M1A
Handgun - Glock 20

[Tberger688]

Sig P229

[TX1911fan]

If it has to be what I own:

AR-15
Springfield Armory TRP .45

If something I can just pick:

M1 Garand
SA XD Tactical .357 Sig

I would like to add that I'd also like to have a .22LR with me. In the jungle, a lot of the available food is going to be birds, small reptiles and small mammals. A gun to protect me from large predators is going to destroy most small game.

[sernv99]

Vulcan cannon

[armoredman]

This jungle have a Predator in it? Yikes. How are you gonna carry that? Or is that to hose the place down from air, on the way to the local Ritz?

[rellascout]

If I get to have a rifle then this one.

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t213/rellascout/47b7d723b3127ccebac34a2320de0000002.jpg

Pistol

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t213/rellascout/DSCF1785.gif

[romma]

+1 on the Keltec PLR-16

Closest to both worlds, concealable with the right attire if you had to.

That, or the Sub-2000 by Keltec.

[neviander]

Somehow I think back to the many times in many different video games where I have to decide what weapon to spend my remaining cash/gp/plat...whatever, on. Kind of a multifaceted question, would I have to be naked if I sprung for the .50 cal Barrett? or would I be better off with a 1911, clothes and a tent...lol :D

[Quoheleth]

If I could pack a rifle, I would go with a Ruger mini-14 in either 7.62x39 or that new 6.8 looks pretty salty.

If it were a shotgun, a synthetic stock, stainless (marine-coat) Mossy 500 12 gauge with alternating BB & OO Buck.

If it were a pistol, a 4" stainless GP100 with a couple speedloaders full of 158 LSWCHPs.

Probably in that order of preference if anything goes.

Q

[Scratchshooter40]

Beretta 96, you wouldn't believe the junk it can be dropped in and still perform well, Riot shotgun first choice though, good pump like the Mossberg 590A1 former USMC like me. Just something about racking a pump 12 ga. that takes the starch outta the enemy.

[MTMilitiaman]

If I had to choose a handgun, it would be a Glock 20 with an ample supply of Double Tap 200 gr XTPs, with a 4" Ruger Redhawk .44 Mag coming in a close second stoked with a good 240 gr JHP.

But I would take my M1A long before I took a handgun.

[ceadermtnboy]

I would want a 1911 style 10mm pistol.

[thunder173]

I'd want to EAT whatever wildlife I could shoot,... rather than make hair soup out of it. Probably a .22,...most likely my Single Six and a good field knife to make pointy sticks,....I'd try to avoid the large predators, ...and to win the hearts and minds of the locals,.... :-) invite both to dinner.....and hope there's enuff to go around....

[thunder173]

Ooops...'mi scusi,...didn't catch that one AUTO LOADER provisio,....make that a Ruger .22/45....same good field knife,......

[CZF]

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/czrami/1746.jpg




In some countries like modern day South Africa. You are limited to one handgun.

My choice would be somewhat easy. I'd want a 9mm and it to be full-sized.

My first CZ75 (Ever) would fill the bill, but my other one with some action work and MMC nites would probably be even better.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/czrami/kb3.jpg

[Northalius]

If limited to semi-auto handgun only:

I'd pick a Glock 20 with a 6" barrel inside. I'd be using DoubleTap 200 grain WFNGC Beartooth rounds; they fly in at 1300 fps from a 4.6" barrel, with 750 ft. lbs energy. So, with a 6" barrel around 1430 fps, with around 900 ft. lbs. energy.

That "Magnum Auto" power, together with a 16 (15 mag, 1 in chamber) round capacity? Plus with 2 and 5 round extensions? That's some :what: good stuff right there, my friends!

Ted Nugent has taken down Cape Buffalo in Africa with a 10mm Glock 20!

The Glock would be, of course, great against the elements: It can stand against salt water, dirt, sand, etc. etc. with ease. It is extremely reliable, durable, light in weight for its size, and simplistic in design.

People have taken deer down at 112 yards with a Glock 20, so it's damn accurate out at long range, too!

What more could one ask for in a semi-auto pistol? :cool:

[ZombieHunter]

grrr i wish i could figure out how to quote...

anyway, i'd probably go with an SKS or an AK

I wonder how many times ol' Ted had to shoot that water buffalo to bring it down though?

[BlindJustice]

Handgun - S&W 1911 5" Bbl. Stainless Steel,
in .400 CorBon

[ReadyontheRight]

If I was to be stuck there a while, a stainless Browning Buckmark Varmint .22 with a good scope and back-up iron sights. And a LOT of ammo...like a backpack full.

If it was for a short period of time, like a safari. A Glock 20 10mm. I've never scoped a Glock, but it must be do-able.

If not limited to a pistol, a .308 carbine like an M1A SOCOM with a good scope and back-up iron sights.

Can I bring a bunch of knives?

[knicks118]

I have to say some of you guys seemed to have put alot of thought in this question already hahaha.

But yes, limited to only ONE AUTOLOADER. It would be too easy with a M1A or AR-10. What's the fun in that right? :neener:

Looks like the majority is a Glock...surprise surprise.

P.S., why would you need to conceal a gun in the jungle with no laws or friendlies walking around?

[knicks118]

ReadyonTheRight,

You can bring as many knives as you want but you gotta give up the gun.
How long before someone says bow and arrow? :neener:

[10-Ring]

Rainforest? Wilderness? ---if I'm going to stay true to the forum & stick w/ an autoloader, I'd probably go w/ a Glock in 10mm -- prolly a G20

[.38 Special]

If I was truly forced to depend upon one autoloader, in the jungle, for an extended period of time, I'd take a Desert Eagle in .50 AE.

This choice is based upon the assumption that any autoloader is, sooner or later, going to break down, rust up, or simply choke on imperfect ammunition, and will then be useful only as a club. I can't think of any bigger autoloading club than the Desert Eagle.

:neener:

[knicks118]

HAHAHA...I can't think of a bigger autoloader either. But you would want the gold plated Desert Eagle right? So you can "club" in style.

[.38 Special]

No, actually I'd prefer the plain version. This ensures that there will be plenty of rust available to cause tetanus if the clubbing is inadequate.

I suppose that brings up the issue of whether it is safe to eat an animal that has succumbed to tetanus, but we can cross that bridge when we come to it.

[W.E.G.]

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/pistol%20pics/Glock/kool_aidGlock.jpg

G17

[ReadyontheRight]

You can bring as many knives as you want but you gotta give up the gun.

From my cold, dead hands. :)

As a matter of fact, I'm bringing a bunch of guns and a bunch of knives.

In my 8-cylinder SUV.

And I'll probably bring some boxes of cigars and a case or two of whiskey.

And some Levis, Koka-Kola and chocolate to trade with the undiscovered natives.:D

FREEDOM!

[.38 Special]

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/pistol%20pics/Glock/kool_aidGlock.jpg

Ah, yes, the GLOCK. Perhaps not the first choice for precisely or reliably taking game, but I imagine the inevitable explosion can be counted upon to secure any nearby animals.

[knicks118]

As a matter of fact, I'm bringing a bunch of guns and a bunch of knives.

In my 8-cylinder SUV.

And I'll probably bring some boxes of cigars and a case or two of whiskey.

And some Levis, Koka-Kola and chocolate to trade with the undiscovered natives.

FREEDOM!

Don't forget a Brita filter, portable shower, a few generators, a subscription to Playboy, women, and George Foreman grill.

Haha...let's pretend we got stranded in a jungle or wilderness without prior warning and without being prepared in any way except one autoloader that fell from the sky.

[knicks118]

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/pistol%20pics/Glock/kool_aidGlock.jpg

I don't know what scared me most. The Kool-aid man when I was a child or the Kool-aid holding a Glock today.

[Northalius]

It's official: Glock 20 wins this thread, hands down! Go home, people!

The End.

:neener:

http://www.edinformatics.com/inventions_inventors/Kool-AidMan.jpg

[Northalius]

I wonder how many times ol' Ted had to shoot that water buffalo to bring it down though?

It was one shot from his Glock 20, using a 180 gr. round.

Read this thread: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=134786

So, again, if I am in the wilderness, then a 10mm 200 gr. WFNGC round will be enough to take down game I'm going to eat, or any BG animals that try to kill me. PLENTY against a human BG, of course. :)

[Geronimo45]

AK pistol.

[Thernlund]

P220. Threaded barrel.


-T.

[Northalius]

I did pick "AK pistol" on another forum when they asked which 5 pistols would you like, if only 5? But eh, ok, it was somewhat kidding, since I think they meant REAL handguns, not smaller machine guns! lol

So, are we counting the AK pistol here? If so, then I'll change my choice to that one.

If not, then I'll easily stick with the Glock 20. :)

[wyocarp]

Okay, we are in the handgun area of this forum and we are given the parameters as being an autoloader, so it would have to be a 10mm Glock for me. Glock 20.

[ReadyontheRight]

Haha...let's pretend we got stranded in a jungle or wilderness without prior warning and without being prepared in any way except one autoloader that fell from the sky.

Or we were prepared and had a pistol in our ditty bag or "in case of emergency" locker. This is actually a GREAT question, because survival packs SHOULD include a gun.

Looks like the 10mm wins. I agree it's a good choice, but still lean toward the .22 because you easily carry so much more ammo. Especially when you are unprepared - like in an airplane crash.

I just threw out the smart-Alec answer because...well...it's NOT a smart Alec answer. It's what I actually bring when I go into the woods. Just in smaller quantities. Plus food and toilet paper.

[mindwip]

if i was to be in the "jungle" for a week or so BHP if i was to be there long term, .22 malin 60 with lots of ammo

[varoadking]

Ted Nugent has taken down Cape Buffalo in Africa with a 10mm Glock 20!

Name one of his songs...without using Google...

[Northalius]

Okay...

Kiss My @!$ / Glock

:neener:

[Fishman777]

I would not choose a .45 acp, 40 S&W, or a 9mm for this application. While these conventional handgun cartridges are good choices against men, none of these are really adequate to take down large beasties with any kind of regularity. In my book, the *minimum* caliber for stopping large predatory animals would be +p or +p+ hardcast .357 magnum ammo. With big beasties, you want penetration and you have to hit a vital area. I would prefer one of these cartidges: .357 magnum, 10mm, .41 magnum, .44 magnum, .454 casull, .460 S&W, .480 Ruger, or .500 S&W.

If I could only have one autoloading handgun for the application that you described, I would choose a 10 mm G20. It is probably the best compromise of power, capacity, size, durability, and reliability in a "survival" autoloading handgun.

If there were large predatory animals in the area, I would probably take my 4" Ruger Redhawk in .44 magnum over any autoloading handgun.

I do agree with everyone else: I'd take an autoloading rifle or a shot gun over any handgun any day.

[jsconnelly]

Name one of his songs...without using Google...

Seems appropriate to mention "Great White Buffalo".

[Thernlund]

Name one of his songs...without using Google...

Stanglehold.


-T.

[bhp9mm]

glock 19

[Auburn1992]

A pistol: Glock in 10mm

A Rifle: M1a

[Confederate]

Tough question.

Given that rounds of ammo are all equal, I'd take a Ruger stainless GP-100 .357 with a 4-inch barrel, no underlug. My rifle would be a Mini-14 7.62, but I also like the Ruger .44 mag carbine.

[RONSTAR]

weird seeing these pics of rifles in a the handgun autoloader forums maybe people are just confused

[Poor East Texan]

I just can't see taking any autoloader pistol into a survival jungle enviroment!

MAYBE a high cap 357 sig Glock but that's about it!

[Northalius]

MAYBE a high cap 357 sig Glock but that's about it!

Why a .357 SIG Glock? The 10mm Glocks are more powerful than the .357 SIGs.

Plus, if you want true ".35 Magnum Auto" power in your Glock, just throw in a 9x25 Dillon barrel in your Glock 20, and buy DoubleTap 9x25 rounds.

With a 6" barrel, a 90 gr. 9x25 is hitting 2100 fps. With a 125 gr. it's hitting 1700+ fps.

With a 6" barrel, a 135 gr. DoubleTap 10mm round is hitting 1730 to 1750 fps.

Some powerful stuff from a semi-auto. :)

Still, I'd pick the DoubleTap 10mm 200 gr. WFNGC round for woods / jungle protection, if I had to carry a semi-auto pistol. Out of a 6" barrel, you're looking at 1430ish fps, and over 900 ft. lbs. energy... and 16 rounds of that in a Glock 20. :what: Or 21 rounds of it in a Glock 20 with a +5 mag extension! :what:

Here's the DoubleTap 9x25 selection to pick from: http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/index.php?cPath=24

[MCgunner]

4" 357 magnum medium frame revolver for the short gun. 12 gauge shotgun of my choice for the long gun.

These choices are the most versatile. AR15s are pretty limited in usefulness. I can hunt doves to ducks to deer to hogs to whatever with a good pump 12. I can get a rifled barrel if I want with rifle sights or a scope on the barrel for the big game stuff. Same gun works great for defense, better than any .223 rifle at defense ranges. It's also a great gun to have in bear country and a great survival weapon. Shot for small game, slugs for big game.

Autoloading handguns are specialty tools, not versatile enough to own as an only gun IMHO. My very first centerfire handgun was a Ruger Security Six, a good choice in retrospect. :D Carriable IWB, yet powerful enough to kill medium to large game, accurate, light, and capable of taking small game with .38 special loads. AND chambered for the best handgun fighting caliber ever invented, the .357 Magnum. It ain't no Sig, either. It can chunk a 180 grain bullet to over 700 ft lbs of energy from that 4" spout. That's handy on game.

[Confederate]

I just can't see taking any autoloader pistol into a survival jungle enviroment!
I'd say that's probably a fair observation. I'd go on to add any other backwoods or desert environment. Although a revolver can last a lifetime, autoloaders are essentially spring-powered mechanisms. Recoil springs and magazine springs wear with use. If a magazine is lost or damaged, the entire gun goes South. If fatigue sets in, you begin experiencing malfunctions (known to revolver afficianados as "jams"). Same thing is true if the thing isn't properly lubricated. A revolver can function with all sorts of lubricants that can be found in the middle of nowhere. Not true with autoloaders. Oh, and if you choose an aluminum framed auto, you also risk damage and malfunction. Polymers may work, but I'd hate to trust one as my "only" gun for the rest of my life.

http://members.arstechnica.com/x/impaktdevices/GP100_sm.jpg

This is what a good "rest of your life" gun looks like. It'll be around a lot
longer than the notebook computer it's resting on.

[Northalius]

MCgunner, I think you missed my posts about the 10mm rounds from a semi-auto Glock 20 (or 29)? Go read 'em, then you'll change your mind about saying no semi auto is versatile enough for an all-around gun. Load the Glock 20 up with DoubleTap, and have a 6" barrel handy, and you're set. :)

People (on one GlockTalk posted) have taken deer down at 112 yards with his Glock 20. Ted Nugent goes to Africa with his 10mm Glock 20.

DoubleTap 200 gr. WFNGC flies in at 1300 fps and 750 ft. lbs. energy, out of a 4.6" Glock 20 barrel. Sixteen to 21 rounds of this? You'll spit on your .357 Mag revolver if someone handed you this beauty! :neener:

Confederate, Glocks are the closest you'll get to revolver simplicty, durability and reliability in a semi-auto. Glocks hate a lot of oil, in fact they like only very little. There have been major (and numerous) "torture tests" to see what they can go through; there have been Glocks with 250,000 rounds fired through them, etc.

Revolvers, if something breaks, usually you'd have to bring it to a gunshop to get it fixed; with a Glock, you can easily have plenty of extra replacement parts on you to fix it yourself; Glocks have a huge aftermarket for replacement parts... and for cheap, too! Go Glock 20 10mm, and you'll be okay. Ask Ted Nugent. ;)

[Marshall]

Cat Scratch Fever.

Oh yea, an M1A and a BHP.

[bigmike45]

BHP for it's versatility, ease of maintenance and magazine quantity.

[HB]

Pistol is not going to save you from most big cats of the jungle (mostly because it's going to sneak up on you), and "hostile natives" today generally are armed with firearms, not bows and blowguns. I like to eat, so I say Browning Buckmark:neener:

People envision a scene of Rambo but in reality I much rather die from losing a gunfight than starving because every time I shoot a rat/monkey/squirrel they turn into a pile of mush. That would be rather frustrating.

I'll take a 12 gauge shotgun with a few rounds of birdshot, buck, and a few slugs, a .22 pistol, a knife or two and a tarp.

People (on one GlockTalk posted) have taken deer down at 112 yards with his Glock 20.

Honestly, that irresponsible in my opinion. I could probably kill a deer with a screwdriver, but I use a .30-30 instead. Animals should not be used in stunts/to prove a point....


HB
PS- The ratmonkeysquirrel is pretty tasty. I like this topic

[Northalius]

I'd rather take my chances eating mushed up rat and other small animals, though. ;)

The 10mm is still powerful enough to do the job, and accurate at long ranges. So, yeah, a rifle is obviously better, but the 10mm still has the power to "git'er duhn." :neener:

Guys, this is a semi-auto pistol choice; stop coming in here saying "I'd rather have a rifle..." etc. That wasn't the question of the OP, so if you can't stick to it, then don't respond. :)

Again, if you were FORCED to pick one semi-auto pistol to bring with you, WHAT would it be? This is not saying a semi-auto pistol is the best choice. Get it now? Good! :neener: