FEG quality and price


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Whitewolf 508
June 15, 2008, 10:26 AM
I have been looking at an FEG Hi Power clone. The price with 2 full capacity mags is $400. The condition is about 98%. Is it worth the price ? My major concern is the quality.:uhoh:

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NC-Mike
June 15, 2008, 11:55 AM
Hey Whitewolf, I'm hoping to tag along on your thread. I just put down a deposit on a FEG HP yesterday after spending much of the day on the internet and thumbing catalogs. Mine was new, 379.00 with one mag. SOG has em in their catalog at 329.00 new. Of course you would have shipping and a transfer fee on top of that if you don't have an FFL.

What I would like to know is what mags are considered good to buy. I think the Mec-Gar 13 rounders are good to go but what about the 15 round versions. Are they reliable?

Should you do anything to a new FEG clone like change springs or certain parts? Are there some spare parts you should keep?

This will be my first Hi-Power and although it is a clone, its as close as I could come right now.

From what I've read about the FEG, its a solid pistol.

Rampant_Colt
June 15, 2008, 12:13 PM
$400 used? Price is too high..

They're good quality P-35s made of decent steel, but the overall finish is a bit rough. The triggers are horrible until the mag safety plunger is removed.

I'd buy another one for $300-$350 used, max

FEG
June 15, 2008, 07:33 PM
Lots of pitfalls here.

That's way too high for any used FEG pistol, period. (Even the P9M SA.)

There are three basic types of FEG 9mm pistol: 1) Models based on the S&W M-59; 2) Models based on the P-35 Hi-Power; and 3) Models that combine features of both. The closest thing to a true Mk II Hi-Power is the P9M SA, if I recall correctly.

I've owned several FEG handguns over the years, but I don't have even one now. In general, the 9mms are made pretty well, as are the pocket pistols. The GKK (.45 ACP) I had was made from soft steel. It ate magazine catches like a kid eating chicken nuggets.

The biggest knock on FEG products is the impossibility of finding any of the propietary parts these days. SSME was able to sell me parts to the GKK at first, but they dried up.

mbott
June 15, 2008, 10:35 PM
The closest thing to a true Mk II Hi-Power is the P9M SA, if I recall correctly.

FEG,

I believe the true HP clone was the PJK 9HP and not the P9M. Doesn't the P9M have three locking lugs on the barrel instead of two like the PJK 9HP and the HiPower?

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Mike

FEG
June 16, 2008, 12:26 AM
Mike,

I'd trust your memory better than mine. The P9M SA may be the one more like a S&W, but single action.

mbott
June 16, 2008, 06:18 AM
FEG,

More deja vu that memory. This thread parallels one from Dec, 2002 that I participated in. :) Good talking to you again.

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Mike

wristtwister
June 16, 2008, 06:24 AM
Try Florida Gun Works... FEG Hi Power Clones... NIB... $289.95

Unless you just like spending money...


WT

bannockburn
June 16, 2008, 06:29 AM
Whitewolf 508

For a used FEG, the price is a little high. A friend of mine bought a used one a year or so ago for around $325. It was a two tone model with the blued slide and satin chrome frame. It had a decent set of high visibilty sights, and while the trigger was somewhat gritty, once the mag safety was removed, it was quite serviceable. Accuracy and function have been alright, and overall it seems to be a decent gun for the money.

sgphoto
June 16, 2008, 07:54 AM
If you want the Hi-Power clone, get the PJK-9HP model. It is a true clone of the BHP.

At the end of the run FEG did change a few parts in the PJK-9HP as it transitioned to the newer FEG 9mms. So be sure to get an "older" PJK-9HP if you want one that interchanges with BHP parts.

They are excellent guns, half the price of the BHP, excellent trigger pull (after removal of the mag safety and minor polishing of parts).

Here's more info:

http://kilogulf59.proboards80.com/index.cgi?board=frugal&action=display&thread=843

Steve

MMCSRET
June 16, 2008, 09:53 AM
I bought a new Feg P-35 clone sometime back in the box with 2 mags for $200.00 And I have since found 4 Browning mags that work very well ,all 13 rd. It functions flawlessly with any 9mm I put in it. Mostly I cast a 120 gr. tc that is my alround favorite.

FEG
June 16, 2008, 11:02 AM
Don't you just love it when everyone is correct?

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg130-e.htm

This link cleared up my confusion. The PJK-9HP is the later version of the original P9M SA, as rollmarked for the US market. The P9M had three locking lugs, and the PJK-9HP has two or three, depending on the year of manufacture.

mbott
June 16, 2008, 05:24 PM
Cool!

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Mike

grimjaw
June 16, 2008, 05:34 PM
The PJK-9HP that I had was very nice, but I don't know that I'd pay more than $300 for one. I bought (and sold) mine for $280 used.

jm

Moonclip
June 17, 2008, 10:24 PM
I have the true BHP clone, I sold my DA version, it had a very nice blue finish as many FEG products do.

It came in a picture box that shows the version with the vent rib on the slide though.

Mine is ok but the pin on the frame above the trigger guard drifts out under recoil, I need to figure a good way to secure it.

97guns
June 18, 2008, 05:44 PM
heres a pic of my PJK-9HP, bought it used for $220



http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m312/hd0642/handguns/HPIM0025.jpg

NC-Mike
June 18, 2008, 06:44 PM
I ordered 4 Mec-Gar 13 round mags for my FEG clone yesterday. From what I have read, most folks have great success with them.

http://www.dailystab.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/borat.jpg

Sniper X
June 18, 2008, 06:52 PM
I just bought a P6 for 300 used in perfect condition. It isn't a FEG but just to let you know they are out there and in my opinion, a much better gun for the money. I hear you can find them used, (mine is a German Police return) for about that price or a little higher every day. Mine is like new in box with two mags. Functions flawlessly. here's a pic.

97guns
June 18, 2008, 07:37 PM
i agree - if your heart is not set on a hi cap or bhp platform gun then the surplus sigs are maybee the best deal going on handguns right now. for $300 and some change its a true bargain, i just got one last week and might have to get another.

dogngun
June 18, 2008, 09:33 PM
The PJK 9HP is the BHP copy. It is a great functioning pistol, should be available for around $250. Any good quality mags for BHP will fit it, but I have not had any probl;ems at all with MecGars for double stack 9mm.

FEG's were very high quality pistols, made for military and police use in Hungary. I have owned about 8 or 9 different ones, now have only a MBP in
.32 ACP. It is a great little pistol, and I carry it everywhere in the summer.
Prices are starting to climb as more people find out how good these guns shoot.
I have never had a problem with any FEG made pistol I have owned.

mark

NC-Mike
June 18, 2008, 10:29 PM
I didn't see anything new for 250.00 I have a deposit on one at my local shop. It was 379.00

NC-Mike
June 18, 2008, 10:31 PM
I just bought a P6 for 300 used in perfect condition.

I have my eye on that pistol as well but the only problem is there are no factory mags to be had at a sane price. I've seen them listed on Gun Broker for 75 dollars and higher! :what:

Samuel Aggie
June 19, 2008, 01:49 AM
FEG went bankrupt and I've heard about some problems about the guns over on the Hi-Power forum.

loop
June 19, 2008, 07:04 AM
Nothing from FEG is worth owning.

The first issue you will have, if you shoot it more than a box or two a year, is that the pins will bend. If you are lucky all that will do is make the gun unfireable or go full auto. If you replace the pins with quality pins the holes in the frame will elongate and the pins will get loose.

The problem is not in the design (although all FEG designs are copies), the problem is in the metal. They do not hold up to protracted firing.

$400 is way too much for any FEG. I wouldn't own one longer than it took me to trade it away.

Before the supply of HP FEGs ran out they were going for $199. I bought my son one and it went full auto by the fifth or sixth box of ammo. Replaced the bent sear pin with drill rod and it went full auto again in a few boxes of ammo. That time the frame holes were so elongated it took a weld and refinish to fix it.

With the cost of gunsmithing I could have bought a real HP. Definitely one of the biggest lemons I ever bought NIB>

mbott
June 19, 2008, 07:23 AM
Your post is the exactly opposite of the information found on the current HP forum of choice: Handguns and Ammo Forum.

See H&A Forum (http://handgunsandammo.proboards36.com/index.cgi?board=fnhipower&action=display&thread=5374)

My experience with my PJK 9HP aligns more with the thread referenced above than your post.

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Mike

atblis
June 19, 2008, 10:28 AM
I had one. Basically the same problems, mine never went FA though. Looked like a nice pistol, but everything was so soft.

I wouldn't buy one again.

If you have to have one, Don't pay much more than $200. They arguably aren't worth even that.

mbott
June 19, 2008, 06:59 PM
arguably

Yep. :)

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Mike

NC-Mike
June 19, 2008, 08:23 PM
Your post is the exactly opposite of the information found on the current HP forum of choice: Handguns and Ammo Forum.

See H&A Forum

My experience with my PJK 9HP aligns more with the thread referenced above than your post.

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Mike

Well I spent an awful lot of time on the net before committing to that FEG and I never saw any negative comments like that either. I hoping for a good experience.

The thread you linked is more or less what I found to be the universal opinion.

atblis
June 19, 2008, 09:35 PM
Now you've seen two negative accounts. Both people actually owned and shot them and had that experience. Not second hand. Take it for what it's worth.

mbott
June 19, 2008, 09:55 PM
Both people actually owned and shot them and had that experience.

And those of us who have put thousands of rounds through our PJK 9HPs without issue are to be ignored because our experience doesn't match theirs?

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Mike

NC-Mike
June 19, 2008, 10:17 PM
Well

Now you've seen two negative accounts. Both people actually owned and shot them and had that experience. Not second hand. Take it for what it's worth.

Any gun will have some bad stories. From what I've read about the model I bought, the vast majority of owners were happy with the gun. I'm satisfied I'm not getting a problem-child type firearm.

atblis
June 20, 2008, 09:42 AM
I am sorry about insulting your pet pistol. You do realize it's not an extension of you. Just an inanimate object. Right?

The one I had was a straight up piece o crap. Didn't say yours was, didn't say they all were.

Around me they are <$250. Usually ~$225.

kmays
June 20, 2008, 10:14 AM
My experiences with the FEG HP clone are detailed here:

http://www.geocities.com/kemays/bhp/feg.htm

NC-Mike
June 20, 2008, 05:01 PM
I am sorry about insulting your pet pistol. You do realize it's not an extension of you. Just an inanimate object. Right?

The one I had was a straight up piece o crap. Didn't say yours was, didn't say they all were.

Around me they are <$250. Usually ~$225.

Well I am sorry I didn't pass on the pistol after reading your scintillating write-up on your particular "piece o crap."

When mine starts bending pins and the holes in the frame start resembling Tylenol capsules, I will ruefully recall your wise counsel.

And BTW, if you can find a new FEG Hi-Power clone "around you" for 225.00, I'll buy it for you. :)

Moonclip
June 21, 2008, 04:00 PM
Saying all FEG products are junk is a little over ther top. I hear the versions of the AK they put out are among the finest stamped receiver Ak's out there. I remember when the SA-85 was available, I always though the stocks, though thumbhole, were a very strinking blonde wood.

Anyone have one of the BHP clones with the vent rib? Anyone else agree the blue finish on FEG guns tends to very rich and blue/black glossy looking?

atblis
June 22, 2008, 07:04 PM
I totally agree that their AKs are top notch.

Anyone have one of the BHP clones with the vent rib? Anyone else agree the blue finish on FEG guns tends to very rich and blue/black glossy looking?
Yes they do. That's what got me to buy the one I had.

mad hungarian
July 1, 2008, 08:39 PM
I have to agree w/ Moonclip and Atblis on the quality of the finish, it is very rich and blue/black looking. I have fed a few thousand rounds of 9mm and .40 cal through my FeGs without them going FA.
The Hungarian AK is very well made and probably a well kept secret. Blonde wood is very nice.

MH

platform
July 1, 2008, 11:32 PM
I had bad experience with FEG P9R (not the HP copy) barrel
if you search for my user name you will find a thread here.

One of the barrel's lugs broke and I could not find that barrel for almost year. Finally contacted Charles Daly owner who posts on THR and asked him if may be his guys could have one left from many years ago when P9Rs where imported by one the older companies they bought.... and I got an email from his gunsmith next day -- he asked me for exact dimensions -- and they found one left.... I was lucky.

But I would only buy FEG stuff if they come with life time warranty -- so only if somebody like CD them.
I have heard that FEG is out of business as far importing anything to US.

(I have two more FEGs and they are HP clones .. I actually took
the slide from true HP to see if goes in on FEG frames and the other way around -- and it did, and the same is with mags -- but did not fire that setup)

blitzen
July 1, 2008, 11:54 PM
As others have said, the asking price seems a bit high. I paid $350.00 for a used one. Removed the mag safty and the trigger still sucked. It's getting a trigger job right now. MecGar 15 round mags are the only way to go. Don't waste money on anything else. If you have a bunch of real Hi Powers as I do and want a clone for a beater gun, go for it. Otherwise I would rather suggest that you wait till you can get a real Browning HP. It's a so much better pistol.

Charles Daly
July 2, 2008, 12:18 AM
KBI (my company) and Kassnar Imports (my father's old company) imported umpteen thousands of FEG pistols and their AKM rifles from the mid-80's until today. They had different issues at different times, but the function was always very good even if the finishing at times left something to be desired. The prices were always fantastic.

For you to truly understand my relationship to FEG pistols and rifles over the years, I will pass on a little known fact about some of the model names that came here to the US:

The PJK-9HP was named for my wife, Pamela Jane.
The MBK-9HP and MBK-9HPC were named for me.
The PMK-380 was named for my father, Paul Martin
The GKK-45, GKK-92 and GKK-92C were all named for my daughter.
The SMC-380, SMC-918 and SMC-22 were named for my sales manager at the time (who got jealous that I was naming all the guns after my family).
Then my sister complained that we had not named anything after her and I replied that there already was one named for her, the AK. Her name is Alexis!

And of course FEG was intimately involved with the Charles Daly HP project, producing all of the components that were ultimately finished in the US.

FEG also sold some of these same models at various times to the old Interarms company and Century. (FEG could never be trusted to honor any exclusives for very long!) That is why you see some of the same guns with different model designations over the years. However, all of the above model names belonged to Kassnar or KBI so they could only have come from these two companies.

For those of you that have any of the above models, and you require service some day, please contact our Service Department. Though all of them are no longer under warranty, (except for the Daly HP), and some were not even sold by KBI but by Kassnar Imports which went out of business in 1989, there is a good chance that we still have some parts (though not all parts) and we will do our best to help you out, as we did for the gentleman (platform) who had a FEG pistol imported by one of our competitors.

Sincerely,

Moonclip
July 2, 2008, 05:08 AM
Neat! And thanks for the offer of help. I had a bad customer service experience in 2000 with KBI but I forgive you:) I like the name game, the CA "ring of fire" manufacturer Lorcin was Laura and Cindy IIRC.

Wilkinson Arms had the Diane,Linda and Sherry, I wonder why her didn't have one named after himself, the Ray gun!

I want a SMC-22, whats the opinion on these? I have had bad luck with clone PPK types in .22lr.

mbott
July 2, 2008, 07:03 AM
For those so interested, Southern Ohio Guns has them in the ad I received in yesterday's mail.

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Mike

Pilot
July 2, 2008, 08:50 AM
Great info Mr. Kassnar. Thanks!

BattleChimp Potemkin
July 2, 2008, 09:02 AM
Hey Mr. Kassnar, I love your company's service btw! I called (apparently after hours) and a guy named Don helped me out with some information I needed. Give that guy a raise!:D

Im glad that someone finally got info on the HP Clones as the earlier stuff (forums and posts) are filled with "just buy a 300 dollar FM" or something. The days of the 300 dollar HP are over and now we can get info on these clones without a resounding NAY!

Moptop
September 15, 2008, 12:15 AM
I hope no one minds if a newbie chimes in! I recently purchased a used FEG PJK-9hp. It was in very decent shape and already had the mag disconnect removed. I gave $257 OTD which I thought was a fair price. I came to find it needed an extractor & spring. I contacted Charles Daly based on what Mr. Kassnar wrote on this thread. They were very nice an were able to help me with an extractor and a spring which I received in only 4 days. Needless to say, I can not say enough good things about the service I received from them.... and as for the pistol, it now performs flawlessly! I had no FTF or FTE problems with the either the Winny white box or the Magtech ammo I used. The accuratecy is also very good, better than my son's Ruger P95DC for that matter. I did a lot of research on FEG's before buying it and found that only in a very few cases where owners complained their quality was lacking and they had problems. For the most part FEG is touted as being a very good quality and reliablilty for the price. I can't imagine the Hungarian police/military using them if they were not.

Take care, Moptop

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