K.31 Swiss Rifle


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mordechaianiliewicz
June 4, 2008, 08:38 PM
Okay. So I went shooting with a fellow THR member, and got an oportunity to shoot a Swiss Schmidt-Rubin straight pull k.31

I'd been putting off buying one for a while, always saying, "Oh what about the ammo?" or "That whizz bang semi-auto is soooo much cooler."

Then, I shot the K.31. It is unequivocally the finest rifle I've ever shot. First of all it looks cool. (Not that that has anything to do with the gun's shooting, but it does, and the straight pull system has a finely cammed and machined bolt and fairly complex looking mechanism). It is put together like a Swiss clock.

I shot it at 200 yards on a gong and wrung it each time I shot. That kind of accuracy hitting pretty much at the same place, with a gun I'd never picked up in my life was impressive.

Suffice it to say, about $240 dollars or so are gonna be going to this weapon soon.

Now, I just have to get into reloading......

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CBS220
June 4, 2008, 08:44 PM
Everybody who touches one of these can appreciate them for what they are- slick operating, very accurate, and chambered for a good cartridge.

mordechaianiliewicz
June 4, 2008, 08:47 PM
I felt that it could easily have kept on making the hits out to 500 yards. Probably past with no real problem (through the scope on the weapon), though I would have had to start doping the wind, something I don't know how to do.

ocabj
June 4, 2008, 09:06 PM
I wish I bought more K31s a couple years ago when they were still under $100 shipped.

jon_in_wv
June 4, 2008, 09:55 PM
I bought one last year and I absolutely love it. I have no desire to even purchase another long range rifle. It shoots dead on.

308sc
June 4, 2008, 11:27 PM
I have got to get one soon!

Claude Clay
June 4, 2008, 11:34 PM
the stock looks like it lost the war (twice), metal is 98%+ and the trigger is ---soo good i understand why it is sighted at 300 yards. reload using redding 7.5 swiss dies: they are made for the k31 specifically

tube_ee
June 4, 2008, 11:35 PM
the best trigger I've ever pulled on a milsurp. Unless you really don't like two-stage triggers, you'll love it. Light, consistent take-up, a positive stop on the sear, and a quick, ~4 pound break.

Great guns... I love mine. And if you don't reload yet, the Prvi Partisan is reasonably priced, and great ammo to boot.

Mine shoots into 1 1/2" at 100 yards with Partizan or GP11, and as little as 3/4" with handloads it likes... no, not consistently under 1", but that's my fault, not the rifle's. 3-9x40 Nikon ProStaff on a St. Marie's clamp-on mount.

Bottom line, if you miss with a K31, it ain't the rifle.

--Shannon

Coronach
June 4, 2008, 11:37 PM
I was one of the people who was completely nonplussed by the K31- until I held one. Oh my, I thought. That sure does balance well. Oh my, that bolt sure does operate smoothly. Oh, dear Lord...what an incredible trigger.

Yeah. I now own two.

Mike

bond007
June 4, 2008, 11:50 PM
Congratulations! Mine should be arriving this weekend. I'll post a post of pictures once I get it cleaned up!

Z71
June 4, 2008, 11:59 PM
I've owned one for several years.

Mine's a 1939 I think, has the soldiers tag under the buttplate, a beautiful tiger-striped(100% striped!) light colored walnut stock. The metal is great shape too, with an excellent bore and fine mechanics, all matching numbers(stock and all), moderate blueing wear. A super nice rifle. The only real flaw is the stock, while solid as a rock, is covered with minor dents and scratches, plus the usual "snow ring" dark spot around the butt.

She shoots great, however the straight pull is a bit strange for me. I honestly like my Steyr M95 better as far as the manipulation of the action goes. Nevertheless, the K31 is a smooth working, straight shooting rifle I'm quite proud of!

jon_in_wv
June 5, 2008, 12:46 AM
Most battle rifles of the era are apparently zeroed in the 300 yard range. My K31 doesn't seem to be nearly as far off as my Mosins. I can easily hit head shots, off hand, at 100 yards with my K31 by aiming between the shoulders of a silhouette target. at about 200 yards it seems dead on but thats from shooting a sand bluff at that distance I haven't tried it on paper at that distance.

collateral
June 5, 2008, 12:48 AM
I sold mine and I regret it every time I open up my safe or go to the range. They are dreamy.

DMK
June 5, 2008, 07:31 AM
Most battle rifles of the era are apparently zeroed in the 300 yard range. My K31 doesn't seem to be nearly as far off as my Mosins. I can easily hit head shots, off hand, at 100 yards with my K31 by aiming between the shoulders of a silhouette target. at about 200 yards it seems dead on but thats from shooting a sand bluff at that distance I haven't tried it on paper at that distance.

I found a couple of mine shot way high, even with GP11 service ammo.

TN Gun Parts has taller front sights for the K31. This will bring POI down and allow you to file the sight blade to zero the weapon to the marks on the rear sights using whatever ammo you shoot.

http://www.tngunparts.com/TALLSIGHTS.html

DMK
June 5, 2008, 07:35 AM
The only real flaw is the stock, while solid as a rock, is covered with minor dents and scratches, plus the usual "snow ring" dark spot around the butt. It would be nice if someone made a quality repro of the original stock, for those that wanted to restore their rifle to like new condition.


Now, I just have to get into reloading......
You can still buy GP11

http://www.dansammo.com/ammo.asp

35 Whelen
June 5, 2008, 07:53 AM
They say a picture is worth a thousand words:
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/308Scout/53K31Group2-1.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/308Scout/P3210022-1.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/308Scout/44K-31Groups3-1.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/308Scout/K-31Groups1.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/308Scout/1940%20K31/40Group.jpg

I have four and am about to sell a couple of them. In my opinion, they are simply the finest military rifles ever produced.

35W

Navy joe
June 5, 2008, 08:39 AM
The best part is three years ago people were crying about the expensive ammo. The GP-11 price has remained essentially unchanged even as the cost of common ammo and the rifle itself doubled or more.

Z71
June 5, 2008, 08:39 AM
They truely are a beautiful rifle! Finely fitted and made. A level of craftsmanship few military rifles or any rifle enjoy.

Ash
June 5, 2008, 08:52 AM
But Navy, these days will not last. When the GP11 stops coming in, ammo prices will rise very steeply very quickly. As an owner of a MAS 49/56 AND a VZ-52, I can attest to that...

Ash

jon_in_wv
June 5, 2008, 08:55 AM
The K31s are very popular. Several ammo companies are already starting to load ammo for it. I'm not particularly worried. Its not like an AK47 where you'll blow off 200 rounds a day with it. Don't let the ammo scare you away from a terrific weapon.

Ash
June 5, 2008, 09:17 AM
Ammo will be available. I do not say it cannot be had as in the case of the VZ-52. 7.5 ammo is commercially available.

But, commercial ammo will be more expensive, so these days of cheap ammo are numbered. You will always be able to shoot the K31 (or at least, for a very long time). But, consider, too, that Remington used to make 7.62x54r ammo for the hundreds of thousands of Mosins in country after WWI. But, by WWII, they had stopped and did not start up again.

Ash

TimboKhan
June 5, 2008, 09:19 AM
It's my favorite mil-surp to shoot, but it's not my favorite mil-surp overall. I mean, it's a matter of degrees, but I like my Springfield and my Swedish Mausers and even my Mosins just a touch better.

Why? Well, the Springfield shoots like a champ and fits me like a glove while the Mausers are more accurate. My Mosins just touch something primal within me, and I can't explain it any better than that. Like I say though, it's a close thing. I really enjoy shooting the K31, and I like the cartridge. I can't imagine being without one, but I also can't imagine not having the other three, either. Thats sort of the fun of mil-surps for me; I like them all for different reasons, and they are all a blast to shoot!

jrfoxx
June 5, 2008, 09:19 AM
Agreed. I really like my K31 also. My favorite aspect, aside from accuracy, is the straight-pull bolt.I think they are just slick, and wish more guns had them. That said, wait until you try a Swede Mauser. That mistake will end up costing you twice what the K31 did, bt you'll do it anyways, becuase if you love the K31's accuracy, you wont be able to pass up the Swede Mauser once you try one. they are as slick as greased dog poo. I'm curious to get a good bench setup, and some good handloads for each, and test them side by side to see if there is a clear winner. I think the Swede will come out on top, but not by much.

Furncliff
June 5, 2008, 09:47 AM
I have been considering a K31 for quite some time. But I'm 6'3'' and I'm concerned that the ring at the end of the bolt is gonna be a nose knocker. Can anyone tell me about that?

LiquidTension
June 5, 2008, 10:05 AM
I'm about 6'1" and the ring doesn't smack me.

I love mine. I haven't shot it much at all. I bought 60 rounds with the rifle and I still have some left. I need to order some Prvi so I can reload for it, but I've just gotten into reloading for my 700 so it's not real high on the list. I'd like to pick up another K31 and throw some glass on it.

Unfortunately the bank account won't tolerate that in the near future :(

TimboKhan
June 5, 2008, 11:04 AM
I don't think your going to have any problem with the ring, although I guess I can't say for sure. I am 6'1, and it hasn't even remotely been a problem for me...

Bullet Bob
June 5, 2008, 11:06 AM
They are great, aren't they? I got one when they were cheap, and was so impressed the first time I shot it, somehow I wound up with two more.

I have a Swedish Mauser, paid $75.00 for it and two boxes of ammo at a Roses Department store several years ago. I should have bought more of them at that time, didn't want to make the same mistake twice.:)

grimjaw
June 5, 2008, 03:14 PM
TN Gun Parts has taller front sights for the K31. This will bring POI down and allow you to file the sight blade to zero the weapon to the marks on the rear sights using whatever ammo you shoot.

DMK's description matches my experience. The first K31 I had shot pretty consistently, but high. The next one I got already had the aftermarket front sight, and it's a peach. Hits right at POA at 100 yards, and the trigger is grrrrrrreeAT!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3207/2369975138_bf6d83ab9f.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/grimjaw/2369975138/)

Vaarok
June 5, 2008, 04:04 PM
Personally, I feel my Gew1911 is a far superior rifle to my K-31s, but neither really suits me because of the bolt knob and my lefthandedness. I can crossover-operate with my M95 Mannlichers, but the Swiss rifles just don't work as well.

And of course, I've tried and failed to get the left-handed bolt conversions from Swissdagger.com

cracked butt
June 5, 2008, 04:44 PM
Personally, I feel my Gew1911 is a far superior rifle to my K-31s

I agree. My 1911 feels like a much moe substantial and higher quality rifle than my K31s as well, and that's saying alot. Too bad the 1911s don't have the same sight increments and ease of mounting scopes or diopters as the K-31.

jon_in_wv
June 5, 2008, 04:53 PM
My K31 is really smooth while my Mosins are rough, long heavy triggers, sticky bolt and really more fun to shoot! I LOVE the idea that some Russian soldier may have actually killed some godless Nazi with that thing. It taps into a patriotic part of my soul when I shoot it. My K31 is nice and a far better shooter but it just doesn't have the same vibe. Maybe I'll split the difference and get an Enfield.

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
June 5, 2008, 05:07 PM
I've got to ask... why are the groups I'm seeing on this soo spread apart? My K31 can easily shoot .5" to 1" at 100 yards, and all the guns were made the same? IDK, lol. If I can find all my targets, I'll show you all. I don't know where they went. Grrr, I gotta go use gas again! lol

Mine's a 1944 and belonged to a guy who had a last name of Jector.

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w25/Imatas121/k31-3.jpg
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w25/Imatas121/k31-2.jpg
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w25/Imatas121/k31-1.jpg
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w25/Imatas121/K31.jpg

col_tapiocca
June 5, 2008, 05:59 PM
I found a couple of mine shot way high, even with GP11 service ammo.

Swiss service rifles are allways sight in at 300 m it's approx. 328 yards bullseys 6 o'clock (do you say it so in english?)
Try to change your POA before made any modification on your K-31.

35 Whelen
June 5, 2008, 07:45 PM
I've got to ask... why are the groups I'm seeing on this soo spread apart? My K31 can easily shoot .5" to 1" at 100 yards, and all the guns were made the same? IDK, lol. If I can find all my targets, I'll show you all. I don't know where they went. Grrr, I gotta go use gas again! lol


If you're shooting .5" to 1" groups @ 100 yds. with OPEN SIGHTS, then you need to be shooting competitvely. Either you are very lucky, you have the eyesight of a Bald Eagle, or you're full of the brown, smelly stuff.
35W

Navy joe
June 5, 2008, 09:24 PM
Just ordered another case of GP-11 from Dans. So that makes 2 cases, a couple of bricks, and a bunch of full clips and mags. Plus 500 pieces of new brass and a corrseponding number of Sierra Matchking 175. 4 rifles to feed, it's a disease.

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
June 5, 2008, 10:10 PM
35 Whelen:

LOL Yeah I have some pretty good vision, and some of it is skill. I've been shooting with THIS particular rifle for years. Like stated, I'm tryign to find all the old targets. But if I can't, I'll take it out and do it again.

CBS220
June 5, 2008, 10:19 PM
0.5 inches at 100 yards with a K31? Diopters, scopes, or whatever, I'd call that one pretty darned unlikely.

The K31 is an accurate gun... but 1/2 MOA sounds like a fluke, knowing that mine hovers closer to the MOA mark, sometimes a little better.

And with iron sights?

:scrutiny:

cracked butt
June 5, 2008, 10:56 PM
The K31 is an accurate gun... but 1/2 MOA sounds like a fluke, knowing that mine hovers closer to the MOA mark, sometimes a little better.


All 6 of mine shoot anywhere from 1.5"- 2" groupings with irons. I've only mounted a scope on two of them and both will shoot less than 1.5" but not by much.

I saw a series of posts once by a fellow who scoped a K-31 which shot about the same as my k-31s. He did a number of tweaks including changing the tensioning of the rear guard screw and the tension of the front barrel band ore relieving the handguard near the muzzle. He didget the rifle to shoot consistantly sub-moa, and I don't mean he shot a single target with it and posted it on the internetz saying that he had a 'sub-moa' rifle, but shot several submoa groups on the same target paper. The K-31s do have that potential.

35 Whelen
June 5, 2008, 11:38 PM
My argument is not that the K-31's aren't capable of sub-MOA. If you'll look closely at the top two pictures I posted of my '53 K-31, you'll see it comes very close. This rifle has been somewhat modified as I've add a Lyman 48 receiver sight and bedded the rifle. I can tell you without hesitation that the main roadblock to accuracy with this particular K-31 are my 45 year old eyes.
I just very seriously doubt that...OK, I don't believe for a second that a person could over and over shoot 1/2" groups at 100 yds. with an open sighted K-31. Now, add a scope, and all bets are off.
35W

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
June 6, 2008, 01:10 AM
You all are entitled to you OPINIONS, and from the looks of it, most don't shoot sub MOA, but I assure you I can get .5" to 1" at 100 yards with mine using milsurp ammo. Believe it or not, but I know what I can do, and I know what I can do with MY rifle. Like stated before, this gun used to be all I shot. This is my first rifle, and I know my baby, lol (sounds wierd). I'm not sure how long you've been shooting yours, but I've been shooting mine for about 4-5 years with my groups starting near 8" at 100 getting down to 1" and sometimes .5" at 100.

Believe it or not, but one of these days I'll post proof. Either I find some of my targets (signed by a third party not aquainted with me or any of the buds' o mine as part of a bet), get a new camera and go shoot, or get one of those neat little range finding camcorders you can find here or there. One of these days.

CBS220
June 6, 2008, 07:13 AM
Like I said,

:scrutiny:

People tend to shoot a lot better on the interwebs than in real life... especially when you're just showing the shot target, and not the distance or range itself...

DMK
June 6, 2008, 08:22 AM
Swiss service rifles are allways sight in at 300 m it's approx. 328 yards bullseys 6 o'clock (do you say it so in english?)
Try to change your POA before made any modification on your K-31.You wouldn't zero at 300m with the rear sight set at 200m though, would you?

Maybe I'm weird, but I like my rifles to be zeroed so POI=POA at the ranges marked on the sight (or at least close as possible).

I actually do use a 6'oclock hold. But it's easy to adjust the sight elevation for the six 'oclock POA when target shooting.

DMK
June 6, 2008, 08:25 AM
Just ordered another case of GP-11 from Dans. So that makes 2 cases, a couple of bricks, and a bunch of full clips and mags. Plus 500 pieces of new brass and a corrseponding number of Sierra Matchking 175. 4 rifles to feed, it's a disease.Don't feel bad. When I got my five K31s a few years ago, I made sure to buy a case of GP11 from Dan's every month. Plus he was giving 10 clips with each case purchased. Last I checked, I have somewhere between 4-5k of GP11 and a big box of clips. I don't even want to add up what it all cost.

Seminole
June 6, 2008, 11:15 AM
When I got my five K31s a few years ago, I made sure to buy a case of GP11 from Dan's every month. Plus he was giving 10 clips with each case purchased. Last I checked, I have somewhere between 4-5k of GP11 and a big box of clips.

So THAT'S where all the GP11 has gone! :D

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
June 6, 2008, 02:46 PM
I love how when I say this everyone seems to think that I'm talking out of my ass. I'll prove it... just give it time.

Now, I have tried shooting competitively once, but found out soon after that the only problem with that is I don't have the funds anymore, and i'd regularly use a brick of ammo per meet, because I'd do multiple events. The hardest one for me is off of a benchrest, don't know why though, but I do best on my belly in the dirt having the rifle on a log or a sand bag.

lonniemike
June 6, 2008, 10:16 PM
DMK and others who may be interesrted in better stocks or left hand adapters should check out the swissrifles.com message forum. Pierre St. Marie of Swiss Products will be offering up stocks and offering up the lefty adapters soon. Also, Parashooter has posted on that site and other Swiss sites, pictures and details for making up a homemade, cobble up yourself lefty conversion for cheap. best-o-luck

Sylvilagus Aquaticus
June 7, 2008, 01:02 AM
I bought one early this year and it's a fine rifle.

I also found the man who it was issued to and thanked him for taking care of it.

See here:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=337027&highlight=K31

Regards,
Rabbit.

DMK
June 7, 2008, 11:22 AM
DMK and others who may be interesrted in better stocks or left hand adapters should check out the swissrifles.com message forum. Pierre St. Marie of Swiss Products will be offering up stocks and offering up the lefty adapters soon.Thanks for that info. I'll check out the forum.

My Karbines, while in mechanically excellent condition due to the obvious conscientious and careful maintenance by their previous owners, would not be considered lookers by even the most ardent Swiss rifle fan.

Limeyfellow
June 7, 2008, 02:01 PM
I can crossover-operate with my M95 Mannlichers, but the Swiss rifles just don't work as well.

Couldn't you hold the rifle with the left hand and work the bolt with the right. I know it is over a 10ib rifle but it is so well balanced that I don't have that much of a problem doing it.

I agree. My 1911 feels like a much moe substantial and higher quality rifle than my K31s as well, and that's saying alot. Too bad the 1911s don't have the same sight increments and ease of mounting scopes or diopters as the K-31.

That is the only problem I have with the 1911. I much prefer a diopter sight or other peep sight on my rifles and find it much easier to use, so the K31 with the clamp on diopter sight you can buy is a nice advantage, but damnit, the 1911 is so lovely.

Vaarok
June 7, 2008, 06:30 PM
Trust me, I've tried various stances, the vertical barrel-shaped bolt-knob just doesn't grasp as well as the long stalk on a M-95.

And while one should always be skeptical about accuracy claims, the Chittenango Benchrest Club south of Syracuse NY did a K-31 match about six or eight months ago.

Best accuracy was a three-inch five-shot group with iron sights.

At six hundred yards.

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
June 7, 2008, 06:48 PM
yeah I'm talking about 100 yards.
with Irons. .5" to 1" 6 shot groups.

jrfoxx
June 7, 2008, 06:58 PM
I have a Swedish Mauser, paid $75.00 for it and two boxes of ammo at a Roses Department store several years ago.
Unless by "several years ago", you mean like 40 years ago, that is an INSANE price! If you paid that little withing the last 10 years, you should have bought 100 and made serious bank! In decent condition, the go for around $400 at the minumum. I thought I lucked out by getting my minty Swede in a trade for a $500 shotgun, but $75 is such a steal it's immoral! :what::D

ROMAK IV
June 7, 2008, 08:26 PM
Believe it or not, I have yet to buy a K-31! I do have an 1896/11 and a K-11. The action of the K-11 is velvety smooth, like a K-31, but the action of the 96/11 is a bit stiff, until there is live ammunition in it, then it's fine. It is amazing to actually shoot a 108 year old rifle, and the only indication of its actual age is the round butt of the rifle, the only unpleasant thing about shooting it. My K-11, doesn't have the usual beat up stock of the K-31, and the bore cleaned up to a new apeparance. In fact, the closest I came to buying a K-31, I passed, because the bore wasn't pristine. Even the bore on the 96/11 is excellent, so I wasn't going to get a K-31 with anything other than a good bore

Coronach
June 7, 2008, 09:12 PM
And while one should always be skeptical about accuracy claims, the Chittenango Benchrest Club south of Syracuse NY did a K-31 match about six or eight months ago.

Best accuracy was a three-inch five-shot group with iron sights.I could totally do that.At six hundred yards....ok. Maybe not.

Mike :D

Cosmoline
June 7, 2008, 09:38 PM
You won't smack it unless you're leaning in too close. Remember this is not a standard scoped Remchester. Your eye should be back a bit. On the K-31 you should have sufficient clearance to cycle without breaking the weld. If your nose is sitting right behind the bolt it's too close.

Enfieldier
June 8, 2008, 12:10 AM
Here's my Swiss group. All very accurate. Since then I've added another K11. The K31s are very accurate but I like the K11s for general handiness and a slightly faster action.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/smle-man/SWISSCOLLECTION004.jpg

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
June 8, 2008, 12:52 AM
nice looking guns

jon_in_wv
June 8, 2008, 08:43 AM
K.31 Swiss Rifle
Okay. So I went shooting with a fellow THR member, and got an oportunity to shoot a Swiss Schmidt-Rubin straight pull k.31

I'd been putting off buying one for a while, always saying, "Oh what about the ammo?" or "That whizz bang semi-auto is soooo much cooler."

Then, I shot the K.31. It is unequivocally the finest rifle I've ever shot. First of all it looks cool. (Not that that has anything to do with the gun's shooting, but it does, and the straight pull system has a finely cammed and machined bolt and fairly complex looking mechanism). It is put together like a Swiss clock.

I shot it at 200 yards on a gong and wrung it each time I shot. That kind of accuracy hitting pretty much at the same place, with a gun I'd never picked up in my life was impressive.

Suffice it to say, about $240 dollars or so are gonna be going to this weapon soon.

Now, I just have to get into reloading......


THIS IS WHAT THE OP ORIGINALLY POSTED. NOT WHETHER OR NOT LJ-MOSINFREAK-BUCK CAN SHOOT THE GROUPS HE CLAIMS OR NOT. ITS PRETTY POOR TASTE TO CALL HIM A LIAR IF THATS WHAT HE SAYS HE CAN DO. HE EVEN OFFERED TO PROVE IT SO CAN WE MOVE ON???

Stepping of my soapbox. K31s are EXTREMELY accurate and I love mine. The last time I was at my Dad's house in Minnesota I was shooting a sand bluff at about 150 yards and after the first shot I could easily hit the same spot over and over. Thats shooting offhand. I still need to put a scope on it to see what it will really do.

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
June 8, 2008, 04:21 PM
Thanks Jon in WV:

I didn't post that to get all the disbelief. I posted that as a rifleman to other fellow rifleman. I can prove it, but at the moment, I've got over three grand to pay off in accidents and fines, so AT THE MOMENT, I CANNOT PROVE A THING.

I promised you proof, and you'll get it. But it will be a while before I can shoot. I am a man of my word.


Now to reply to the post, and not the allegations of me being a liar:mad:,
The K31 is an accurate and balanced gun. and the Swiss made them to be accurate rifles, which, just about all of them, if properly taken care of, are. I did see a K31 that had a bad bore, and one with crooked sights. It's just that not everyone takes care of them as good as someone else does.

Boris Barowski
June 8, 2008, 05:10 PM
I have one, with tag.
the stock is dinged around the buttplate, but then again it did serve in the mountains and on horses (the unit it belonged to is tasked with transport over mountains with horses and maintenance of mountain passes and paths)

made in 52 and shoots very nice. With the GP11 ammo it shoots better than I can

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
June 8, 2008, 06:46 PM
did you try to contact the guy on the tag? I did. I'm waiting for a reply now.

Boris Barowski
June 9, 2008, 10:29 AM
I haven't yet, but I did find an address in a swiss online phone book that could be him, if he still lives in the same village.

Any idea how to find an e-mail? or did you use traditional mail?

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
June 9, 2008, 01:05 PM
i used snail mail, lol. And that info on that site should be recent.

If the site you used isn't the same as this on, try this:

www.tel.search.ch

give them as much info the tag offers.

Boris Barowski
June 9, 2008, 01:32 PM
jup, that's the site I used

even gave me a nice map of his farm :)

I'll give it a try and write a letter :)

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
June 9, 2008, 01:38 PM
good looking forward to hearing what the fella has to say.

SP Shop Foreman
June 28, 2008, 03:37 PM
Our website is read-only, but it has a few cool pics of accessories for Swiss rifles.

www.swissproductsllc.com

Allen
SP

farmallmta
June 28, 2008, 04:43 PM
Mordechai, the K31 is, in my opinion, possibly THE highest quality military rifle ever produced and generally available as surplus. And I'm saying this as a serious Mauser fanatic and as also having a bad case of M1/14-wanna.

The manufacture of the K31 was given careful attention typical of the Swiss; they were nearly always housed and maintained carefully by the individual to whom they were issued, also typical of the Swiss; and they were almost all in VG to Excellent condition when returned to the arsenal for disposal as surplus. The milsurp ammo is as close to match grade as general milsurp has ever been, and the packaging and storing of both guns and ammo has been second to none. The Swiss climate and constant cool temperature/low humidity/near zero pollutants storage environment also contribute to the amazing condition of nearly all K31's.

Another strong advantage of the K31 is that it is a good house protection gun. It can remain clip loaded and accessible, in plain sight even, yet not be a hazard to children due to the rather great strength needed to take it off safe and to chamber a round. These were attributes recognized as desirable by the far-sighted Swiss due to intended presence in each man's home. It is to our benefit now as the next generation owners! Most intruders wouldn't have a clue in h*ll how to operate it, so you're somewhat less likely to have them pick it up and use it on you.

All in all, I say again what I must have said to folks a thousand times: THE K31 IS THE BEST KEPT SECRET IN THE RIFLE WORLD, BAR NONE!

Floppy_D
June 28, 2008, 04:54 PM
If you live near Virginia Beach, VA, A+P Arms has them for 79.99, less without the sling. They are beat up and dirty, but clean up nicely.

shuvelrider
June 28, 2008, 06:19 PM
FWIW cuz it uses the same bullet diameter as the Springfield, I use 150 gr FMJ for my reloads to feed the K31 and I,ve had good performance with them. So for the cost of one bullet type, I can feed 2 differant rifles. Happy shooting

Shung
June 28, 2008, 06:31 PM
Being Swiss, I have 3 of them.

My tightest one has a 7.52 bore, which makes it very precise.

I never tried anything else than GP11 ammo since its very available and fairly cheap (35ct a cartridge) here.

the average price here for this venerable rifle is around 100$ . But for few months now, arsenals dont have any of them left, so you must look private sellers.


sorry, but being Swiss, I had to smile at that ;)

The Swiss climate and constant cool temperature/low humidity/near zero pollutants storage environment

precision. In Switzerland, its HOT in the summer, unless you climb at 1000m+ . In Winter it can get very humid... as for polluant, we have our fair share of it :)

With all due respect, I think everyone should forget all the "switzerland cliché" ;)

On this, you are VERY right !

The manufacture of the K31 was given careful attention typical of the Swiss; they were nearly always housed and maintained carefully by the individual to whom they were issued, also typical of the Swiss; and they were almost all in VG to Excellent condition when returned to the arsenal for disposal as surplus.

exept that usually, after being issued to somebody, the rifle would stay with that person even after he stopped serving. Kept in the barn, or in the basement. That was happend to my first one, given by my grandfather. from that I bought 2 others (and also 2 k11, and 1 STG57 )

I love my issued SIG550, but I will never give back my 31s !

jkingrph
June 28, 2008, 07:47 PM
Agreed. I really like my K31 also. My favorite aspect, aside from accuracy, is the straight-pull bolt.I think they are just slick, and wish more guns had them. That said, wait until you try a Swede Mauser. That mistake will end up costing you twice what the K31 did, bt you'll do it anyways, becuase if you love the K31's accuracy, you wont be able to pass up the Swede Mauser once you try one. they are as slick as greased dog poo. I'm curious to get a good bench setup, and some good handloads for each, and test them side by side to see if there is a clear winner. I think the Swede will come out on top, but not by much.

I have both and using current mil surp ammo, think the Swiss have the accuracy edge. I have a 1911 Swiss that is far more accurate than any of my K-31's, including one scoped and one with diopter target sights, and any of my Swedes, and I do love them dearly also. Both series are some of the finest military rifles ever made, the Swiss in my opinion having a better level of fit and finish, and a far better trigger. The Swede is the best, slickest of the Mausers that I have handled, and especially like the heft and feel of the M38 as compared to the Swiss. Like apples and oranges, both fruit, the K 31 and M 96 are both rifles, good but different.

Shung
June 28, 2008, 08:17 PM
maybe your 11 barrel is tighter than you 31s barrels.. and though, more precise.

But with both equal bores, generally the 31 is more precise due to the heavier barrel.

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
June 28, 2008, 09:04 PM
LONG LIVE THE K31!

:cool:

cracked butt
June 28, 2008, 09:48 PM
maybe your 11 barrel is tighter than you 31s barrels.

The 1911s actually have a more generous barrel than the K-31s. The grooves in a 1911 typically run around 0.310" much like all other .30 calibers of their time, while K-31s have grooves that are slightly less than .308". Swedish mausers and 1903 springfields also have oversized gooves and are known to be exceptional shooters.
I think the 1911s have the advantage of much better bedding. The typical K-31 has the fore end clamped down on the barrel by the bayonet lug band. Any warping of the handguard or stock cause issues with pressures on the end of the barrel. The 1911 barrel is free floated and is isolated from the end of the stock by an aluminum sleeve that doesn't allow the barrel to touch the wood. The 1911s are less affected by sling pressure than the K-31s as well. My 1911will outshoot any of the 5 K-31s that I currently have, the only problem being is that the 1911 has its sights regulated to a minimum of 300 yards which means that I have to 'hold under' at shorter distances. Another disadvantage of the 1911s is that there isn't any way to mount a receiver sight or a scope without drilling and tapping- something I'm not willing to do to a 1911.

jkingrph
June 28, 2008, 10:46 PM
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I have a Swedish Mauser, paid $75.00 for it and two boxes of ammo at a Roses Department store several years ago.

Unless by "several years ago", you mean like 40 years ago, that is an INSANE price! If you paid that little withing the last 10 years, you should have bought 100 and made serious bank! In decent condition, the go for around $400 at the minumum. I thought I lucked out by getting my minty Swede in a trade for a $500 shotgun, but $75 is such a steal it's immoral!

Paid $69 for my first Swede in 1991, not long after returning for duty in an AF Contingency Hosp. in support of Desert Storm. A nurse at our local hospital had gotten his FFL and was itching to sell something, and I had always thought highly of the cartridge. He had gotten a blueing tank so we "bubbaed it", reblueing the proper parts while I polished the bolt, and refinished the stock. I did not know about the immense interest and collector value that was about to emerge, so probably ruined and collector value, but it is a very nice looking 2898 with a fairly low 4 digit serial number and a fantastic shooter. I have since gotten others , generally 4-6 times that price, and have only cleaned them up a bit to preserve value. That first one is in original military configuration, only looks realitively new.

My first K 31 was $139 at a gunshow, excellent metal, typical beaver chewed stock. I carefully scraped and sanded retaining the cartouches, and revealed a very pretty piece of flame grained walnut. I started researching and found all of these interesting forums and learned about the C&R and rapidly acquired 5 more all in the$69-79 price range, none as pretty as the first. After all I had to have enough for two stacks.

CHEVELLE427
July 19, 2008, 06:48 AM
i have a
K11 AND IT ALSO IS A GREAT GUN.

found 2 K31s for $279 local, was told there drying up so if you want one get it now.

i also reload for the K11
SO I CAN SHOOT IT MORE

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