[fastson]

.. and they dont fit. :(

These are said to fit the original caliber .44 Remington 1858.

Look at the difference.

The original to the right
http://pici.se/pictures/jbvuBVCSm.jpg

See the part where the spring is supposed to press down? Its much shorter on the new trigger, thus the spring does not reach the trigger and cant apply pressure.

http://pici.se/pictures/aTMJMMhGa.jpg

The hand is also a lot bigger compared to the original (bottom), however it might get the job done, I haven't fitted it yet.

http://pici.se/pictures/vRSRdELDC.jpg

The hammer looks close enough, right? Wrong! (original to the right)

http://pici.se/pictures/yquCMuCNR.jpg
Cant fit the hammer down inside the gun, the back part where the spring wheel is, is too thick! (original on top)

Also the springs look a little different, here is the trigger-cylinder-stop-spring.

http://pici.se/pictures/yipVVFeBc.jpg
http://pici.se/pictures/QrVudmuRM.jpg

But I guess it can be "fixed".

The reason I got the parts was to preserve the original parts when using the gun. Also I had a problem with the cylinder stop, it did not function properly (the first cock would not let the cylinder spin freely, instead it would lock).

Anyway, which of these parts can be "saved"? The trigger is a gonner I think.

[alsaqr]

Looks like those parts were made to be fitted by a gunsmith.

[fastson]

Well thats typical. I'll have to phone around then, not sure if they handle handguns where I live (small city).

Thanks alsaqr.

[Mike OTDP]

OK. Where did you get the parts from? They look like standard Italian repro parts...which are not entirely interchangable, as you have found out.

I'd talk to Bill Osborne at Lodgewood (lodgewood.com) for parts. Or S&S. Or Hege...the parts for the Army Match Maximum should work 4.0 in an original gun.

In any event, be very clear that you are looking for replacements for original components.

[Mike OTDP]

BTW, I would content myself with replacing the trigger spring. The rest of the components are fine...far better quality than most of the Italian stuff.

[fastson]

I got these parts from Peter Dyson & Son in the UK. Im in Sweden right now, so I had to import from the UK to avoid socialist tax tolls. The two times I ordered from Dixie I got slapped with import tax.

I believe these are the same parts Dixie Gun Works offers on their site under Parts - Original Handguns > Remington > .44 Army & .36 Navy

The article numbers match between the two sites.
Hammer HP0402
Trigger YP1517
Cylinder Stop MP1577

etc.

And they have separate sections for original handguns and reproductions.
But like you said Mike OTDP, these do look like reproduction parts.

[mykeal]

ANY replacement of parts on an original or replica bp percussion revolver will necessarily involve some hand fitting. That's how the originals were built, and that's how the replacements will need to be handled. What you are experiencing is no different than what people experienced in the late 1800's when they tried to repair the originals.

[fastson]

mykeal: Sure, I can buy that.. Like the cylinder stop, hand and the springs (I managed to fit the main spring with a little bending, so no problem there).

But the trigger is the wrong model, the area where the trigger/cylinder stop spring is supposed to apply pressure is too short.

The hammer can probably be fitted with a smaller wheel, and some filing. ;)

[scrat]

yep i agree. if the parts looked more similar then they could be made to fit. however the ones you have are just wrong. I could not imagine trying to make them fit when the holes drilled in them are to big. Then on some there is not enough metal as they seem to be smaller in the key areas. Heck it just might be better to take the parts to a machine shop and have them made

[Mike OTDP]

Within the EU, I would try Hege for parts.

[sundance44s]

There is no such thing as drop in fit parts ...there can`t be ..each gun is just a little different ....you can`t even order finished grips that will fit it . It`s time to learn a little kitchen table gunsmithing when you replace parts ...there`s enough help on this Forum to talk you through it .

[fastson]

Mike OTDP: Thanks, do you have a web-link? :)

sundance44s: Yes I was expecting some filing etc, but as you can see some parts look outright wrong. Trigger and maybe the hammer cause the wheel position if different (too far back).

But I'll do my best. :uhoh:

[Jamie C.]

Although I can agree that fitting new parts to a BP revolver is a process that requires a bit of gun smithing and fitting, I don't believe it should need as much work as the parts for Fastson's gun seem to indicate.

There's a certain tolerance that replacement parts should fall within, and to me, it seems those just don't make it for that particular revolver.

Yeah, he could weld a little extra on the trigger spring shelf of the trigger, and thin down the sear surface a bit... and also re-contour the back of the new hammer... and get everything to work. However, he could also just cut his own parts from stock too.

Which defeats the whole purpose of ordering parts for a particular gun.



J.C.

[sundance44s]

I should have mentioned ..if you ordered these parts from DixieGunworks the Trigger spring will be too short on a Pietta made Remington or an Original NMA ..The Dixie Trigger spring will only fit the EuroArms Remmie or early 1858 Beals ..if your barrel reads 1858 NM or NMA it`s the larger frame I have an Original and the Pietta parts fit mine ...it`s best to order these parts from VTI because they list the parts for Pietta , Uberti and ASM Remingtons ...The Pietta parts can be made to fit the EuroArms Remmie ..but not the other way around ...the trigger Dixie sells it too long even for a Pietta , I bought one of those too from Dixie and had to dremel it down quite a bit to install it in a Euro Remmie ..so much so that I had to temper it when I got through fitting .
Also that new hammer looks like the one that comes on a new Uberti forged frame Remington ..again ..I like DixieGunWorks ..but for these small pistol parts VTI is always been my best bet they aren`t listing parts for Originals like Dixie does but some of the screws are the only repro parts that won`t work in an Original Remmie.
Another thing Cabelas sells a parts kit for the 1858 Remington too ..it has all the parts you are needing and a better price ..something like 24 bucks for the kit...and these parts will fit the larger framed Remmies.