.260?


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Kaylee
August 21, 2003, 11:58 PM
what can y'all tell me about this cartridge?

I'd been looking at building up a baby .308 carbine eventually, and the feller I spoke with today suggested .260 instead.

Other than it's based off the .308, and some of y'all as recommended it or a variant for an infantry round... what should I know about it if I'm considering making/buying a rifle in it?

I presume it's good for plain ol' deer, but how versatile is it? What's the effective range? How's the recoil/blast compared to .308?


-K

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sanchezero
August 22, 2003, 12:06 AM
Check over here (http://www.snipershide.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi) . A few of the guys there have been shooting this.

:)

only1asterisk
August 22, 2003, 06:51 AM
A personal favorite of mine! My perfect deer rifle would be a .260 (aka 6.5-08, aka 263 Express and a hundred other names). It is one of those just right cartridges.


David

Hemicuda
August 22, 2003, 07:47 AM
Small, Lightweight, Fun to shoot... I'd recommend one to almpst EVERYBODY...

I got one, and PROMPTLY fell in love with it!

cma g21
August 22, 2003, 08:02 AM
In a small light carbine, like you want to build, it might be slightly less versatile (at least on the big game end of the spectrum) but it would be a lot more fun to shoot.

Brian Williams
August 22, 2003, 08:09 AM
For some reason 6.5 or .260 is a magic number for bullets. This caliber and 7mm or .284 have a great ballistic coefficient to them, they fly straight and hit hard. I have a 7mm-08 and it is a great cartridge very accurate and carries a nice thump.

Mine is in a Win 70 Compact Classic it is a very lightweight gun but it does not beat me to death. I shot 100 round from a bench while I was load testing and I was not beaten about the shoulder. My rifle weighs about 6.6 pounds with the scope. I have heard a lot of great comments about the 6.5 swede and the 260 is fairly similar, shorter.

Get one and enjoy.

Newt
August 22, 2003, 09:23 AM
I have one in Remington Model 7 .260. Very light, easy to carry, and a very great shooting gun. I use mine for deer and for plinking, but it could be more versatile.

Newt

Preacherman
August 22, 2003, 09:47 AM
Just think of the Swedish Mauser in 6.5mm. That's a "magic" round for accuracy and long-range ballistics, and has taken everything from whitetail through to moose with great success. The .260 Remington is pretty close to those ballistics. I wouldn't use it on moose, but with the right bullet, at the right range, if I had to, I'd expect good results.

The "family" of cartridges based on the .308 case seems to be uniformly very good indeed, from the .243 right through to the 7mm./08. I don't know why this should be, but it's obviously a cartridge that lends itself to customization. Now, how about something in the .308/.17 line for some REAL velocity... ? :D

Kaylee
August 22, 2003, 10:25 AM
hrmmm.. so given the aim-- a short-barrelled/short-actioned light carbine, pretty general purpose...

.. which is the better choice? 260 or 7mm/.284?
-K

mete
August 22, 2003, 10:39 AM
I hunted for many years with the 6.5x55, fantastic, I love it .When I made it I narrowed my choice to 6.5x55 and 7x57 ,it was a toss up. Today with the modern 260 or 7-08 it would still be a toss up. All of the above are excellent, accurate, moderate recoil and ideal for deer. The choice is yours.

WYO
August 22, 2003, 10:47 AM
Kaylee, that is a tough question in the abstract. Because you live in Idaho, I would like to know if the rifle is just going to be a deer rifle, or whether you will use it for other larger game, and the distances involved. From reading some of your other posts, I also suspect that you aren’t recoil sensitive to anything in the .308 class. There is a lot of info on this and other forums about .308 class firearms, and I’ll post a couple of URLS involving discussion of .260’s and 7mm-08’s.

We went through the same process in the last year for me, my wife and our 10 year old son. Because we won’t be limiting ourselves to deer, we wanted something that could get the job done on elk within reasonable distances. Ultimately, my son ended up with a Remington 700 ADL Youth in 7mm-08 (20” barrel), I ended up with a Remington 700 Ti in .308 (22”), and my wife picked a Ruger M77 MKII in .308 (22”). My rifle and our son’s rifle are totally stock (the Youth model has a 1” shorter stock), but we got the LOP reduced an inch and a Decelerator added to the wife’s rifle. I am loading some slightly reduced 165 gr. Barnes XLC and Triple Shock loads for my wife’s rifle. She wears a Past recoil shield from the bench, and recoil is very manageable with ample killing power for elk out to 250 yards. I also download the 7-08 for our son until he gets a little bigger. My wife had no trouble with the 7-08 and factory 140’s from the bench while wearing the Past recoil pad, and I suspect that it would be the same for factory .308’s in the 150-165 gr. class.

While I think that a .260 would be an excellent deer rifle, and can be used for larger game at reasonable distances, I think that you get more insurance (including higher bullet weight options) with a 7mm-08 or .308 if you can handle the recoil. While a 100 fps difference in muzzle velocity between the .260 and 7-08 isn’t that much in the abstract, there is a break point where it can be important. This is especially true after you make the appropriate discounts for manufacturers' inflated velocity claims and shortened “real life” barrels.

I also saw your post asking about the Compact Rugers. Personally, I think that chopping the barrel down to 16 inches as a means to save weight and make something handy is not the way to go. It gives up a lot of velocity and you get more blast. There are a lot of compact rifles out there with 20 inch barrels from most of the major manufacturers.

I think that you probably do enough research and know enough about your shooting that you can make a good decision. Good luck, and let us know what happens.

http://www.nookhill.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=38;t=001091#000000

http://www.nookhill.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=38;t=001110#000002

Sunray
August 22, 2003, 02:38 PM
It's not in any way, shape, or form a military round. It's strictly a commercial Remington venture. Nothing wrong with it though. Except you may not be able to find ammo for it in Upperrubberboot, MI. if you get up there for a hunt and find you left your ammo on the kitchen table.
http://www.remington.com/ammo/ballistics/centerfire/results.asp?cal=15

El Tejon
August 22, 2003, 02:50 PM
.260=coming to a militree ammo dump near you in '05.:D

JShirley
August 22, 2003, 03:09 PM
Kaylee-

Investigating this round recently, myself. Seems about ideal for game up to maybe 500 lbs or so. After that, being a bit old-fashioned, I'd want more lead and diameter.

Oh- and you can get one in FAL guise from DSA. :)

John

Newton
August 22, 2003, 03:57 PM
260 Rem is a great potential replacement for the poodle shooting 5.56mm in current military usage. If I was buying a new deer rifle right now, it would be a 260. Accurate, hard hitting, low recoil - it's a great cartridge, they really found that magical caliber sweet spot with this one.

JShirley
August 22, 2003, 05:07 PM
Disagree. Too close in size to .308 parent ctg. Smaller round needed.

js

Futo Inu
August 22, 2003, 08:01 PM
No personal experience, but in a light handy carbine/rifle it seems ideal. Bullets have very good to excellent BCs (optimizing at 142 grain boattails, IINM), giving it a flatter trajectory at longer range, and good penetration at all ranges. With a .30, you have tons of bullet choices; 7mm (7-08) - less bullet choices but still a lot, slightly better bullet BCs and less recoil than .308; 6.5 mm - even still fewer bullet choices, BUT a few nonetheless - not just one or two, but even better BCs yet than 7mm, and less recoil yet. Going down still further, the .257 roberts or .243 also still excellent general-purpose choices, but the bullet choices AND the BC optimization get less at .257 and down, not more like with the 6.5 mm, and the .243 starts getting down to where you might limit your game sizes, and shorten barrel life more significantly. I think the .260 Rem has a place and is therefore here to stay and a very good light rifle choice - it can be put in short actions, too.

BUT, with .308 you can do more things with the bullet choices, and have unity-of-ammo with your .308 battle rifle, buy cheaper surplus ammo, and do more weird stuff like using .30=>.22 sabots if that's your thing, so .308 good choice too. Now, 20 years ago (before I was into shooting), as I understand it, you could have also found .308 in any remote regions/ small gunshops, and people still cite this as a reason for the .308 (and it most certainly IS still a reason in the case of .270 Win and .30-'06). But wouldn't some of you that visit these remote places tell me that .308 is not always available in these remote locations, alongside .30-06 and .270 on the shelves? I dunno, but I suspect as much, given the (very surprising) lack of .308 ammo choices in the city gun shops around here, if at all! So it seems to me that what was ONCE an additional "pro" of .308 may no longer be in the pro column, that being its availability anywhere and everywhere. Seems to me, the choice comes down to this: For a general purpose, light, short action rifle, If you're going to be shooting a lot of surplus ammo or buying ammo off the shelf, get .308 or .243. If you're going to be re-loading most of your ammo, get a 7mm-08, .260 Rem, or .257 Roberts - my choice would be .260 rem.

In fact, it seems to me that for cartridge efficiencies/balances, not being too over bore or inefficient or unreasonably hard on the shoulder, for general purpose North American game rifles, one might argue that the ideals are these (or close to), particularly if you're into BCs for longer shots with less bullet drop:

1. Very light, short action rifle: .260 Rem (6.5 mm)
2. Longer-action, medium weight all-purpose rifle: .280Rem, 7x57 Mauser (7mm), or for a little more vel, a .270 Win (.277), with the .280 Rem being my choice, and having more bullet choices - 7mm bullets optimizes BCs at 168 grain boattails, or about 175 grain full-based.
3. Heavier ("magnum") rifles (for large game or longer ranges): .308 cartridges, with BCs optimizing with 190 grain bullets. .300 WinMag or one of the new short magnums being good choices.

But again, these are analyzed "in the lab" so to speak. Others with years of hands-on experience may have other (undoubtedly better) recommendations.

wanderinwalker
August 22, 2003, 08:57 PM
My opinion? :D If you reload, between the .260 Rem, 7mm-08 and the .308, you've got six of one, half a dozen of another and an equal amount with the remaining one.

Mine is a .260 Remington in the Mountain Rifle format. Accurate, easy to carry, easy to shoot, and plenty powerful for my needs. So far I have found that the best balance for this cartridge is with the 125-130 grain bullets. My favorite is the 125gr Nosler Partition, which I have yet to use on game, but I suspect that it will work well. I can drive this bullet to 2900 fps out of my 22" barrel, and achieve 1.5 MOA, 3 shot accuracy without much effort. Sure, 140gr Sierra GameKings group better (sub-MOA), but they come out the barrel at 2590 fps, which seems like a bad trade off. (300fps for 15grs of bullet weight and an extra .75" accuracy?) Not that I need the 2900 fps velocity around here (long shot = 50-60 yards), but I can have it, and I trust the Nosler to hold up to it.

Hopefully I'll be able to post a field-results report in a couple of months!

Gewehr98
August 22, 2003, 09:57 PM
Excellent ballistic coefficient, low recoil, fabled accuracy of the 6.5x55 combined with the efficiency of .308 Winchester. Fine for a short-action like a Remington 700 or even Model 7. Only drawback is if you already have a 7mm-08, it's pretty darned close... ;)

Art Eatman
August 22, 2003, 11:18 PM
:) The w.w. says, "My favorite is the 125gr Nosler Partition, which I have yet to use on game, but I suspect that it will work well. I can drive this bullet to 2900 fps out of my 22" barrel..."

Sounds very much like a short action .270, to me, and I've been told those are fairly effective.

:D, Art

WalkerTexasRanger
August 24, 2003, 09:05 AM
A buddy of mine has developed a 6.5PPC AR-15, scary accurate at long ranges. I agree, as posted above, the 6.5 or .260 is about to mushroom into something huge...

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