Arnold interviewed by Playboy, includes guns
Kharn
August 22, 2003, 05:10 PM
Alright, I know the site this is from isnt very High-Roadish (if the mods feel its too racy, please delete it), but it has a very interesting snippet of an interview of Arnold:
Snippet: http://www.playboy.com/features/features/arnold/guncontrol.html this link is currently clean, with no nudity or sexually provocative themes (except a beer banner with a few fully clothed people)
Article main page: http://www.playboy.com/features/features/arnold/ NOT SO CLEAN!
ON GUN CONTROL:
PLAYBOY: Although your movies have plenty of gore, they don't have much sex. And your character rarely has a love interest. Is that deliberate?
SCHWARZENEGGER: I have a love interest in every one of my films -- a gun. [Laughs] It doesn't always have to be a woman. That's boring. Besides, you have to understand: In most action movies, women are in the way.
PLAYBOY: What about the kinds of characters you play -- terminators, eliminators, commandos? Do you think the message they send is that violence is heroic?
SCHWARZENEGGER: No, because the bad guys do worse. My characters just defend themselves. The message that is sent is to be strong and to be smart and to rely on yourself to get out of danger, to save your own life.
Look, you've had assassinations before now. Presidents were shot before Reagan and Kennedy, before there was television or radio. You can't say what puts a crazy idea in a crazy mind. It's easy to blame a movie rather than to blame yourself. Which is what parents are doing.
Another thing about these reports that come out: They can be interpreted how you want. Many movies reflect what is happening in society and are taken from real stories. Maybe showing that is helpful, because it makes people know what can happen to them if they kill someone.
But the newspapers and news media are much more sensational. There was violence on the California freeways before, but now everyone's doing a story on it.
PLAYBOY: So you think the press is at fault?
SCHWARZENEGGER: In the case of the California freeway killers, I think the big mistake is that people keep guns in their glove compartments. The deal with that is, when you have a permit, you're always supposed to keep your ammunition and your gun separate, so if you get emotional, by the time you get your gun from the glove compartment and your ammunition out of your trunk, you have a chance to cool down.
But the bad thing about all this is that it makes people think that we have to eliminate guns.
PLAYBOY: And you don't think so?
SCHWARZENEGGER: Outlawing guns is not the right method of eliminating the problem. If you outlaw guns, people will still have them illegally. In Europe, they're outlawed everywhere. They have very strict gun control in Italy. Yet the Pope was shot. They have very strict gun control in Germany. Yet you see pimps shooting one another. Politicians have been shot in Sweden and Holland, where guns are outlawed.
I don't know how you handle this. I'm no expert.
Opinions?
Kharn
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garrettwc
August 22, 2003, 05:22 PM
In regards to what he says about the movies, what would you expect. He's not going to bite the hand that feeds him. Disregard that section.
Let's take a look at these statements:
Outlawing guns is not the right method of eliminating the problem. If you outlaw guns, people will still have them illegally. In Europe, they're outlawed everywhere. They have very strict gun control in Italy. Yet the Pope was shot. They have very strict gun control in Germany. Yet you see pimps shooting one another. Politicians have been shot in Sweden and Holland, where guns are outlawed.
Good common sense answer. At least he's thinking.
In the case of the California freeway killers, I think the big mistake is that people keep guns in their glove compartments. The deal with that is, when you have a permit, you're always supposed to keep your ammunition and your gun separate, so if you get emotional, by the time you get your gun from the glove compartment and your ammunition out of your trunk, you have a chance to cool down.
So a little gun control is OK if it's for a good reason?
I don't know how you handle this. I'm no expert.
A true statement, and an escape clause. He didn't take a position on either side of the argument. I think it's just political posturing at this point.
That's my humble opinion. Anyone else.
seeker_two
August 22, 2003, 05:29 PM
That interview was done in 1988. He's had some time to think about ALL those issues...
I'd like to see what he says NOW... :scrutiny:
Kharn
August 22, 2003, 05:55 PM
Whoops, I didnt see the small print saying it was from 1988.
Kharn
Don Gwinn
August 22, 2003, 07:01 PM
Assuming that he's referring to CCW "permits," isn't he wrong about those? Or was it different in 1988?
Blain
August 22, 2003, 08:13 PM
I find this quote more telling.
SCHWARZENEGGER: In the case of the California freeway killers, I think the big mistake is that people keep guns in their glove compartments.
So he doesn't want to get rid of most guns, niether do most Dems.....they are just for some "reasonable" forms of gun control.
Vern Humphrey
August 22, 2003, 08:20 PM
"SCHWARZENEGGER: In the case of the California freeway killers, I think the big mistake is that people keep guns in their glove compartments"
He's right -- keep your gun on your person, and make sure you can access it quickly.
Zundfolge
August 22, 2003, 08:33 PM
The deal with that is, when you have a permit, you're always supposed to keep your ammunition and your gun separate, so if you get emotional, by the time you get your gun from the glove compartment and your ammunition out of your trunk, you have a chance to cool down.
Translation: You common folk are too stupid/unstable to be trusted with firearms.
Outlawing guns is not the right method of eliminating the problem. If you outlaw guns, people will still have them illegally. In Europe, they're outlawed everywhere. They have very strict gun control in Italy. Yet the Pope was shot. They have very strict gun control in Germany. Yet you see pimps shooting one another. Politicians have been shot in Sweden and Holland, where guns are outlawed.
I don't know how you handle this. I'm no expert.
Translation: I know better then take a stand because I'll piss off my fans (update for today by replacing "fans" with "voters")
Standing Wolf
August 22, 2003, 09:24 PM
...when you have a permit, you're always supposed to keep your ammunition and your gun separate, so if you get emotional, by the time you get your gun from the glove compartment and your ammunition out of your trunk, you have a chance to cool down.
What a stupid idea! The point of carrying is to be ready right this instant.
Hk Paul
August 22, 2003, 10:08 PM
I think Ahnold may be pro gun, but hes trying to hide it a little, because after all, hes running for california.
Sean Smith
August 22, 2003, 10:23 PM
Arnold is, indeed, running in California... not Texas. He wouldn't be running if he wanted to lose. Ergo, he either (a) makes some gun-control noises to get elected, but doesn't believe them, or (b) makes some gun-control noises to get elected, and does belive them. If you want the wool, you feed the sheep.
Meanwhile, in Texas, our democrats pretend to be more pro-gun than most republicans elsewhere... :D
larryw
August 22, 2003, 10:26 PM
Yeah Sean, when they're not hiding in NM or OK. :D
4v50 Gary
August 22, 2003, 11:24 PM
If we were to have no new gun laws because of Arnold, that at least would be some sort of victory. Now, if we can repeal that AW registration so the dark ones can return.
JShirley
August 23, 2003, 01:51 AM
Read a recent interview with Ahnuld (don't remember the mag, sorry), where he said he collects weaponry- such as rocket launchers- from his movies.
I have heard that 'ole beefcake is anti-gun, and his quoted statements here are not nearly as protective of our rights as I would like, but can someone show or explain where he has been definitely anti-gun ownership?
John
PeteyPete
August 23, 2003, 03:44 AM
JShirley, your right...
In a Stuff Magazine interview he admits that he has a large collection of machine guns, pistols, rifles, and other weaponry from every movie he's made. I wish someone would call him on this fact.
I bet (actually hope) that he is just pandering to the brainwashed California public who's fear of guns is based on Hollywood stereotypes and fear of armed minorities. He knows he'll never get elected in Commiefornia on a policy of "machine guns for all".
KRAUTGUNNER
August 23, 2003, 05:13 AM
Arnie is WRONG!
Guns are NOT outlawed in most of Europe!!!
Not in Italy, Germany, Holland and Sweden.
Only "Great" Britain has banned a lot of firearms types.
It is "only" rather hard to get them, because of the ****ing bureaucracy. :fire: :cuss: :banghead: :barf:
Sergeant Bob
August 23, 2003, 05:31 AM
If they are correct, the likely next governor of California may be ... Conan the Barbarian, actor Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Conservatives dissent. Schwarzenegger is pro-gay rights, pro-choice on abortion and pro-gun control, and called the impeachment of Bill Clinton a Republican disgrace. How, then, conservatives ask, could the Terminator win enough GOP support to be elected?
Pat Buchannon
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YR: Some critics argue that in your movies, there's a lot of violence and killing...you smoke cigars. So how can you be a role model for kids with this kind of example?
AS: That's a good question. But that question, you cannot ask me. Because I don't pick myself as the role model. You can't pick yourself. You can't say, this is what I want to do: I want to smoke stogies and do things to be a role model. The role model is picked by youth. You kids are the ones that admire me. You kids are the ones that see my movies. You kids are the ones that say, "This is really cool, Arnold with his muscles. I like his bodybuilding. I'm going to watch pumping iron.''
It's the kids that do it. They think it's cool when you have a stogie in the mouth. So when I go on the talk shows, I always tell the kids: don't smoke. Because what I do, I do to make it part of my character. It's an image thing. And the movies, with the gun in my hand? I don't run around every day with a gun in my hand. So I want kids to understand the difference: one is make-believe, like we do in movies. But in reality, I'm for gun control. I'm a peace-loving guy. I hate violence amongst the young kids.
Youthradio.org
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AS PRESIDENT OF the Huntington Harbor Republican Women’s Club, Christiana has collected hundreds of signatures demanding the recall of Democratic Gov. Gray Davis. But her vote, Christiana says, may well go to a pro-choice, pro-gun-control immigrant whose signature issue is public funding for after-school programs. “I’m not the kind to accept a moderate,” she says. “But Arnold Schwarzenegger has the best chance to win.”
MSNBC.com
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He said that he was not abandoning the idea of running for office as a Republican, but was only postponing his plunge into politics until his four children, ages 3 to 11, are older, the Times said Wednesday.
The Austrian-born former bodybuilder shares moderate views on gun control and abortion rights that match those of most California voters.
News Tribune
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Billll
August 23, 2003, 09:12 AM
He may not know much about the gun issue in great detail, but look at the way he's been surrounding himself with experts, even to the point of reining in Warren Buffet. He obviously needs a fair and balenced advisor on guns. I suggest all you folks in CA start writing his campaign and tout the virtues of some knowlwdgeable and reasonable (use those words?) person, like Jim March.
:evil:
Gary H
August 23, 2003, 10:12 AM
Arnold is a shooter. He shoots guns and doesn't just collect them. This is per someone that has known him for many years. Now, many hunters are for donkey style gun control, believing that their arms would be safe. I'm not stating that Arnold hunts. I'm just pointing out that owning and shooting guns doesn't mean that you have a common sense approach to guns. I think that we have seen this with regards to many of the elite politicians and actors.
waterdog
August 24, 2003, 12:18 AM
Since he aint no expert, he needs to get hooked up with Professor Lott.
waterdog
Sludge
August 24, 2003, 01:00 AM
True dat Waterdog!
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