Took two Chinese guys shooting


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Rosstradamus
June 11, 2008, 12:58 AM
Two men from my company's assembly plant in Shenzhen, China visited the office this past week. Call them Ming and Ping. Ming is from the mainland. Ping is originally from Taiwan. Once the workweek ended my coworkers Bud and Jack invited them to go shooting at the private gun club where Bud is a member. Ming and Ping accepted at once. Since I did such a good job with the visitors from Large Japanese Conglomerate in January, I was once again the photographer.

While he and I waited in the dining room for the others to arrive, Bud pointed out the doctor who performed Historical Figure's autopsy and another guy who is the reigning world champion at something or other involving a shotgun. Very swank. I could smell the money from the parking lot.

Ping had done a mandatory two years in the army back in Taiwan and was somewhat familiar with firearms although he complained about being restricted to a BB gun in China. Ming had never been shooting before. After a safety and nomenclature lesson from Jack, we went to one of the club's many skeet stations. Jack gave them a lesson, explaining how to stand, how to hold the gun properly, how to track the clay, and so on. Ming and Ping picked it up pretty quickly. Using Bud's 20 gauge Beretta, Ming hit three in a row once, then four in a row. Not bad for his first time even holding a gun. Ping had plenty of hits too.

After about an hour and half of shotgunning, we went to the pistol range. Bud had brought a Glock 23 (.40 caliber) and a 1911 (.45 of course). I brought my Browning Hi-Power (9 mm). Bud gave a pistol demonstration, then turned it over to our guests. Ping picked it up pretty quickly. Ming was shooting low at first, but he got better as he went along though and was soon hitting just under the bull. We then had them each shoot a target "for the record" to take with them. We had also swiped a couple of clays from the skeet range for them to take home.

I then took photos of Ming and Ping posing with the pistols. Ping had a smile a mile wide on his face. As Ming posed with a Glock in one hand and a 1911 in the other he yelled, "FBI!" Yes, I know holding a Glock and a 1911 at the same time is like bringing matter and anti-matter together, but we were smashing conventions at every step. By the way, everyone preferred my Hi-Power to Bud's Glock and 1911. Even Bud.

All those people who always advise starting a beginner off with a .22 should note that neither Ming nor Ping had ever shot a pistol before, and we started them off with a .40 and immediately went straight to a .45 after that. They did fine. Neither one said a peep about the recoil or the noise. They just rolled with it. I corrected the positioning of Ming's left hand (he kept grabbing his wrist) but otherwise they both fell into natural stances and shot pretty well, especially Ping. He could put five shots in an area the width of a softball from seven yards, no problem.

I had brought a selection of rifles with me, figuring Ming and Ping would like to pose with them, even though we wouldn't be shooting them. When I asked Ming if he'd like to see them, he asked if he could have his picture taken holding one. Did I have him pegged or what? He and Ping each posed with an AR-15, an FAL Para and an M1 Garand. Ming was beaming. While holding the AR-15, Ping said no one back in China would believe it was a real rifle. They'd insist it was an airgun or toy.

The irony of two men from what I still catch myself calling Red China posing for pictures with the premier Western arms of the twentieth century - and enjoying it so - was making it difficult for me to concentrate on my photography.

Ming said, "You are lucky in Texas. You can have guns." He said that two or three times. He asked me lots of questions about gun ownership. How many can you own? Do you need a permit? He was well and truly bitten by the shooting bug and wanted to know everything.

Someone remarked that now everyone at the factory will want to come visit.

Don't ask me to post pictures. I don't have Ming or Ping's permission, and I doubt the wisdom of showing their faces in any case. The PRC is still a communist dictatorship, and I don't want to take chances with someone else's life.

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H088
June 11, 2008, 01:01 AM
Hey thats cool, its up to the people in America to make sure that right of its citizens to keep fire-arms never gets destroyed.

orionengnr
June 11, 2008, 01:06 AM
Great post.
Great job.

You are an ambassador for the US and for the shooting sports.

General Geoff
June 11, 2008, 01:26 AM
Those who don't have the freedom to do something tend not to take it for granted when they can.

It seems like an interesting trend with foreigners and guns.

Picard
June 11, 2008, 01:40 AM
Awesome job. Score two more for the team. Keep em coming!

siglite
June 11, 2008, 01:48 AM
I agree with orionengnr. Great ambassadorship. I do not often have the chance to introduce foreigners to shooting. However, I try to do my best to be as good an ambassador as you have, right here in the US with antis or neutral folks.

ByAnyMeans
June 11, 2008, 02:59 PM
good job, it never hurts to have more on our side no matter what country they live in.

3KillerBs
June 11, 2008, 03:01 PM
Wonderful story.

bandur60
June 11, 2008, 03:44 PM
I've gotten to do similar introductions with several college acquaintances of my daughter, most notable were two from Germany. She was a 4-H shooter, but interest went down when away for school. Her explanation/attitude to them was, "Dad will probably think you would like to go shooting while you're there, so you can humor him if you want." IF THEY WANT???? You know what a ****-eatin' grin is? What you get after some familiarization and they pull off a full mag in an AR-15 and turn around to look at you after it's empty!

I'll get to do it again next month
when she and her BF/fiance from Germany are here; I've spoken with him but we've not met yet. Air rifle---> air pistol---> .22 rifle---> pistol--> .223 bolt rifle, then he can go on from there if he wants. But I'm betting he won't be bored, whatcha think?


I don't think any of them had/have ever shot anything before (maybe airguns,) and I'm just plain tickled to be the one who gets to "introduce" them.

Standing Wolf
June 11, 2008, 04:54 PM
He was well and truly bitten by the shooting bug and wanted to know everything.


Like curiosity, freedom is infectious.

ZombieHunter
June 11, 2008, 10:25 PM
That's an awesome story. I especially enjoyed all the descriptions of people...those really made me laugh. :)

Hk91-762mm
June 11, 2008, 10:52 PM
wan shang hao .Ni hao Ma -!!!
Your story is wonderfull!
I am setting in a 5 Star hotel in Nanning china and My fiance is telling our dinner mates That I own GUNS..WOoooo The look on there faces -YOU own guns ---Why Yes I do many.. Oh you are so lucky they said ..[ Every person at the table is a party member Including my fiance ]
I told them When You come visit us I will take you all out shooting . I was greeted with Much happiness and good feelings .
My Fiance -Now wife was tought to shoot an SKS in college .
As to starting them with 22 --NNaaa My wife is Impervious to recoil and her friends are too. Muzzle blast is another thing Make shure they have Muffs and ear plugs .
I have tossed about the idea of retireing to china and securing the rights to open a TRAP shooting Range -catering to the Now up comming and rich chinese Eleate. I do beleave it could be done.
We have many Friends who are from china and almost all of them like the shooting sports And all are happy to have someone take them to the range .
Heres a pic of my favorite commie Party member :)
Zia jian!
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q81/randy762ak/momsb-dayparty047.jpg

Orthonym
June 11, 2008, 11:07 PM
Cute gal, nice grin.

I must, however, ask you how many synthetic leopards died in the making of that picture!

P.s. Glad to see that she understands Rule 4.

Orthonym
June 11, 2008, 11:10 PM
Rule THREE, dammit. Preview is my friend, preview is my friend...

Kind of Blued
June 11, 2008, 11:21 PM
The synthetic leopards joke made up for your short-lived error. ;)

Excellent story! It makes me proud to be one of the Americans who is aware of his freedoms, enjoys exercising them, and does something to preserve them.

thegriz
June 12, 2008, 10:58 AM
Took two Chinese guys shooting

It sounds like the 1st line of a joke. Really.

This is a great thread and kudos to you for taking those guys shooting and sharing your story. So many people love shooting and just don't know it yet!

It's fun to be the one who gives them the opportunity to find out.

CountGlockula
June 12, 2008, 12:59 PM
Great job!

Ming said, "You are lucky in Texas. You can have guns."

We should be very fortunate to live in this country.

MD_Willington
June 12, 2008, 01:10 PM
The Chinese engineers I work with all took mandatory training with a SKS rifle, a couple were trained on the Type 56 AK.

One of them wants to go out shooting with us next time we all go, I suggested we go to the indoor range in Idaho.

Professor Gun
June 12, 2008, 02:57 PM
A few years ago we had some Japanese physical therapists here for a three day course. Apparently the moment they arrived they started asking where the gun range was. Because I was known to have guns, I was asked to take them out shooting.

There were 6 of them, two spoke fluent English. I took along a couple of friends familiar with guns to help out on the range. We started with .22 pistols and worked our way up, lots of smiles all around and lots of pictures with the guns and during shooting. When I brought out the .44 magnum S & W, several of those who were not good with English immediately exclaimed "Dirty Harry" with big smiles on their faces. Then everyone had to pose with the "Dirty Harry" gun. Despite lack of experience with guns, all were very safety conscious and aware. We all had a great time.

06
June 12, 2008, 03:08 PM
Bet they would go "ga ga" over the Casulls and 50s out now. wc

HB
June 12, 2008, 03:17 PM
Ni Hao. Nimem shou Zhongwen Ma?

I should have taken a few Chinese exchange students shooting.:banghead:
China is changing rapidly but it still has many problems like when one of the students tried to explain to me why the Tienamen Square massacre was a hoax made by the US government.....



HB

feedthehogs
June 12, 2008, 04:44 PM
As Ming posed with a Glock in one hand and a 1911 in the other he yelled, "FBI!"

I see they've been watching too many American propaganda movies.

pyle
June 12, 2008, 05:08 PM
That is really cool. When I was in college I knew a couple of guys from Malaysia. They were totally blown away by the fact that I could hunt, own guns and go shooting. The really wanted me to take them hunting be we all graduated before I could set something up. They told me that in some places in their country - Malaysia - you could be put to death for being caught with a firearm. But it was awesome to see the excitement in their eyes when I told them about my guns and some past hunting trips. I really wish I could have taken them hunting - great guys.

XDKingslayer
June 12, 2008, 05:47 PM
Mandatory 2 years in the military...

God how I wish this country would do that.

Tyris
June 12, 2008, 06:24 PM
Mandatory 2 years in the military...
God how I wish this country would do that.

Some of us have better things to do with our lives than waste them as government slaves for 2 years.

-T

CBS220
June 12, 2008, 06:30 PM
Some of us have better things to do with our lives than waste them as government slaves for 2 years.

While I realize that you are trying your damnedest to come off as funny and scathing, most soldiers would probably take abrasion at being referred to as "government slaves".

Tyris
June 12, 2008, 06:35 PM
I know you're trying to come up with a quick comeback, but you failed to read the original statement in context.

Most soldiers in this country are not there against their will. They're volunteers.

Make military service mandatory and you've got indentured servants for 2 years. Basically government slaves, as they have no free will about enlistment.

-T

CBS220
June 12, 2008, 07:20 PM
I know you're trying to come up with a quick comeback, but you failed to read the original statement in context.

Most soldiers in this country are not there against their will. They're volunteers.

Make military service mandatory and you've got indentured servants for 2 years. Basically government slaves, as they have no free will about enlistment.

You failed to make the distinction in your original post, despite the context of the discussion.

Are citizens of Switzerland and Israel also slaves? Not to mention all the other countries with mandatory military service?

While I do not support mandatory military service, your statement could easily be seen as offensive by those who are in the service.

Many people read this board, and statements can be easily seen out of context... and yours was quite ambiguous, and could easily be read as saying that soldiers are government slaves... particularly considering the prevalence of "forced" militia duty in many countries.

Tyris
June 12, 2008, 07:38 PM
You failed to make the distinction in your original post, despite the context of the discussion.

Then read it again, I quoted his original post.

Are citizens of Switzerland and Israel also slaves? Not to mention all the other countries with mandatory military service?

Yes, anyone forced into military service against their own will is a slave. Why did you forget to include North Korea, they're big on military slavery too.

While I do not support mandatory military service, your statement could easily be seen as offensive by those who are in the service.

Perhaps they should grow a thicker skin then? If they're volunteers, then they have no reason to be offended, if they're there against their own will they might nod in agreement as they probably have better things to do with their lives than be someone elses pawn.

Many people read this board, and statements can be easily seen out of context... and yours was quite ambiguous, and could easily be read as saying that soldiers are government slaves... particularly considering the prevalence of "forced" militia duty in many countries.

I dont see any ambiguity in my statements. Let me recap for you incase we're still not on the same page:

my position is:
forced military service = enslavement.

Just because it is prevalent does not make it any less about enslavement.

-T

dastardly-D
June 12, 2008, 08:09 PM
:banghead:
I would carry the two year mandantory military and connect it to the right to vote.Too many sheeple in this country run their mouth and have all of ''their rights'' earned and protected by the military.If you don't put your self on the line, why should you be enjoying all the fruits of this country ? Yeah,I know,too harsh...........

NWHick
June 12, 2008, 08:11 PM
I can't help but think that if your rights were earned (by service) that more people would not take them for granted.

Tyris
June 12, 2008, 08:16 PM
Too many sheeple in this country run their mouth and have all of ''their rights'' earned and protected by the military.

This is one of my favorite lies.

Rights are inherent. In this country they are infringed by, and under constant threat from law making bodies of the government (federal, state and local), and the infringement is carried out by police and courts as penalties (tax, fines, jail, etc).

To protect those rights you have to fight for them at the ballot box and in the courts, by stopping and overturning unjust laws.

The military plays no role in protecting my rights as a US citizen, as my rights are not under any peril from any foreign state. If the military was REALLY protecting my rights in the US, they'd be shooting anti-freedom and anti-rights lawmakers in the head when they try to pass any anti-freedom laws. They'd also be shooting police in the head for enforcing those anti-freedom laws. Since I've never seen any military acting to defend free speech or freedom to bear arms, or right to remain silent, etc, etc, I'll conclude they don't have any great role in preservation of rights in the modern US. Perhaps the last time they did was in the civil war or american revolution.

-T

Tyris
June 12, 2008, 08:17 PM
I can't help but think that if your rights were earned (by service) that more people would not take them for granted.

Another lie. Service does not grant you rights. Rights are inherent, but frequently infringed upon by government.
Military service does not even protect rights in the US.

I do not take my rights for granted, hence why I understand the difference between freedom and mandatory government slavery.

-T

pyle
June 12, 2008, 08:36 PM
I dont see any ambiguity in my statements. Let me recap for you incase we're still not on the same page:

my position is:
forced military service = enslavement.

Just because it is prevalent does not make it any less about enslavement.

So, would you argue that "forcing" our kids to go to school is also enslavement? Not trying to be cute - just curious.

Tyris
June 12, 2008, 08:58 PM
So, would you argue that "forcing" our kids to go to school is also enslavement? Not trying to be cute - just curious.

No, they are minors, plus they can drop out at 16.

When grown adults are forced into military service, that is slavery.

-T

308sc
June 12, 2008, 09:13 PM
how did this argument start in a "Took two Chinese guys shooting" thread?

dastardly-D
June 12, 2008, 11:44 PM
You are a real beauty ! I guess when you need help on the streets ,neighborhood or highway,you yell ''help,help,jitterbug come help me''. You're in it just to start crap.... You're not worthy of anymore of my attention...........

zoom6zoom
June 13, 2008, 12:02 AM
Let's get this thread back on track before it gets locked up.

So, did the Chinese guys bring their own lead?

MutinousDoug
June 13, 2008, 12:18 AM
Thank you for your service. Such as it is. Which is NOTHING. So thx for nothing, Tyris. This country owes you nothing. YOU owe a lot to the people who have served.

Orange_Magnum
June 13, 2008, 12:18 AM
Before I moved to Florida from socialistic Sweden I pictured myself buying a Dirty Harry .44 magnum revolver. Once in Florida, two rounds from a Raging Bull made me rethink. The .357 magnum became my choice.

I have a recurring fantasy. In it the socialists themselves, both the politicians and their voters, see everything collaps around them in Sweden, and so they come floating on make-shift wooden rafts over the Atlantic for a better life. The politicians proudly call out, "We come with socialism!" But there I am, standing on a beach in Florida. I pick them, one by one floating a hundred yards out in the sea. The shots are controlled, well-aimed, all striking between the eyes. I speak out aloud while reloading, "America must remain free..." The sea is soiled red and I'm fine with that.

Stevie-Ray
June 13, 2008, 01:23 AM
Wow.

Thernlund
June 13, 2008, 01:43 AM
Some of us have better things to do with our lives than waste them as government slaves for 2 years.

As soon as I read that on page one, I knew immediately what was coming on page two. Good grief.

On topic... that's a great story. I hope I have a similar opportunity one day.


-T.

Tyris
June 13, 2008, 07:20 PM
You are a real beauty ! I guess when you need help on the streets ,neighborhood or highway,you yell ''help,help,jitterbug come help me''. You're in it just to start crap.... You're not worthy of anymore of my attention...........

What on earth makes you think I'd call them for anything other than getting a ticket number for an insurance claim?

Its laughable to think they'd be there when I need them. I prepare for my own emergencies, and do not count on police to save the day. That is not their responsibility as demonstrated by numerous court cases. Their primary duty is maintenance of the status quo, and revenue collection. Thats it.

-T

Tyris
June 13, 2008, 07:30 PM
So thx for nothing, Tyris. This country owes you nothing. YOU owe a lot to the people who have served.

I dont expect anything from any country. I dont collect welfare, I dont expect social security to be around when I retire.

I owe ex-military nothing as I paid their salary via my taxes, that is enough.

I see this military worship on gunboards a lot for some reason. I don't understand why, its just a job, they are just government employees, most do it for a few years and then move on to better things. I owe them about as much as I owe the guys at the DMV or post office. I treat them all with respect, but certainly not hero worship.

-T

Sistema1927
June 13, 2008, 08:23 PM
Took two Chinese guys shooting

It sounds like the 1st line of a joke. Really.

Just what I was thinking, maybe something like: "And they fought among themselves to be the target holder."

Bada-bing!

Tyris
June 13, 2008, 09:11 PM
its all fun and games until someone pokes the conscript's eye out...

http://www.cybersalt.org/cl_images/1zzzzxa/m/militarycomplaining.jpg

-T

Rosstradamus
June 13, 2008, 09:31 PM
Ni hao, y'all.

It sounds like the 1st line of a joke. Really.

That was intentional.

XDKingslayer, if you want to campaign for the draft, start your own thread.

Tyris, I blame you for taking the bait. How about you and XDKingslayer PM'ing each other and getting out of my thread?

CBS220, dastardly-D, NWHick, et al., join them.

So, did the Chinese guys bring their own lead?

No, but we got to expense it. The company paid. How cool is that?

esmith
June 13, 2008, 09:33 PM
Rule THREE, dammit. Preview is my friend, preview is my friend...

Order doesn't matter in this case, so why the hell does it make a damn difference.

scrat
June 13, 2008, 09:57 PM
Ok back to the original post. That is pretty cool. Sound like you did a pretty good job.

benEzra
June 13, 2008, 11:08 PM
I had a roommate from Taiwan one semester. My other roommate and I took him to a local shooting range, as he had always wanted to shoot a Colt Python in .357 magnum. We rented one--he had never shot a gun before--and he bought a box of .357 ammo. Went over the rules of gun safety, showed him how to work it, and he did fantastic. HUGE grin after the first shot, that stayed on his face the whole time we were there.

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