Who Makes The Best AR-15?


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Fake Name
June 19, 2008, 02:51 PM
I am starting to look into picking up an AR-15. What company makes the best and most reliable EBR? And why?

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RockyMtnTactical
June 19, 2008, 02:59 PM
Noveske followed by LMT and then Colt.

The best QC and most important features for a reliable AR15.

There are other good options out there too though.

Out of those 3 listed above, I believe LMT is making the best value AR15 out of the "best".

Stag Arms makes an excellent value as well.

Big45
June 19, 2008, 03:02 PM
Olympic

jmtgsx
June 19, 2008, 03:08 PM
I built my own, but if I were buying a complete rifle, it would be a Noveske 16" recce. I used this barrel in my build and it is an outstanding value for the money. If you dont want to spend that much (~$1400), I'm hearing some pretty positive stuff about Charles Daly. No first-hand experience though.

johnson_n
June 19, 2008, 03:10 PM
Best for what?

GreenFurniture
June 19, 2008, 03:13 PM
DPMS, Bushmaster, Sabre, S&W, Colt.

full metal
June 19, 2008, 03:24 PM
What? :what:Charles Daly now makes an AR rifle to? Wow, any way what about the Smith and Wesson MP rifle?

Rugerlvr
June 19, 2008, 03:25 PM
I just built up a Stag. It's the best for me :D

hsiddall
June 19, 2008, 03:26 PM
You do, Decide what u wnat and order the parts. A couple hours of simple labor and shes done.http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg23/hsiddall/harleyspics006.jpgSorry about the size. RRA upper and lower receivers, Wilson M4 Barrel, 6 pos stock and tack light.

Bazooka Joe71
June 19, 2008, 03:31 PM
I'm surprised no one has ever asked this before.

If I were you, I'd just watch this (http://ktmtalk.com/uploads/posting.swf). If you listen intently and follow the instructions, you'll have more info on AR15's can you can handle.

Tarvis
June 19, 2008, 03:46 PM
+1 Zooka.

http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=6642

JShirley
June 19, 2008, 04:35 PM
There is no best. Different makers specialize in different things.

I have a Stag Arms upper on a nondescript lower. Best? Eh. Works great, though.

J

fins831
June 19, 2008, 05:40 PM
I think a better question is, is it better to build an ar-15, or buy a full one and get a warranty?

Bazooka Joe71
June 19, 2008, 05:42 PM
I think a better question is, is it better to build an ar-15, or buy a full one and get a warranty?

If you are unfamiliar with the platform, then buy it as a whole.

3pairs12
June 19, 2008, 05:44 PM
I have a mutt. M1S upper reciever shaw barrel Lauer lower reciever DPMS LPK. It works great.

JPP
June 19, 2008, 06:04 PM
Hey Bazooka.............

RATFLMFAO!

JP

Hypnogator
June 19, 2008, 10:27 PM
...and which is better, the 9mm or .45 ACP? :neener::neener::neener:

45ACPUSER
June 20, 2008, 09:37 AM
www.slr15.com

LongRangeInternational
June 20, 2008, 09:46 AM
Charles Daly is building one heck of an AR right now and it's done right for the right price.

ryoushi
June 20, 2008, 11:41 AM
If by AR-15 you mean a M4 style carbine look at LMT or Sabre. RRA and Stag are pretty darn good too for the money. Just my opinion.

If you want a precision type rifle, I'd go JP Enterprises or MSTN.

Don't Tread On Me
June 20, 2008, 12:00 PM
Hesse, Olympic, Model 1 Sales ... :rolleyes: :barf:


Colt & FN :)

joe90
April 13, 2010, 09:36 PM
I'm seeing LMT for M4 style carbine but are they as good for long range rifles to use for punching holes in paper and hunting?

shibby
April 13, 2010, 09:38 PM
Olympic

APIT50
April 13, 2010, 10:38 PM
It kinda depends on what you want to use it for mostly, that and what you want to spend.

If you want to build one get the FailZero receiver kit and put a top end barrel with a medium twist rate, preferably hammer forged polygonal, and piston kit on it with a match trigger group. That will give the top reliability, accuracy and longevity.

price is what it really comes down to...
Top end: Patriot Ordnance Factory, HK 416, LMT, Noveske, Sabre Defense
Medium: Colt, RRA, Stag, Smith&Wesson
Economy:M&A, Delton, Doublestar, Olympic, DPMS

Any AR can be accurate and reliable with the right parts basically. The thing that matters most for accuracy is the upper receiver and barrel. Easiest thing is to buy a top quality lower and gather uppers as needed

gasteffens
April 13, 2010, 10:52 PM
Why don't I see anything about BCM on here? On my thread I had guys giving me advice that led to that brand as a good choice too.

Zerodefect
April 13, 2010, 11:18 PM
BCM rules. And they have a ton of uppers with midlength gas systems and real good FF rail systems prebuilt ready to go. So now I don't have to custom install a Larue or DD rail. I can just buy the upper with it.

My BCM stuff= my Colt stuff.

gasteffens
April 13, 2010, 11:43 PM
that's good to know :-)

nwilliams
April 13, 2010, 11:59 PM
A good source of information that I found helpful when I went shopping for a good quality AR can be found here:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pwswheghNQsEuEhjFwPrgTA&gid=5

As far as the best bang for your buck goes I would probably list them in this order:
Colt
Daniel Defense
BCM
LMT
S&W
Sabre Defense
Stag
Armalite
Rock River Arms
DPMS
Bushmaster
Olympic

I have a Daniel Defense M4-XV and I couldn't be happier with it.
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/nwilliams27/DD-10-1.jpg

Dionysusigma
April 14, 2010, 12:07 AM
Nobody makes a "best" AR, just like there's no "best" recipe for meatloaf.

Now, purpose-built custom jobs, on the other hand, can be pretty impressive.

Nobody makes what I'd personally consider the "best" AR, but my needs are vastly different from everyone else's. :)

Nikon777
April 14, 2010, 09:45 PM
Theres a lot of misinformation on the AR rifle. Do you research.

mljdeckard
April 14, 2010, 09:53 PM
For what purpose?

VegasAR15
April 15, 2010, 11:54 AM
I have an Olympic that is my 'beater' rifle. It has never jammed or given me any problems, but it not a real nice rifle. I have an M&P15T that I have have been very pleased with. It had all the features on it that I was looking for at the time. If I was going to buy a new complete one right now, I might look at the new Ruger SR-556.

~Falkon~
April 15, 2010, 12:59 PM
nwilliams,

Nice stick! I recently acquired my first, a DD XVM. It is a middy but just all stock right now. I do like that vfg you are sporting on yours though.

speaksoftly
April 15, 2010, 01:11 PM
9 times out of 10 people are going to say that whatever they own is the "best". It's a milspec rifle with little to no variations between the known brands. The differences are usually a matter of preference. My advice? Do copious amounts of research then build your own.

Bartholomew Roberts
April 15, 2010, 01:29 PM
It's a milspec rifle with little to no variations between the known brands.

There are actually pretty substantial variations among different brands, from component parts all the way to assembly procedures. You can argue over whether those differences make a difference for a particular use; but they are definitely there.

To give just one example, look at just the barrel on three "M4"-style carbines from Bravo Company, Smith and Wesson and Olympic:

1. Bravo Company will have a barrel that meets MIL-B-11595E specs. It will be magnetic particle inspected and proof tested. It will have an M4 front sight base and be parked underneath the front sight base. It will have a 5.56 chamber. It will have a chrome-lined barrel and chamber and have M4 feed ramps. It will also have a 1:7 twist.

2. Smith and Wesson will have a 4140 steel barrel. The barrels will be batch tested (random samples from each batch) for magnetic particle and proof testing. It will have an M4 front sight base and be parked underneath the front sight base. It will have a 5.56 chamber. It will have a chrome-lined barrel and chamber and have M4 feed ramps. It will also have a 1:9 twist.

3. Olympic will have a 4140 unlined steel barrel. The barrels will be batch tested (random samples from each batch) for magnetic particle and proof testing. It will have a rifle front sight base and not be parked underneath. It will have M4 feed ramps; but no chrome lining. It will have a 1:9 twist.

Quentin
April 15, 2010, 06:33 PM
Why don't I see anything about BCM on here? On my thread I had guys giving me advice that led to that brand as a good choice too.

Because joe90 resurrected a two year old thread. You didn't hear as much about BCM back then.

Bear70
April 15, 2010, 08:50 PM
All main AR components are made at the same 2 Tooling places. One is LMT Lewis Machine and Tool and I can't think of the other one _MT<--? Then different manufacturers put them together and add upgrades. The basic AR build, I don't think you can say who is "best" because they put together the same basic interchangeable main parts.

Now, who provides the best upgrades better triggers, grips, etc. on their sale rifles?? I would say LMT and Rock River. Before someone says I am biased, I own a Smith and Wesson MP 15 which I love, but it wasn't the most finished rifle I could have purchased. It just had the best price at the time. Just pick one and start building on it. It's a grown man's erector set! :D

RatDrall
April 15, 2010, 09:05 PM
To give just one example, look at just the barrel on three "M4"-style carbines from Bravo Company, Smith and Wesson and Olympic:

1. Bravo Company will have a barrel that meets MIL-B-11595E specs. It will be magnetic particle inspected and proof tested. It will have an M4 front sight base and be parked underneath the front sight base. It will have a 5.56 chamber. It will have a chrome-lined barrel and chamber and have M4 feed ramps. It will also have a 1:7 twist.

2. Smith and Wesson will have a 4140 steel barrel. The barrels will be batch tested (random samples from each batch) for magnetic particle and proof testing. It will have an M4 front sight base and be parked underneath the front sight base. It will have a 5.56 chamber. It will have a chrome-lined barrel and chamber and have M4 feed ramps. It will also have a 1:9 twist.

3. Olympic will have a 4140 unlined steel barrel. The barrels will be batch tested (random samples from each batch) for magnetic particle and proof testing. It will have a rifle front sight base and not be parked underneath. It will have M4 feed ramps; but no chrome lining. It will have a 1:9 twist.


I just got done with a lot of research on my first AR and this is what I noticed.

You can buy a brand new rifle that isn't built to true GI standards for $1200, buy a true GI spec'd rifle for $1500....or you can buy a lower from BCM for $360 and an upper for $700, with a properly built, tested, and assembled bolt carrier group, and have a top tier rifle for $1100 just because you bought the pieces seperately. To "assemble" the pieces requires no more skill than a basic field take down for cleaning. Just put in your charging handle and BGC and snap the upper to the lower.

I would vote for Noveske, LMT and BCM as the best 3 from my research. I'm going to be picking up a BCM upper one of these days, they are priced much more competitively than the others.

Oh! You can just go here and pick up a nice lightweight Colt for $1059:

https://policeguns.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=16_236&products_id=5639&osCsid=q5hjiknad4pe15mp0sg6o57tq0

base704
April 15, 2010, 10:53 PM
Here's an interesting article I found while AR shopping myself. A litttle dated, but...

http://www.alpharubicon.com/leo/ar15sforserious.htm

Of course it is just another opinion, but that's all your really gonna get out of a question like that...

-704

cyclopsshooter
April 15, 2010, 11:02 PM
any olympic made in the last 10 years is a very good rifle and a good value

heavy bolt carrier
properly staked gas key
barrels are some of the best on the market
good fit and finish
dead reliable
that is my opinion based on owning two of their rifles (one i run very often, very hot, and very dirty)

my beater:
http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/wrc376/DSC00410.jpg

C-grunt
April 16, 2010, 02:17 AM
Zombie thread.

I really like my Noveske though.

LMT, BCM, DD and Colt have really nice rifles too.

noob_shooter
April 16, 2010, 02:36 AM
glock.. lol...haha

Bartholomew Roberts
April 16, 2010, 07:30 AM
All main AR components are made at the same 2 Tooling places. One is LMT Lewis Machine and Tool and I can't think of the other one _MT<--?

Actually, this is not the case. Lewis Machine and Tool and Connecticut Machine and Tool (who also have their own AR brand - Stag) make a large number of parts for the AR market; but they are not the only makers.

If you are talking actual forges producing AR receivers, there is Alcoa, Harvey, Martin Marietta, Kaiser, Cerro Metal, and probably a few others I left out. If you are talking about places that partially machine their own parts, there are at least two dozen I can think of off the top of my head.

Finally, it is important to remember that while the same place that makes a part for Colt might also make the same part for Model 1 Sales, it doesn't necessarily mean that the parts were made to the same specifications or even using the same metals. There are a hundred places to cut corners on an AR15 and make your price point better - and 99% of your customers would never know because they won't ever shoot the rifle enough to notice the difference.

To use just one example, instead of selling you a forged 7075T6 aluminium receiver, I can sell you a "billet" receiver made out of cheaper 6061 Aluminium - and charge you extra because it is a "billet" receiver, which everyone knows is better, right?

Or another fun one, I can save myself about a few cents per part by using pot metal for the receiver endplate on a telestock and loctiting it on instead of using the actual specified metal and staking it. You won't ever know unless you try to stake it or change the telestock. On the off chance you do stake it and find out the metal is brittle enough to shatter, I just send you a new one gratis with a snappy gizmo included. Maybe I even blame "a bad heat treatment" or something similar. You rave about my customer service and I still saved money on the other 1,000 that nobody noticed.

JGrelle
April 16, 2010, 07:01 PM
Lots of Money!:D

vanfunk
April 17, 2010, 05:34 AM
Actually, this is not the case. Lewis Machine and Tool and Connecticut Machine and Tool (who also have their own AR brand - Stag) make a large number of parts for the AR market; but they are not the only makers.

If you are talking actual forges producing AR receivers, there is Alcoa, Harvey, Martin Marietta, Kaiser, Cerro Metal, and probably a few others I left out. If you are talking about places that partially machine their own parts, there are at least two dozen I can think of off the top of my head.

Finally, it is important to remember that while the same place that makes a part for Colt might also make the same part for Model 1 Sales, it doesn't necessarily mean that the parts were made to the same specifications or even using the same metals. There are a hundred places to cut corners on an AR15 and make your price point better - and 99% of your customers would never know because they won't ever shoot the rifle enough to notice the difference.

To use just one example, instead of selling you a forged 7075T6 aluminium receiver, I can sell you a "billet" receiver made out of cheaper 6061 Aluminium - and charge you extra because it is a "billet" receiver, which everyone knows is better, right?

Or another fun one, I can save myself about a few cents per part by using pot metal for the receiver endplate on a telestock and loctiting it on instead of using the actual specified metal and staking it. You won't ever know unless you try to stake it or change the telestock. On the off chance you do stake it and find out the metal is brittle enough to shatter, I just send you a new one gratis with a snappy gizmo included. Maybe I even blame "a bad heat treatment" or something similar. You rave about my customer service and I still saved money on the other 1,000 that nobody noticed.

I submit this post for nomination as the best summary of "AR-15 quality" issues of the year. This should be required reading for anyone getting into AR-15s.

vanfunk

Jaybird78
April 17, 2010, 03:18 PM
BCM koolaid is ................oh yeah!


Just shot 100 rounds this morning to get the irons and reddot sighted in. Not a single hiccup.

My other is an Armalite and has been flawless.

mgregg85
April 17, 2010, 03:25 PM
Century Arms...

Nah, just build the rifle yourself. Thats what I did and I'm no expert at anything, its that easy. And when you build it yourself you can make it however you want and its cheaper.

shootinxd
April 17, 2010, 09:25 PM
Hey,how about Armalite.mine shoots 260yrds with iron sights all day if i do my part.

Stevepwns
April 17, 2010, 10:02 PM
I bought a rock river after to talking to several instructors i delt with in the army, since then Ive always asked any gunsmith Iv ever talked to do to the fact Im a slut when it comes to tactical weapons. Ive always gotten the same responce, Rock River is one of the top 3 as far as quality and price. Mine is an A4 style, I have no less than 5000 rounds out of it and never once had any problems. For 1050 bucks its been a great buy and I would suggest them to anyone with full confidence.

CZF
April 17, 2010, 11:02 PM
My NIB STAG for $725 shipped!

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/897801/AR-15-1.jpg

NWCP
April 17, 2010, 11:08 PM
I own a RRA and a Stag Arms Mod 8. In my opinion they're the 'best' ARs out there. I think generally you'll find that most are partial to the weapons they own. There are more expensive ARs out there, but the two I own have served me well.

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