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semper_fidelis
June 18, 2008, 12:03 AM
hey i'm looking for a .308. That shoots about 1 moa. It will be used as plinking hunting and survival gun. Am looking at spending under a grand. Easy optics mount. It needs to be easly customizable (stock barrel trigger) over time. thanks for the help

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CavalryJim
June 18, 2008, 12:11 AM
1 moa is pretty ambitious for plinking & hunting...although not unreasonable.

Have you looked at the Savage line of target/varmint rifles?

W.E.G.
June 18, 2008, 12:13 AM
Change your requirement to 2 MOA and the pack really opens up.

Very, very few guns will shoot 1 MOA for $1,000 if the optic is included in the tally.

Big Daddy Grim
June 18, 2008, 12:14 AM
I would go with a Tika great out of the box and a good price not to mention what you save on the gun you can use to upgrade and buy a nicer scope.:evil:

shadowalker
June 18, 2008, 12:15 AM
The Remington 700 SPS Varmint would be a good choice as well, snipercentral's test showed ~ .75MOA and dropped considerably with a good stock. It has the benefit of a huge parts market and you should be able to get one for not much more than $500, leaving lots of money for optics.

Rifleman 173
June 18, 2008, 01:10 AM
For survival go with an M-1A in 7.62 NATO. Mount a decent scope on it and you're set for hunting or survival. Great gun.

bogie
June 18, 2008, 01:44 AM
Plinking, hunting and survival?

Savage 110 variant... You can also change barrels yourself easily.

Stick a decent scope on it. That'll leave you $400ish for a decent mobile reloading setup, a couple of hundred pieces of brass, and plenty of bullets, primers and powder.

est_1980
June 18, 2008, 01:53 AM
You can't go wrong with a 700 action as far as customization is concerned. A Remington 700p ~$870.00 would be a great base for a combo that could come in just over $1,000 (a little over meaning a few hundred bucks more than the $1,000 budget), but there are a couple other heavy-barreled 700 actions that might suit your needs perfectly.

The 700 SPS Tactical and 700 SPS Varmint (around $500 to $600) are both pretty similar in many aspects to the 700p. Plus you could always save up for an McMillan A5 stock and better trigger to add at a later date.

Both of these rifles have pretty good reviews over at snipercentral.com

I've also heard that a Super Sniper Scope is a great value ~$300.00

I'm actually considering the SPS Tactical/Super Sniper Scope combo (but in .223) for myself. I've also considered the Tikka T3 Varmint, but aftermarket parts are sparse to say the least.

Organdonor
June 18, 2008, 08:53 AM
DPMS LR308B can be found for under $1k.

marineman
June 18, 2008, 09:29 AM
Winchester model 70. The Stealth II is a great line. I am not sure if they make it in .308. Also, the Coyote line. Winchester is reintroducing the model 70, but you can still find all of their previous model 70's that they made before abandoning the model 70.

MCgunner
June 18, 2008, 10:37 AM
Change your requirement to 2 MOA and the pack really opens up.

Very, very few guns will shoot 1 MOA for $1,000 if the optic is included in the tally.

BS

I have a 200 dollar Savage 110 in 7 mag that shoots 1 moa. I have a stainless Remington M7 in .308 that shoots 3/4 moa. Most bolt action sporting rifles are capable of this sort of accuracy for well under a grand depending on the optics you put on it. I've got about 400 in the Savage with a Weatherby Supreme 3x9x44. The Remington MSRPs for just under 1000, but you could probably pick one up in blue for around 700 new or slightly used. I've got 300 bucks tied up in a Weaver 2x10x40 and millet mounts/rings on it.

You could also scrounge the used long guns at gun shows for an older rifle. A remington 600 mohawk would be super fun and likely meet your requirements. I've fired Remington 788s (crappy trigger, budget gun in the 60s/70s) that would shoot sub moa right out of the box. The 788s were unreal for the money. I had a .30-30 Savage 340 that was a 1 moa out of the box with factory loads gun, but it was never available in .308. The 788 was offered in .308, though. There are MANY used options for well under a grand. There are a lot of new in box options. Topping my list of inexpensive moa guns has to be the Savage, though. I love my Remingtons, but on an accuracy per dollar basis, no other factors, the Savage is just damned hard to beat. They aren't tacticool, but I've killed a lot of deer with my guns and I could just as easily kill a man just as dead as any AR or M1A or whatever. In a survival gun, you don't want to waste ammo. Firepower is NOT a requirement, but accuracy is. If I had to walk out the door and survive with a large caliber rifle, my M7 would be my go to gun.

cpttango30
June 18, 2008, 10:51 AM
1moa should be easy to do with good ammo and a good shooter with just about any gun. Remington VLS or VSF or a Savage Model 12 Varminter Low Profile or Model 12FVSS. If a rifle does not shoot 1/2" it leave my house. Either one of these will fill the bill for under $1000 and produce no more than 3/4 MOA at 100 yards. My vls shoots 50gr V-maxes in to .411" 5 shot 100 yard groups. I have seen plenty of Savages that will do the same as that or better. Some Ruger M77 MkII VT will do it as well.

I have no use for a rifle that shoots like a shotgun. A wise man once told me the only guns that are fun are accurate ones.

I would top it with a Bushnell elite 4200 or a Nikon Monarch. Get a good bipod and sling and some scope caps as well.

buck00
June 18, 2008, 11:16 AM
If you are considering a semi-auto, you should check out the DPMS Panther, LR-308 AP4.

http://www.dpmsinc.com/firearms/firearm.aspx?id=18

I was really impressed with it. Very reasonable recoil and very accurate.

Also, it was very easy to wield and carry- my M1A felt like a boat oar compared to it. ;)

http://www.thehighroad.org./attachment.php?attachmentid=80119&stc=1&d=1213802150

Eric-WA
June 18, 2008, 11:24 AM
Weatherby Vanguard Sub-MOA,

Aout $800.00 for the rifle. Leaves you $200 for optics, which should get you a decent Nikon if you shop around. Plus it's stainless and synthetic.

shadowalker
June 18, 2008, 01:59 PM
For semi auto the LR-308 is a good value and accurate, I have a LR-308T and love it, paid $930 or so but got a good deal.

H2O MAN
June 18, 2008, 02:04 PM
Rifleman 173

For survival go with an M-1A in 7.62 NATO.

+1

Shop for a used Chinese Norinco or Poly Tech M14.
Shoot it as is or domesticate it the way you want.

Works for me :evil:

http://www.athenswater.com/images/06-14-08-B.jpg

CanonNinja
June 18, 2008, 02:30 PM
my DPMS LR308 was 1 MOA out of the box with (good) surplus ammo. better with match stuff. I would not hesitate to buy one again.



And if using optics and semi-auto, go with an AR-style platform. Naysayers will proclaim they are unreliable, yet I never had a single issue, failure or misfire on mine with over 200 rounds of nothing but different surplus and match through it. In one day.

skinewmexico
June 18, 2008, 06:18 PM
The big advantage of the Savage over the Remington 700 is that the Savage is customizable, over time, in your own garage, by you, assuming you have the mechanical skills needed to change the oil in a car. Or you could just buy a Savage action, a Shilen Supermatch barrel, the stock you want, and still come in under a grand.

MCgunner
June 18, 2008, 06:27 PM
I've owned two Savages, one 110 I still have, and both were 1MOA right out of the box. The trigger is easy to tune, also. I don't have the accu-trigger. It's neat, though, knowing if I get tired of the caliber, I can change it at home with the purchase of a new barrel, a go-no go headspace gauge, and a barrel nut wrench. I can even change cartridge head size via a new bolt head. The bolt comes apart. I suppose a match barrel would be nice, but the standard button rifled Savage barrel is pretty danged good IMHO. If I were going to go for sub moa bench rest groups, I might go that route.

Bare in mind, we're talkin' about a 400 dollar rifle here. Just can't beat it for the money.

jmr40
June 18, 2008, 06:57 PM
Stevens 200, about $320 most places and can be found on sale for less. Most shoot 1 MOA or very close to it. For a little more you can get the Savage with accutrigger, but the Stevens is just as good for less money in my opinion.

Tikka for $450-$600 depending on stainless/blue and where you shop. Easily under 1 MOA. With the right loads many will shoot under 1/2 MOA. My personal choice.

I've had good luck with Remingtons as well but do not really like most of their current offerings. Just a personal thing. If going Remington I would look for a used ADL for around $350.

Weatherby, Ruger and others make good guns that will do what you want but the above are what I have the most experience with and would recomend.

I like Leupold scopes but in the $200-$300 range feel the Nikon scopes are the best buy. Buy one of these and spend the rest on ammo.

LooseGrouper
June 18, 2008, 08:12 PM
What about a Howa houge/NikkoSterling combo? I've heard really good things, and I am interested in the more compact "Ranchland" model. It's basically the same action/barrel as Weatherby Vanguard, but cheaper and with well-reviewed optics. For $600 MSRP, it seems pretty hard to beat. BassPro carries a Howa "Lightning" model for ~$550...althought I am loathe to buy from them.

LG

http://www.legacysports.com/products/howa/howa_hogue_nighteaterpkg.html

Franco2shoot
June 19, 2008, 11:05 AM
Stevens w/accutrigger, or my personal favorite Remington Model 7. Purchased latter at a gunshow for 3 bills and added quality scope providing performance that exceeds my capabilities.
KKKKFL

robsc
June 19, 2008, 02:56 PM
Wait for the FN milspec M70. Or look for a Browning Abolt ll, 26inch varmint barrel with BOSS and laminated stock. No thumbhole. Replace the Browning trigger spring with a Timney #2 lb. spring.

If you can`t wait, definite and final choice is CZ550 Kevlar. Costs less than the FN. CZ550 Kevlar has HS Precision kevlar stock and best trigger of any out of box factory CF rifle that I have seen. The conventional trigger has individual adjustments for 1)pretravel 2)sear engagement 3)pull weight 4)overtravel. The set trigger has another separate sear engagement adjustment. The set trigger can also be adjusted out completely so that it isn`t there. The CZ527 Kevlar has the same trigger system as the CZ550. You`ll have to get one and adjust it to your personal setting to appreciate it and understand what I mean.

gtmerkley
June 19, 2008, 03:26 PM
Hk G3

dmftoy1
June 19, 2008, 06:53 PM
Savage 10FLP and Burris Fullfield II 3x9 Scope and rings = $800 OTD . .left plenty of money for brass and bullets. It'll shoot MOA all day long if the shooter can do his part. If I was looking for a SHTF gun though I'd want something a bit lighter as the heavy barrel on that would probably get old if I had to carry it all day every day.

Just my .02

Regards,
Dave

SimpleIsGood229
June 19, 2008, 08:45 PM
Keep in mind that the optics are much more important than the rifle. Don't skimp on optics!

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