.30 cal 110 gr Speed JHP...


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David4516
June 6, 2008, 07:37 PM
Hey guys,

I just loaded up a batch of .30-30 winchester, decided to use 37gr of H335 and the cute little bullets from Speer. The 110gr JHPs with the flat nose.

I was just wondering if anyone else has used this particular bullet before, and what you thought of it. I'm assuming that it's not designed as a big game bullet (deer). But what about smaller game?

Any idea what kind of velocity this thing was designed to expand at? Some bullets don't like to be driven very fast so I'm wondering if my next batch should be a reduced load?

Thanks in advance

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djmac
June 6, 2008, 08:28 PM
I use130 grain speers and I love them,but I never loaded anything that light! I might give them a try for plinking.

ants
June 7, 2008, 02:15 AM
I haven't shot them over the chrono, but I find that load in the Lee manual.
It says max load of 38.0 grains will get you only 2600+ fps. So don't worry about velocity. Jacketed Speer HP can go 3000 or better and still perform.

1911user
June 7, 2008, 12:16 PM
It's designed for a maximum of 2000 fps and definitely not a deer bullet. I think it would work well on a coyote/dog or a person. It can be loaded to full power in a 30 carbine, but it's a reduced load in almost every other 30 caliber. The speer#11 data book has data for it. It has 2 cannelures, the front shallow one is for 30 carbine and the rear one is for larger 30 calibers.

David4516
June 9, 2008, 01:24 PM
I loaded these with the intention of using them to introduce my wife to the .30-30

Until now she's only shot .22s, a .410 shotgun, and a .223

I'm thinking that the lighter 110gr bullet will have less recoil than say a 150 or 170 would.

I might need to give the 130gr load a try too. At this point she has no plans to join me hunting, so it's just for plinking. I was just wondering if these lighter bullets would be suitable for anything else aside from plinking...

The Bushmaster
June 9, 2008, 01:59 PM
I have loaded 110 grain FBSP. Yes...I hand chambered each one. I got 2425 fps with 39 grains of W-748. Lyman lists a maximum of 41.0 grains which is a compressed load at 2600+ fps. I found them to be a bit arrent at the down range target (100 yards) in a Winchester 94 that did 3 rounds in a 3" dot at 100 yards with a 170 grain Speer FNSP...So I didn't pursue it farther. My .30-30 just wasn't going to be a varmint shooter...

Depending how recoil sensitive your wife is I didn't notice that much difference in recoil (maybe a bit less) then with my hunting loads.

David4516
February 22, 2013, 12:44 PM
Holy old threads Batman!

I was just looking at some of my older posts for fun and found this, and realized that I never followed up on it.

Anyway, my wife did not care for the 37gr of H335 / 110gr bullet receipe, still a little too much recoil for her. She has fibromyalgia and this makes her more sensative to recoil than most. She said that the .30-30 felt like it kicked a little more that here .410 shotgun. The .410 is about her limit in terms of recoil.

So anybody know of a way to make these 110gr rounds recoil either equal to, or lesser than, a .410 bore shotgun?

gamestalker
February 22, 2013, 02:17 PM
Are you referring to the TNT's? If so I've been loading them for 7mm RM for my varmint hunting needs and they are pretty impressive. They blow coyotes to pieces, like turning them inside out. But the Sierra 100 gr. HP's do the same thing, they're not really any different.

GS

David4516
February 22, 2013, 02:35 PM
This is what I'm talking about:

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/336780/speer-bullets-30-caliber-308-diameter-110-grain-jacketed-hollow-point-box-of-100

SHR970
February 22, 2013, 02:41 PM
That is easy...load them to 30 carbine velocity.

Use start level charges of one of the several powders listed. Even a start charge of H322 is listed for 2230 fps. in Speer #12 and that is the second fastest powder listed. You might be surprise what dropping 400-600 fps can do for recoil reduction with a 110 gr. bullet. These bullets expand very well at 1900-2000 fps.

Haxby
February 22, 2013, 03:26 PM
Google
Rocky’s Reloading Room The Universal .30 Load
10 grains of Unique.

41 Mag
February 23, 2013, 06:49 AM
If you have any H-4895 handy, I highly suggest looking at the Hornady site under Youth Loads.

I used them and the 125 gr Nosler BT, when my then just turned 3yr old grandson got it in his head he wanted to shoot himself a pig. The only rifle I had he could muster up himself was a Ruger Compact in .308. It weighs 6.5# with scope, sling and 5 rounds in it. I started at the bottom and have to say they were mouse farts to me. Of course they popped him pretty good since he might have only weighed about 40# dripping wet.

Once he figured out how to hold the rifle I couldn't keep enough loaded for him. The nice thing about that particular powder is that you can load from the very bottom listed Youth Load all the way through to the top end load listed in the standard load section.

Now the kid is 11 and has been using the standard factory loads for 5 or so years.

Look them over and if you have access to H4895 load up a few rounds and test them against your other load.

One other thing you might try is removing the butt plate and see if there is a hole in the stock. If so, you can put in some lead shot to aid in buffereing the recoil. I did this for my daughter when she was learing to shoot at around 6. I used one of those huge long thick party balloons to encapsulate the shot. I shoved it down in the hole with a dowel, then poured in the shot, and tied it off when it was full with a ty-wrap. Then I put the butt plate back on and went to town.

Hope this help.

David4516
February 25, 2013, 05:05 PM
Would a heavy lead bullet at even lower velocity have less recoil than a faster/lighter jacketed bullet I wonder?

Could I shoot something like this:

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/959561/meister-hard-cast-bullets-30-30-winchester-309-diameter-165-grain-lead-flat-nose-box-of-500

at .22LR velocity? Like 1200FPS or so?

My loading manuals have little to no information about shooting lead bullets in rifles. I have loaded lead in pistols before, but not rifle.

Could I load the above 165gr lead flat point with a pistol powder like Red-Dot or Bullseye?

At first I really liked the idea of the lighter jacketed bullet, but lead is cheaper anyway and I think I can shoot it slower and with less chance of getting it stuck in the barrel. So now I'm wondering if lead would be better for this job? Would I need a gas check?

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