Am I just crazy or is everyone broke
yayarx7
August 21, 2003, 09:26 PM
Ok heres the story...
I hit hard times and yada yada yada, decided to sell some firearms :(
I put my S&W 22a target pistol with both 4 and 6 inch barrels up for consignment at the local dealer. It is in good used shape, so I put a price of $250 on it. I have both mags and the original blue box, even the orange chamber thingy. That was the least I could stand to get for her. So 6 months later I picked her back up.
So was I really asking too much? Is this just a fluke. I just wanted some more opinions on the matter.
Thanks,
Scott
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4v50 Gary
August 21, 2003, 09:36 PM
All depends on where you're at & how the economy is over there. I'm not broke but I'm buying a stapher's rifle this week. Just gotta find the buyer for your gun.
yayarx7
August 21, 2003, 09:54 PM
Now I no longer need the dough, someone will make me an offer, thats just the way it goes I guess.
9x19
August 21, 2003, 10:24 PM
The 22As and 22Ss just don't seem to move on the used market... Browning Buck Marks and Rugers, both MkIIs and 22/45s sell much better... at least in the shops I'm familiar with.
Did you have yours at The Bullet Trap?
yayarx7
August 21, 2003, 11:03 PM
No, Gunmasters.
I did sell a tec-9 at the Bullet trap, but got peanuts for it.
coldshot03/04
August 22, 2003, 03:10 AM
Broke.
WonderNine
August 22, 2003, 04:27 AM
Alot of people are broke now it seems. I'm broke. Hard times all around. :D
And my credit card won't allow me to buy those 3 .... blah blah blah I could go on for hours I'll just stop right there :D
Phyphor
August 22, 2003, 04:40 AM
What the hell do YOU think? :D
I mean, I do ok at my job, moneywise.......but damned if the gun funds ain't dried up these last few months.... :(
hd1.
August 22, 2003, 07:21 AM
What, no tax-free dividends?:(
Kahr carrier
August 22, 2003, 08:14 AM
The Economy is kind of bad,But people seem to find money if they like what they see.:)
Ky Larry
August 22, 2003, 09:25 AM
I think people want you to give them the gun and a free box of shells.
Last Dec, my CZ 75BD was stollen from the trunk of my car so I bought another one just like it. A month later, my neighbors 17 y.o. kid and his stoner pal tried to rob a 7-11 type store with my CZ. After endless paperwork and run-around, I got my CZ back. I took the newer one and 2 mags and box and paperwork to my local gunshop. New CZ-75BD's are selling for $400+. I asked $325 + the shops consignment fee for a total of $345. This pistol has had 10 rounds thru it. It's still in the display case.:confused:
Tamara
August 22, 2003, 09:29 AM
There are a disturbing number of bucks-up 1911's and older S&W's for sale in the Buy, Sell, Trade: Handguns section right now.
Folks usually don't come off those unless funds are tight. :uhoh:
Lennyjoe
August 22, 2003, 11:45 AM
I have 3 teenagers. What do you think?;)
Jesse H
August 22, 2003, 12:08 PM
I have 3 teenagers. What do you think?
I'm broke because I AM a teenager.
OMG wait I haven't been for almost 6 yrs... :(
Spieler
August 22, 2003, 12:13 PM
Let's see now: Cut in Salary, no overtime, local sales tax just went up, wife got canned, homeowners insurance went up, cars are about to fall apart, three kids who want everything under the sun....yeah I think I'm broke. But I do have my eye on that new Sig!:p
El Tejon
August 22, 2003, 12:38 PM
On July 31st I was broke. Much better now!:D
Keith
August 22, 2003, 01:41 PM
New CZ-75BD's are selling for $400+. I asked $325 + the shops consignment fee for a total of $345. This pistol has had 10 rounds thru it. It's still in the display case.
Larry,
That's a used gun for fifty bucks off. Or actually, the same price as a new gun if one shops around at gunsamerica or whatever.
It doesn't matter that you only shot ten rounds through it. Every used gun only has a few rounds through it - according to the seller.
Once you drive that gun off the showroom floor, the market value drops by at least a third. Every buyer asks himself how many rounds have REALLY been fired through it. And they wonder id something is wrong with the gun since it's being sold. And they wonder if saving $50 is worth it when they consider that if there is a problem, as second owner there may be no warranty on the gun.
Keith
Dorrin79
August 22, 2003, 01:55 PM
LOL
I'm broke.
Wife was not able to get a teaching position this year, and we just bought a house.
No more gun purchases for me, for a while.
:( :(
Pappy John
August 22, 2003, 02:32 PM
BROKE?!!..........Hahahahahahahahaha.........That was 2 had-to-have gun buys and a major plumbing upheaval ago. Now I'm in a serious plastic hole.
Standing Wolf
August 22, 2003, 08:54 PM
I've looked at the Smith & Wesson 22 a couple times, and it never impressed me as anything but a second-best plinker, probably not as good a gun as the Browning Buck Mark or Ruger Mark II. I might pay $150 for one, but only if it were in tip-top shape.
Newton
August 22, 2003, 09:06 PM
Once sold a 4 inch 22A with just 600 rounds through it for $70 if that's any help.
Trust me, there was a good reason I HAD to let it go, but even so :o
JohnKSa
August 22, 2003, 10:32 PM
Two most common mistakes gun sellers make.
1. It's in new condition so I can get new price. I've even had seen one guy try to include what he originally spent on sales tax in the resale price of one of his used guns.
2. It's got "EXTRAS" so it's worth more than it would be otherwise. Extras don't add to the value unless you find that special someone who wants the extras as badly as you did when you bought them.
Monkeyleg
August 22, 2003, 10:58 PM
You're right on both points. I'm broke, and it is driving me crazy.
10-Ring
August 23, 2003, 01:40 AM
You needed $250, how much did the shop tack on? You may have priced yourself out of the market ;)
BlkHawk73
August 23, 2003, 11:00 AM
JohnKSa is right on.. I see this often. Private sellers as well as dealers think that "just like new" commands the same price as if it were brand new. :rolleyes: Doesn't matter if 10 rounds were fired or 1000. It's still used. :banghead: Then people list them as "custom" simply because of aftermarket grips.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
As far as the S&W 22 first mentioned, I believe that to be a bit high myself but, I'm going by what I can buy them for and going prices in my area. each location is different. Also, on the the used market, the Rugers and Buckmarks are commanding those same prices and buyers will likely purchases them .
Lancel
August 23, 2003, 11:52 AM
I'm neither broke nor rich but I've got an excellent system for firearm purchases:
Every 3 to 6 months I decide I can easily get a new gun by just selling a Contender carbine barrel with stock and a .22 conversion kit for a Mini-14.
First I get the new gun. Then I procrastinate selling anything until it's time to get another gun.
Somehow it works.:D
Larry
Ebbtide
August 23, 2003, 02:17 PM
I've been trying to pay off debt in these uncertain economic times. I figure I have enough guns, buying more and not paying off debt (mortage, credit, etc) is just stupid when the economy, electricity, sky scrappers, or my roof could take a terd at any time...without warning.
I can only begin to empathize with the great depression generation. I guess all those "old guys" who tried to give me sage, conservative financial advice were right all along.
When will I learn to listen?
ehenz,
apparently appeals to glutany:confused:
Blueduck
August 23, 2003, 07:20 PM
Not broke, just seems the amount to be paid for handguns now is way outa line with what you actually get.
Don't really care if it's dealers and/or manufacturers trying to make too much per gun or just lawyers driving up prices for everybody. Bottom line is a consumer looks at something they want, try to determine whether it's worth it's price and chips fall where the may.
Looking at the quality/price equation, add in the general hassal of buying a handgun and it's just that nothings appealing much to me at the moment. I think there are more like me around than you would think.
AZ Husker
August 23, 2003, 07:43 PM
Everything said so far is true. But boy, if you're NOT broke this is the best time to buy guns I've ever seen in my life! It is truly a buyer's market. If ever you've wanted a premium gun, jump now. While you will save some on everything, the buys on the Les Baers, Wilsons, STIs, and even the occasional Ed Browns are amazing!
usnavymasterchief
August 24, 2003, 09:24 AM
I live in Florida, the land of fantastic weather, high cost of living and the low wage. Yep, near broke, thank God for the military pension or I'd be living in the Old Sailors home in New Orleans, really broke.
gearbox
August 24, 2003, 01:15 PM
I bought a GP100 last month...I was about to lay some cash down for an M1A.
Then I found out my job may not be secure. A building exploded and the Air Force wasn't that happy with us anyway.
So...I'm tightening the belt. I've got 10 months on this lease and car payments.
happy old sailor
August 25, 2003, 02:42 PM
slow economy, everyone broke - indeed.
my fav gunstore is considering closing down for a while, a long while i suspect, for lack of traffic. ppl are not even coming in to look.
my fav hockshop is the same way. stuff all over that ppl have lost in pawn. he is stuck as there are no retreivers or buyers.
for a couple of centuries here in America, when the common man gets ahead, there is a recession/depression, or another gasoline shortage which drives up the price of everything else.
all the politicians have a plan to restore the economy. to what: 1929??
ok, sorry guys, rant off.
RepublicanMan
August 25, 2003, 08:07 PM
Yes we're all broke, and yes you're crazy.:D
Blueduck
August 25, 2003, 08:37 PM
or another gasoline shortage which drives up the price of everything else.
Show me a booming economy in America with high gas prices and I'll show you Phil Donohue with Ted Nugent on safari. If only someone would have informed king George the first or second of this little fact our lives would be much easier :rolleyes:
cool45auto
August 25, 2003, 09:37 PM
Broke.:(
NewShooter78
August 26, 2003, 09:47 AM
Yeah, broke here too. I'm waiting to here about a new position I applied for, and if I get it I'll be in the market to get a new gun in few months (without having to sell one to get it!).
yayarx7
August 26, 2003, 05:29 PM
Thank you to everyone for his or her opinions, except for RepublicanMan (jk). :p
I still do not think it was over the top for the price. My logic was that for $250 a savvy gun shopper could maybe get a brand new 22a, or buy mine with 2 barrels. I put closer to $300 in it when I bought it used and I still think it was a fair price for a solid 22 plinker with the S&W name and two barrels.
I guess that times are tight for everybody and the fact that the 22a is not a Ruger or Browning would contribute to the lack of a buyer. I still don’t have to like it. :D
Thanks,
Ohen Cepel
August 26, 2003, 05:49 PM
I just bought her "the ring".
Of course I'm broke!!!!!!!!!!!
I could have bought a MP5 for that cash!!!!!!!!!!!
However, on the "bright side" side. Uncle Sam is going to give me a raise in the form of hazard pay. Just keeps getting better:rolleyes:
9x19
August 26, 2003, 06:28 PM
yayarx7,
Maybe you should sell a Ruger or a Browning and just enjoy shooting the Smith.... :D
BHPshooter
August 26, 2003, 07:03 PM
Yep, I'm broke. Got in a car accident the other day (My first one! :fire: ) and while it didn't do a damned thing to my good 'ole 69 Chevy pickup, It caused about a thousand dollars damage to his new plasticmobile. So you never know, that may get ugly.
But if I could just get a couple little things, like a month's supply of ammo and a fancy holster, I'd be happy for a good while.
Wes
P.S. The wreck was his fault :cuss: , but the cop didn't write him a ticket for failure to signal. :banghead:
9x19
August 26, 2003, 08:51 PM
Wes,
In many juridictions these days, the LEOs aren't allowed to ticket unless they saw it happen... which makes some sense... :D
Mike86
August 26, 2003, 09:30 PM
I was broke for the last 6 years..... Now I'm divorced and just bought my first new gun since I met my ex.
Wes, he may still get that ticket in the mail. It's been known to happen.
BHPshooter
August 26, 2003, 09:55 PM
Wes, he may still get that ticket in the mail. It's been known to happen.
Hope springs eternal. :evil:
Cheers, ;)
Wes
PCRCCW
August 27, 2003, 08:22 AM
Wes,
Sorry for this...but better a fair warning than a shocker.....
The 1000$ damage on the plastic mobile can easily turn into 3500$ in damage once the car is closely looked at........be careful.
Shoot well
Zach S
August 27, 2003, 10:05 AM
Broke? No, I do pretty well for a 22yo HS dropout with a GED. Hell, I do pretty well for a 22yo, period. My other hobby (hot rodding) tends to get in the way of guns I want. The "gun or car parts choice" is one have have to make pretty often. While car parts normally win, I've still manged to buy 5 quality pistols since July '02. Ironicly, I've only bought four 6 packs of Corona, so at least I'm not drinking my money away.
Oh, Wes, even though there wasn't a ticket wrote, theres still an accident report.
Blackcloud6
August 27, 2003, 10:35 AM
Maybe this is the reason:
http://www.davidsonsinc.com/consumers/subsites/inven_sql.asp?preview=&manufact_combo=Smith+%26+Wesson&category_combo=None&price_range=None&mod_ser_combo=22A&g_type=None&finish_type=None&calib_combo=None&sight_class_combo=None&num_rec=50&instock=all&offset_rec=0&b1.x=78&b1.y=13
Skunkabilly
August 27, 2003, 12:10 PM
I ain't broke, but I'm badly bent.
[enter mandolin solo]
Omaha-BeenGlockin
August 27, 2003, 12:34 PM
It seems to me when I looked those over a couple years back that retail was like $155----meaning I'd give you $100 for it ----maybe.
Extras get you nothing----if I trade a gun---the dealer gets no extra mags--grips--stocks---or the scope that was on a rifle---scope mounts etc.......because I won't get anything for them----save that stuff for when another one comes around.
I have all kinds of hi-cap mags---grips----scope bases for guns I don't even own---because sooner or later I'll have another one---or one of my buddy's will-----no---they're not for sale.
The S&W .22 autos had a pretty poor reputation over at the old TFL IIRC.
BHPshooter
August 27, 2003, 12:37 PM
Wes,
Sorry for this...but better a fair warning than a shocker.....
The 1000$ damage on the plastic mobile can easily turn into 3500$ in damage once the car is closely looked at........be careful.
Well, since he was at fault, he was only going to involve his insurance if possible. But yes, you're right, things like this have a funny way of going south.
Ah well, live and learn.
Wes
cxm
August 27, 2003, 09:11 PM
Over the years I have bought some of the nicest items in my collection during recessions. Lots of nice things would show up at shops and shows at reasonable prices.
This recession seems different...at least around here (Dallas area.) The good stuff is not coming up for sale... for that reason I infer the recession isn't as bad as some in the past.
FWIW
Chuck
M16
August 28, 2003, 06:25 PM
No recession here. 50 grand a month is almost hard to spend. Of course the friking government steals 36% but it still amounts to over a grand a day.
Skunkabilly
August 28, 2003, 06:34 PM
50 grand a month? :eek:
I make 50 grand in 30 months!
FireInTheHole
August 29, 2003, 12:11 AM
I'm broke.
$2500 (summer slave labor) - Tution - $$ for new glock - $$ for new tires = BROKE :(
Hell, you know it's bad when you have to decide between ammunition and beer..... (I chose ammo :p )
AZ Husker
August 29, 2003, 12:14 AM
Hole...What kind of student are you? In my college days, I was all set!
My secret...Reload your own ammo and brew your own beer! ;)
FireInTheHole
August 29, 2003, 12:24 AM
Chem Eng. Major.
"My secret...Reload your own ammo and brew your own beer! "
I reload... have to think about the microbrewery though.... hmm
Kenneth Lew
September 1, 2003, 03:45 AM
Common guns are no moving in the display cases at the local range. I think people believe that they can find better deals elsewhere or they do not feel rushed to get it. Series 70s, engraved, and odd 1911s sell like hot cakes at retail or higher. 89 banned imports also sell pretty well at retail too.
People do have money laying around, you just have to motivate them to spend it.
Kenneth Lew
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