What caliber for grizzlies? Large-bore brass..err..."musket" balls


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Lbys
June 7, 2008, 03:35 PM
This Canadian out-toughs just about anyone I've read about recently. No word on the caliber of rifle, but whatever it was, it pales in comparison to his own actions. Link:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/cbc/080606/canada/vancouver_bc_grizzly_attack_survivor

Man mauled by grizzly kills bear, lives to tell tale

A man from B.C.'s Interior not only survived being mauled by a grizzly - he killed the bear as well.

John Shorter, 38, was hiking near Dease Lake in Northern B.C. Tuesday when he said he smelled a bear in the area.

"I heard a woofing sound, turned, seen a grizz coming at me. I managed to get my rifle up and get one round into the chest.... At that point he got on top of me, obviously, and took me down," Shorter said. "He proceeded to try to maul me in the back of the scalp and on the neck, and I protected my neck with my hands. They got fairly chewed up."

The bear was biting at his hands, which were covering his neck, so he dropped his rifle. He scrambled to get it back, eventually putting some distance between himself and the bear.

He shot the animal a second time, this time killing it.

"You just put yourself in overdrive and try and not get yourself killed," Shorter said. "It's an amazing amount of adrenaline going through yourself.... You get lots of thoughts going through your mind but you think about, obviously, your family and it's worth living, so fight."

After killing the bear, Shorter picked up his rifle and staggered back to his vehicle.

"I got back in my pickup, grabbed a drink of water, got my thoughts straight. I noticed my shoulder was dislocated. I managed to pop it in myself and thought I'd better go and get some help," Shorter said.

He drove to the nearby community of Iskut for medical treatment.

Shorter escaped the attack with what he called minor injuries. He received 40 stitches, and suffered a broken hand and multiple puncture wounds.

"You know, if you're in that situation, all you can do is fight for all you got. I mean, I don't think I'm any different from anyone else," he said.

Shorter is still recovering at his home in Smithers. Conservation officials continue to investigate the attack.

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Eric F
June 7, 2008, 03:38 PM
Well for that I would take the best I have, the 50-90 sharps. For when it absolutely positively has to be killed on the first shot!

rcmodel
June 7, 2008, 03:41 PM
Yep!

Big balls are never a mistake when it comes to Grez!

rcmodel

Goblin
June 7, 2008, 04:00 PM
375 H&H!!! What'd I win????:)

Eric F
June 7, 2008, 04:07 PM
I trump your 375H&H with a 700 Nitro Express, as if 50-90 wasnt enough lol!

George C Morrison
June 7, 2008, 05:23 PM
A Marlin 1895G(or GS)Guide Gun in 45-70 with Randy Garrett's 415 grain Hammerhead load will put the Grizzly to sleep very quickly with one well placed round.
And a little easier on the shoulder than the 700 Nitro.:)

Tomcat47
June 7, 2008, 05:31 PM
George C Morrison.....You stole my thought!

Some things are just meant for certain things are they not!

LeonCarr
June 7, 2008, 05:34 PM
For that scenario, a Marlin 1895CB .45-70 (the cowboy model that holds like 9 rounds) loaded with Garrett Hammerheads or an extended tube Remington 870 loaded with Brennekes. Heavy slugs, rapidly fired and properly placed.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

George C Morrison
June 7, 2008, 05:58 PM
Some things are just meant for certain things are they not!


Great minds(?)thinking alike Tomcat!
A great pic of a great gun.I went to the safe and am now fondly looking at mine.Thank you for the inspiration.:)
Of all my rifles ,this is my favorite.

Waitone
June 7, 2008, 06:49 PM
Distance, y'all are forgetting the importance of distance; lots of distance.

Eric F
June 7, 2008, 07:13 PM
lets put an interesting twist to this, what would be the smallest caliber you would trust?

I pick a lever action 500 S&W Mag by wildwest guns.

George C Morrison
June 7, 2008, 08:02 PM
lets put an interesting twist to this, what would be the smallest caliber you would trust?


30.06,220 grain load with really fine shot placement.

Catherine
June 7, 2008, 10:05 PM
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41magsnub
June 7, 2008, 10:12 PM
Distance, y'all are forgetting the importance of distance; lots of distance.

A slower friend trumps distance!

MinnMooney
June 7, 2008, 10:17 PM
I noticed my shoulder was dislocated.

I really like those B.C.'rs... they're tougher than nails!!

Tomcat47
June 8, 2008, 09:07 PM
You know preparation is a big word when traveling through Grizzly country!

Adding the twist of the smallest caliber you would trust is a thought, so IF i went into Grizzly country unprepared and all I had was a .22 I would give him all I got!

Fred Bear woud have used a (recurve) Bow and Arrow and let him come on in to about 25 yards I suppose.

George C You are a Gentleman and a Scholar, as well as a wonderful Marlin enthusiast as I. Hats Off

TallPine
June 8, 2008, 09:57 PM
I've actually been through Dease Lake a couple times. The hiway wasn't paved back then - late 70s.

It was impressive that at the rest stops and campgrounds along the Cassiar, they had the garbage cans hanging in pairs on tall t-shaped posts. :uhoh:

Sebastian the Ibis
June 8, 2008, 10:19 PM
What about a taser in these situations? I've seen the video of one dropping a bull so I would think it had the stopping power, especially compared to anything as portable. However would it be able to penetrate the fur? Would it just make the bear angry? Thoughts?

Cosmoline
June 8, 2008, 10:25 PM
The only "taser" I know of that stopped a local brown bear was packing 5,000 raw volts:

http://www.mainehuntingtoday.com/electr2.jpg

That was at a local urban park in the middle of Anchorage. And if you'll notice, he never let go!

neviander
June 8, 2008, 10:33 PM
out-toughs just about anyone
How about having the bear lunge at you while holding a long spear? like on The Edge :D

Cosmoline
June 8, 2008, 10:37 PM
I was so rooting for the bear in that movie. Why do they give The Butler so many roles? I hate him. Not to mention he who shall not be named here. The evil Baldwin. And no U2 hits anywhere in sight.

Erik
June 8, 2008, 11:35 PM
Uh, you named him he who is not to be named here. The other's in the family don't count. :evil:

George C Morrison
June 8, 2008, 11:38 PM
George C You are a Gentleman and a Scholar, as well as a wonderful Marlin enthusiast as I. Hats Off

Well,that is a real compliment that I don't know if I deserve.
But thank you,sir!:)

esmith
June 8, 2008, 11:43 PM
lets put an interesting twist to this, what would be the smallest caliber you would trust?


.22 short. Killed me grizzlies and even up to hippos. I really trust my life with one of those.

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