[DigMe]

This thought has crossed my mind every now and then. Most recently when I read about that case where a guy was killed with a Makarov and the FBI was looking at Maks all over the country. I started thinking that the guy probably bought a Mak because it was the cheapest gun in the case but what if he bought it because he read about what a reliable gun it was for the money here or somewhere else like it. Not that we can do anything about it if true but do you think that any criminals/mobsters come here to get tips on what weapons they might choose to commit crimes?

I know most criminals are too stupid to do this but not all of them are. What do you think?

brad cook

[CWL]

Maybe the BG stole the Mak?

If you include civil disobedience, then the answer would be yes.

[Jeeper]

I would suspect that a true professional might but nothing short of that. I think a place like this might scare the average criminal.

[natedog]

I agree, Jeeper. If i was a BG and I read on here where many people say they carry a gun or two, a coupla reloads, pepper spray, and have 100 guns in a safe at home, i would think twice before commiting a crime.

[A. Partisan]

It don't matter how many guns a person carries. They ain't gonna see it comin' from a good BG.

[matis]

Yep, you gotta good point, DigMe.


So let's all divulge our real identities, locations and DNA samples so Oleg can turn them over to the gummint.


I mean, guns really are dangerous, aren't they?


What's a little freedom in exchange for (illusory) safety, right?



matis

[JShirley]

Unlikely.

[Justin]

I'd say that the odds of a BG using THR or another gun-related forum to get tips are pretty unlikely.

And even then, I'd have to say that sites like this probably convince more law abiding people to carry than they give BG's tips for making new victims.

[Oleg Volk]

real identities, locations and DNA samples so Oleg can turn them over to the gummint.

I am sufficiently un-organized that any data like that would become badly mixed-up by the time it left my hands ;)

[MeekandMild]

In my experiance the "average" criminal (if there is one) has several key characteristics these include:

1) substandard academic (i.e. reading) skills
2) poor impulse control
3) substance addiction
4) difficulty planning and formulating abstract thoughts
5) poor social skills and self esteem (wow, what an overused set of words!They are used here in their descriptive sense rather than their psychobabble sense.)

These traits would make it less likely that very many criminals would frequent such a board.

So if you're looking for criminals you might ask at DU instead. ;)

[Standing Wolf]

Criminals gather information in bars and behind bars, not on the internet.

[MLH]

Steal computers to sell not use.:scrutiny: :D

[SodaPop]

Everyone that hangs out here is a Saint.:D

[Moparmike]

Substandard reedin? Whatinthehell is he talkin about, I find that to be offe, uffins, affinsev, fitin words!

Poor impulse control? I dont have an impulse engine, so how can I have that?

Substance addiction. Just because someone goes thru 5 cans of Skoal and 2 fifths of Jack every day...Thinks he's better than me...

Difficulty forming abstract (what does that mean...) thougths. Huh. Damned colledge-edumikated noo-it-awwls.

Low self esteem. Just because someone is a hermit...

Lets see, if I want long range, use a Barret, or a .308 in lieu of that, Most are armed and alarmed, so the throwing knives and security system codes are going to come in handy, safes require a stolen crane truck (which can take out houses and popo's), wow, what a great site! So informative!

[Majic]

I think alot of people need to look around and see that not all BG are as ignorant as most believe. Most of the things they do require some type of plannng and considering their success rate they don't do to bad.

NEVER UNDER ESTIMATE YOUR ENEMY!!!!

[MeekandMild]

OK, I will admit that in Arkansas some of the biggest crooks are Rhodes scholars.

[mete]

Before internet, BGs certainly did at times read gun magazines. The recent parole of Kathy Boudin is a good example of what BGs are capable of - in the 1981 Brinks robbery they were well trained , plained the operation in great detail, carried full auto weapons and bullet proof vests. To quote Majic "never underestimate your enemy"

[LiquidTension]

The types of criminals that would come here for information are most likely not the types that roam the streets in gangs looking for people to mug. They'd probably be engaged in more lucrative (white collar) crimes that aren't as violent. Bank robbers are usually the street criminal variety, not the type seen in "Heat." Basically, if a criminal is smart enough and cares enough to come here looking for info, they should be smart enough to know that low level violent crime doesn't yield as much money as white collar crime.

Naturally there are exceptions, but I think this is the case most of the time.

[greyhound]

5 cans of Skoal and 2 fifths of Jack every day

That makes my gums and liver hurt just THINKING about it!:D

[geekWithA.45]

They may, or they may not, but that is the criminal's karma, and not ours.

IMO, very little of the info here would be of use to a criminal. After all, it's not like we sit around discussing advanced bank heisting strategies.

Besides, lets say the answer is yes. Then what?

Honest folks shouldn't get together in public to talk about firearms? We should be constrained based on what criminals _might_ do?

Nope. T'ain't American.

[Double Naught Spy]

Yes, of course some criminals do use forums like this. Chances are, it isn't your basic street level crack dealing criminal, but others. Heck, numerous people admit to carrying illegally on these forums. Are they a criminal? Well, they are definitely law breakers.

No doubt some people who are now not criminals will be criminals in the future and they are using forums like this right now. I really like reading the announcements by some that they will shoot anyone who tries to take their guns again, inclusive of law enforcement officers. In short, they are promising to commit murder.

[Ala Dan]

In my way of thinking, The BG wouldn't waste his/her
time surfing these web-site's; cuz they would want
to get the jump on other "crooks" that might have
the same idea!:D :uhoh:

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

[4v50 Gary]

When BGs start dressing tactical and listening to banjo music, they've become a Skunkabilly disciple gone bad.

[JShirley]

they will shoot anyone who tries to take their guns

Interesting. So this equals "criminal" to you? Despite the fact that several founding fathers clearly stated the whole point of the armed citizenry was to prevent just such abuses of power?

[brownie0486]

Underestimating the BG's is not good.

Many a BG has access to the net and know how to use a computer [ if they are under 25-30, they got it in school ].

The smart ones will be here one day, the bangers on the streets probably not.

The smart ones are the ones to watch, they plan, they get ideas, they execute their plans efficiently.

Probably doesn't happen often enough to worry about it but it most definately can and probably has ocurred here.

Brownie

[Hkmp5sd]

I don't really see that many BGs using THR to improve their firearm knowledge. In this regard, I think they can be compared to many LEOs. A gun is part of the equipment they use and they are interested only in learning about that particular weapon.

Many LEOs know nothing about firearms other than the one actually issued to them. They have no interest in firearms overall, it's just part of the job. They have no idea there is an actual difference between an AR and a M16. Their knowledge of other guns is based on what they have heard. I remember one episode of Cops in which this veteran LEO picked up an SKS, called in an AK-47 and proceeded to explain how it was so deadly, it could shoot through a telephone pole and kill someone.

The average street criminal probably thinks the same way. They are not going to spend hours or days going through the information here, on other websites or in books and magazines, learning the pros and cons of assorted firearms, bullet weights and expansion, barrel length, etc. Their choice in guns will most likely be from either what guns they can actually get their hands on or what guns they consider "cool" from movies or media propaganda.

[DigMe]

Besides, lets say the answer is yes. Then what?

Honest folks shouldn't get together in public to talk about firearms? We should be constrained based on what criminals _might_ do?


Uuuuh...no. I didn't imply any of those things. Did someone else indicate that we should be constrained and I missed it? In fact I said there's nothing we can do about it but it was just something I thought about.

brad cook

[longtom4570]

Prison's are full of dumb criminals(they are dumb because they got caught)they get there info from bad movies

[WonderNine]

I heard the BG with the Mak used the wrong kind of ammo. True or false?

[Hkmp5sd]

I remember a 'Dumb Crook" article from several years ago when some BG tried to shoot an LEO with a .44 after he had been cornered. He pulled the trigger but the gun did not discharge. After he was subdued, the LEOs opened the gun and found two .22LR cartridges jammed in each cylinder.

[tyme]

You know you've found a criminal who hangs out at THR when:
[list=1] You get into an argument with a mugger over whether his 165gr fmj or your 147gr jhp has a better chance of a one-shot stop.
You confront a home invader and get into an argument over whether the 2nd Amendment protects an individual's right to nuclear weapons.
You confront a home invader with a S&W 626 and the goblin starts complaining about the Agreement.
[/list=1]...

[A. Partisan]

Hkmp5sd,
What's more scary than the LEO that says "This here AK-47 will shoot right through a telephone pole and kill somebody behind it." The politician that hears that comment and believes it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jacketch]

BG's picking up tips at THR?

It's obvious that the bad guys are all over at GlockTalk:neener:

[brownie0486]

SKS and AK 7.62 with Kengs 550 rd cans of ammo will definately go through a pole.

Sks is not an ak but pole idea is valid and then some. Hardened steel rails had melted holes throgh it like butter at 50 yds.

My 308 will do the same thing quite frequently, not hunting loads mind you.

Guess a few here just like to dispute things.

Brwonie

[Drjones]

I stole a pack of gum once when I was about 4, so yes, criminals do get gun tips here.










:neener: :D



Seriously, if any criminal did log on here, imagine what he would see: a bunch of law-abiding citizens who carry a multitude of firearms, knives, pepper spray, batons, etc., who are aware of their environment, and are generally pretty proficient with their self-defense tools and all too ready to use them. (I do NOT mean that in a bad way, as if to imply we're trigger-happy.)

[MagKnightX]

You confront a home invader with a S&W 626 and the goblin starts complaining about the Agreement

Agreement? What?

Anyhoo, I wouldn't say criminals really get tips from here. Most probably don't even know about the place.

[JShirley]

I, too, took a piece of gum when I was 3 or 4. After we had driven a few miles, my mom discovered it.

We drove back so I could confess and apologize.

John

[Beav]

If they do, it doesn't bother me.

[Duncan Idaho]

Do you think any criminals get gun tips here?What if I do?

What if they do?

So what? :rolleyes:

[Drjones]

I, too, took a piece of gum when I was 3 or 4. After we had driven a few miles, my mom discovered it.


At least you were that smart.

As soon as we got into the car in the parking lot, I pulled out my stolen booty. :rolleyes:

Mom didn't take too kindly to that, marched me back in and made me apologise too.

John, until just now when I discovered that your name is John, I thought you were a woman. Jane or something.... Go figure... *shrug*

[Orthonym]

My Mom made me take the gum back,too. Stood there and prodded me until _I_ confessed.:o

As to smart crooks; I thought they had all gotten elected or Civil Serpent jobs long ago. (The ones who hadn't snookered the Board and stockholders into paying them way too much for running the firm into the ground)

[Hal]

Firearms make pretty good items to steal.

IMNSHO, crooks and goblins hang out here to gather information about WHAT to steal, and WHERE to find it and WHEN would be the best time,,,,,,,not HOW to do it.

[DigMe]

What if they do?

So what? :rolleyes:

It's just a discussion topic. No action was proposed so please keep the snotty comments and rolleyes to yourself as it's more trollish than it is constructive. If you don't care about it then why even post in this thread?

brad cook

[Orthonym]

As to finding out who owns what and where they live, I think there's almost certainly one group of criminals who look here for info- the ones with badges.

[geekWithA.45]

After we had driven a few miles, my mom discovered it. We drove back so I could confess and apologize.

Sadly, this simple, important, and potentially life changing lesson in honesty seems a lot less available today.

It seems to me that unless you know the shopkeeper, this is a very risky thing to do. All you need is a managerial drone mindlessly executing the corporate manual of arms, and taking literally the sign that says that all shoplifters will be prosecuted, and behold! Your child is fed to the wolves.

I seem to remember a kinder, gentler time, and I'm only 36, damnit!

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

[TallPine]

Yeah ... maybe everyone should have to pass a NICS background check before buying a computer ....?

Do it for the children. :D

[brownie0486]

Orthonym:

Bet you don't call em [ LE ] criminals to their face now do you?

Easy to rant and call LE criminals here, same people probably wet themselves when they are approached by LE, no?

Having been an LE, I resent your generalized remarks here regarding LE's as criminals. Oh, I see, we are criminals but you are a saint. Sorry, I forgot to kneel before you before posting.

Brownie

[atek3]

atek3 <----- Stolen gum returner :)

atek3

[seeker_two]

Not that we can do anything about it if true but do you think that any criminals/mobsters come here to get tips on what weapons they might choose to commit crimes?

I doubt it. Most criminals who are caught aren't that bright, and the ones who would be smart enough to come here are probably smart enough to figure out that information on their own....

However, if a large number of criminals are found to possess carbon-fiber banjos.... :uhoh:

[45R]

I think that its mostly the gun nuts that somehow find the TFL/THR collective.


Now as far as criminals researching what guns they are using to commit crimes...I highly doubt it but anything is possible.


BTW

[QUOTE]You know you've found a criminal who hangs out at THR when:


You get into an argument with a mugger over whether his 165gr fmj or your 147gr jhp has a better chance of a one-shot stop.

You confront a home invader and get into an argument over whether the 2nd Amendment protects an individual's right to nuclear weapons.

You confront a home invader with a S&W 626 and the goblin starts complaining about the Agreement.
QUOTE]


Also ad your know you've found a criminal that hangs out too much on the gun forums when you start arguing about what to pack in your SHTF bag. :evil: :evil:

[Orthonym]

Actually I (almost) did, once. Quoted Mark Twain, as to their being "...un-American, un-English, ... completely irregular..., in fact, French!" Don't know what came over me to make me say something like that to a couple of skinhead mesomorphs twice my size and half my age, with badges. I wasn't prudent, that's for sure; I suppose I was just so hoppin' mad at their arrogance , their implied insults to my honor, their lies and unjust accusations that I just sorta lost it.

No, I'm not a saint, just yr average sinner, but I do resent people abusing their sovereign immunity to pick on the small and the weak. I do try very hard always to be formally polite to LEOs, for the very reason that I DON'T like them very much , while recognizing our need for them in the present degenerate state of society.

[Orthonym]

Did I just kill yet ANOTHER thread, or was I only knocking down a dead horse with the last straw? (I always throw the first stone last)