The Victory Act...again


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Sergeant Bob
August 23, 2003, 06:19 AM
Beware of VICTORY Act, Privacy Group Warns (http://www.townhall.com/news/politics/200308/NAT20030818c.shtml)

(CNSNews.com) - A consumer watchdog group is sounding an alarm over legislation that hasn't even been introduced yet.


The National Consumer Coalition's Privacy Group recently read a draft copy of the VICTORY Act, which "has some chilling implications for consumer privacy," the group said.


VICTORY stands for Vital Interdiction of Criminal Terrorist Organizations Act of 2003.


Attorney General John Ashcroft plans to promote both the VICTORY Act and the USA PATRIOT Act on his ten-day, 20-stop tour of America, which begins on Tuesday, Aug. 19.


According to the NCC's Privacy Group, the VICTORY legislation is "a grab-bag of enhanced police-state powers."


For example, the group says, one section of the bill gives the Attorney General the power to issue "administrative subpoenas" in investigations stemming from an extremely broad definition of "terrorism." (According to NCC, an "administrative subpoena" is like a search warrant automatically issued by the clerk of court, except there's no need to have a judge sign off on it.)


The NCC Privacy Group says that under the VICTORY Act, the Justice Department would have the power to subpoena consumer data from a business.


"Section 504 specifically mentions subpoenaing consumer records from telecommunication companies, Internet service providers, and financial service firms such as banks," the group said in a press release.


The NCC says other provisions of the bill would nullify consumer-business privacy contracts, by allowing companies to ignore privacy agreements with consumers and still be immune to civil litigation by customers.


The VICTORY Act supposedly will be subject to revision over the August recess, the NCC Privacy Group notes. The group says it will be watching closely when the VICTORY Act is introduced later this year.
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Here's a Link (http://www.libertythink.com/VICTORYAct.pdf) to a supposed draft of the act. :what:

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c_yeager
August 23, 2003, 07:57 AM
They need to make 1984 required reading in schools again. Just the idea of NAMING it the "victory act" shows major ignorance and sends chills down my spine.

Tamara
August 23, 2003, 08:47 AM
You gotta hand it to whoever is doing the monkeywrenching in the bowels of this administration.

First the delightful Homeland Security and TIA logos, now the boldly Orwellian title to this latest steaming pile of legislation. Will my giggles never end?

Futo Inu
August 23, 2003, 10:35 AM
"Executive subpeonas"? OMG - that is unconstitutional - to have the AG rubber-stamp things that would otherwise require a magistrate's decision. Ashcroft is a freakin Nazi, pure and simple. Gawd I hate that sorry excuse for a politician, pro-2A or not. Beginning to really despise Shrub too for this crap.

tyme
August 23, 2003, 01:32 PM
The executive subpoena looks like the worst part (there's some other bad stuff, like withdrawing money for the purpose of a crime is now a crime itself... they call it "reverse money laundering"). Look for charges of "reverse money laundering" any time anyone withdraws more than 10k in cash - they must be up to no good... just follow them and wait for them to commit a federal crime, then you get that conviction plus the conviction for withdrawing more than 10k... and good luck showing the money had nothing to do with the crime. If nothing else, it might have been getaway money.

Next year they'll probably make "consuming oxygen in or affecting interstate commerce during the commission of a crime" a crime. Good luck showing the oxygen you breathe doesn't affect interstate commerce.

What they really goofed with is the name. What were they thinking?

Delmar
August 23, 2003, 01:43 PM
Your papers, please:cuss: :fire: :evil:

ojibweindian
August 23, 2003, 03:16 PM
This has been in the making for years; we've all seen it coming, so why are we surprised?

Of course, most of this legislation would be dead in the water if Americans, as a whole, were not becoming abject worry-warts and cowards.

Another opinion, prediction, or whatever; don't expect the masses to finally get it and rise up in arms. By the time they do get it, it will most likely be too late. As a whole, Americans just want to live their lives in hedonistic comfort and not give a crap about the loss of their rights.

TarpleyG
August 23, 2003, 03:20 PM
Oh, stop your worrying! This is all just for our safety, isn't it? :cuss:

GT

Waitone
August 23, 2003, 07:17 PM
I'll refrain from getting excited until I read the actual honest to goodness legislation.

I've been burned in the past by getting excited and involved based on some group's claim of inside information.

Put it out there then I'll act.

Tamara
August 24, 2003, 08:21 AM
Here (http://www.libertythink.com/VICTORYAct.pdf) you go.

BHPshooter
August 24, 2003, 01:23 PM
Cash Smuggling? How much do I have to be carrying before it's smuggling?

:cuss:

If all goes according to pattern, the thought police will be shutting this website down soon.

c_yeager, you're right. They need to make 1984 required reading again. I know it is in some schools in Utah, but not all.

Wes

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