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Marcus84
June 4, 2008, 10:20 PM
Is it possible to buy a Kalashnikov in semi-auto in the US?

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Thernlund
June 4, 2008, 10:23 PM
I'm not sure I understand you. But if I do, the answer is no. Kalashnikovs (true AK-47s) are full-auto.

You can get any number of semi-auto AK clones.


-T.

elmerfudd
June 4, 2008, 10:24 PM
That's practically all you can buy and assuming you live in one of the states that allow them, (there are about 5 that don't), they are readily available.

JesseL
June 4, 2008, 10:56 PM
Yes, you can buy (or even build) your own Kalashniclone.

The Romanian one I bought:
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m5/J_M_Lambert/Guns/100_1887.jpg

The one I built as a gift for my Father-in-law.
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m5/J_M_Lambert/Guns/100_2196-1.jpg

Marcus84
June 4, 2008, 11:06 PM
Thanks for the replies. I meant I didn't want a clone but I see that's not an option. I thought maybe the company also made them in semi-auto.

dfariswheel
June 4, 2008, 11:16 PM
The Izhmash company of Russia actually manufactures Russian military AK rifles, and they also make a commercial model known as the "Saiga".
It is semi-auto only, and does not look like the military models.

JesseL
June 4, 2008, 11:21 PM
I'm not entirely clear on what entity you mean by "the company" since the Avtomat Kalashnikova model of 1947 was a product manufactured in numerous factories by the USSR which is now a defunct nation. There are Kalashnikov derived rifles made in Russia in one of the original factories by the Izhevsk Mechanical Works; which you can buy on the civilian market in the US. They're marketed here by the Russian American Armory Company (http://www.raacfirearms.com/) as sporting guns under the name 'Saiga'.

http://www.raacfirearms.com/images/p_saiga.jpg

As you can see they're cosmetically a little different from a 'real' AK, but there are companies like Tromix (http://www.tromix.com/) that specialize in converting them back to their classic configuration.

http://www.tromix.com/images/AK103223wg.gif

Marcus84
June 5, 2008, 12:07 AM
I knew that Kalashnikov was the name of the creator of the gun and assumed that it was also the name of the company. My mistake. Basically I'm interested in buying an ak that looks most like the original. This would be perfect.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/AK-47_type_II_Part_DM-ST-89-01131.jpg/300px-AK-47_type_II_Part_DM-ST-89-01131.jpg

JesseL
June 5, 2008, 12:23 AM
If you want something that looks like one of the original AKs with a milled receiver, you might looks at the offerings from Arsenal Inc (http://www.arsenalinc.com/index.htm).

http://www.arsenalinc.com/sam7classicnb/sam7classicnb.jpg
(you can always drag it behind your car down a gravel road if you want a more weathered look :neener:)

If you're okay with a stamped receiver AK with wooden furniture, there are quite a few options since the stocks and handguards are easy to change out.

Gunsby_Blazen
June 5, 2008, 12:28 AM
Get an Arsenal, do your research though some of them have sight issues.
http://www.arsenalinc.com/about.html
http://www.arsenalinc.com/slr107fr/slr107fr.jpg

and by the way JesseL, where did you get that stock?? looks awesome!

JesseL
June 5, 2008, 12:32 AM
and by the way JesseL, where did you get that stock?? looks awesome!

Thank you!

That is what happens when you sand the quarter inch of varnish off of commie plywood (ate 2 or 3 belts on my sander), stain it with some blue-green stain mixed up by True-Value, and finish it off with a couple coats of semi-gloss polyurethane.

Marcus84
June 5, 2008, 12:36 AM
Anyone know why Arsenal discontinued that model??

dstorm1911
June 5, 2008, 01:37 AM
Jessel, its not varnish its Shelac and comes right off with denatured alcohol or paint stripper in bout 10 minutes....... no power tools needed ;)

xd45gaper
June 5, 2008, 01:43 AM
if this is your first ak i wouldnt prolly get a $1000.00+ Milled receiver Arsenal lol

i would go with a romanian G code, or Romanian WASR or something a bit cheaper then once you are hoplessly addicted or completly turned off then go in to the higher end models. unless you are just rich then it wouldnt matter either way lol

jackdanson
June 5, 2008, 02:25 AM
Yeah romanians are a lot cheaper and can shoot just as well. Just check to make sure the front site isn't canted (turned). They have problems with that.

Personally, I STRONGLY reccomend a saiga, they are the cheapest of all and the quality is top notch. (for an AK) My friend has $250 7.62x39 saiga. At 100 yards we can hit those small 3 inch mini-clays, it is pretty impressive. If you want it to "look" AK you can mod it yourself for under $200. Also, to my knowledge, they are the only authentic russians you can get.

Z71
June 5, 2008, 03:11 AM
I bought a Century WASR-10 hi-cap late last year for $329 on sale.

Basicaly an inexpensive AKM clone. No provision for a bayonet, plus no sling, and shorted a couple pieces of the cleaning kit tools.

I checked for straight sights and that sort of issue's, then chose one I thought looked OK. But really, none of the WASR's I looked at at the store were obviously infected with crooked sights.

The gun does have a bit of mag wobble. However seems to depend on the mag itself, some magazines being a decent fit, and other identical mags being somewhat loose.

The WASR-10 I bought works perfectly. I bought some used Russian mags from JG sales that pretty much identical to the Romainan mags, and they work great too.

Accuracy is fine, being much better than I had expected. Once the sights were properly centered up, shoots perfectly centered goups on paper. Group size seems to depend on shooter. The Century installed Tapco trigger goodies deliver a nice trigger pull(way-way better than an SAR-1 I had fired in the past!). I'm sure the trigger being civilized aids accuracy.

The gun is however nothing fancy! While the exterior fit and finish is nothing fancy, it's not at all ugly. Wood furniture was laminated wood, unfinished, and sanded to about 40 grit. Rear sight notch was just an off center hacksaw cut! The gun appeared to be straight off the assembly line. Sights were not calibrated or sight notch finished, wood was bare.

To use the rifle I had to center up and somewhat widen the rear sight notch. Then smear some linseed oil on the wood. Reminded me of a 95% finished AK kit; finish the stock, then sight it in.

I was satisfied with it, and consider my AKM clone a keeper. Looks just about the same as everyone else's AK and shoots great to boot.

Marcus84
June 5, 2008, 03:40 AM
Thanks for the review on the WASR. Was reading about them and wasn't sure but the price seems good. Saiga also has good prices but I don't like the look of them.

nalioth
June 5, 2008, 05:34 AM
Basicaly an inexpensive AKM clone. No provision for a bayonet, plus no sling, and shorted a couple pieces of the cleaning kit tools.The WASR-10/63 comes with a sling, bayonet (yes, a bayonet lug, too) oiler, cleaning kit and at least 2 new Romy mags. Did you buy yours new?

Saiga also has good prices but I don't like the look of them. You don't?
http://www.novarata.net/abrams/20nch-saiga_1207.JPG

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb282/jroberts1968/PICT0001.jpg

http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/HPIM1212.JPG

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/285/img1238vm9.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/DavePAL84/ak/saiga223.jpg

Now I ask you, "What's not to like?"

Many more pix of super cool Saigas here (http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showforum=29)

chupacabrah
June 5, 2008, 07:46 AM
saiga's are awesome. and you can get wood furniture to put on them.


otherwise, go to www.classicarms.us and look at the romanian WASRs or something like that. atlantic firearms has some good ones too

Z71
June 5, 2008, 08:12 AM
Yes, the WASR I bought was new. I looked at 3 or 4 identical rifles in the box's at the store. None had a sling or bayonet lug. The cleaning kit thing I believe was just my rifle being short a couple tools I believe should have been in the kit.

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