THR LEO's A Question.


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Aaryq
June 20, 2008, 06:58 PM
Howdy, folks. Now, since there aren't a lot of LEOs on THR, everyone can answer for the LEOs in the place where they live (if they know). What do you carry as your primary sidearm, your "heavy weapon" and BUG (if you have a BUG)? Do you get to choose or is it issued to you?

I'm not an LEO, but in Oceanside, every officer I've seen in Oceanside, CA has a Glock (unknown model #/caliber) on their hip.

In my hometown where I grew up, the police/sheriff's deputies carry a gun approved by the chief of police/sheriff on their hips and either an M16/AR, Lever action 30-30 of some kind, or a pump shotgun of some kind. If they didn't have a sidearm, they'd be issued a .357 revolver (smith and wesson no clue on model). BUGs are optional and not issued.

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another okie
June 20, 2008, 07:58 PM
I am not an LEO, but in my city and county the police and sheriff's officers are both allowed to carry a back up, but it is not required. The city police have to qualify with the backup. Some carry a Glock 27 to back up their 22, others carry a snubbie, a few carry micro guns in .25.

shdwfx
June 20, 2008, 08:05 PM
Now, since there aren't a lot of LEOs on THR...
Really? As in, there are proportionally fewer LEOs on THR than there are LEOs in the general population?

I'd think it would be the other way arround. :)

czbegenner
June 20, 2008, 08:09 PM
Sherveport La, Glock22,Mansfield PD
Glock22

ZombieHunter
June 20, 2008, 08:09 PM
i'd actually be interested in knowing that stat shdwfx

psyopspec
June 20, 2008, 08:26 PM
Fargo, ND = Glock 22, M4gery in the vehicle

West Fargo, ND = Glock 21

Moorhead, MN = Glock 17

Diplomatic Security Service = SIG 228 in .40, Colt 9mm M4

Military Police = Beretta 92fs (M-9)

Border Patrol = HK P2000 LEM in .40

czbegenner
June 20, 2008, 08:30 PM
Mansfield la K-9 unit =Glock22
Shreveport K-9 Unit=Glock 22
Bossier city PD =Glock 22
Caddo Sheriff Dep=Glock 22
Mid South Security=Glock22
Some Security= 38 Special

XD Fan
June 20, 2008, 08:46 PM
Glocks here in rural Missouri.

Zach S
June 20, 2008, 09:22 PM
For one local department the issue sidearm is a P220, on-person BUGs are allowed but not provided. ARs allowed but not provided. I dont know about shotguns, they're allowed, but I dont know if they're provided.

I dont know about SWAT, or plainclothes LEOs. I dont know any.

ctdemolay0405
June 20, 2008, 09:22 PM
Washington DC MPD has Glock 17s, 19s and if your lucky/BUG/off duty a Glock 26. The mayor's protective detail has Sig 226s (everything so far in 9mm). The FBI guys have Glocks in .40, the Secret Service P229s in .357 SIG, Housing Authority has HK USPs in 9mm.

CT State Police has Sigs, locals near me have Glock 17s and 19s

as far as heavier weapons, it varies by department, but obviously they have shotguns and ARs available if the situations warrented it

sacp81170a
June 20, 2008, 11:00 PM
NW Arkansas, majority of the PD's around here are Glock 17, 19, 22 and 23. Bug is allowed by some, usually officer supplied. My PD allows part timers to carry whatever they can qualify with so long as it's a quality manufacturer (no Hi-Points, etc.). Shotguns and M4geries as long arms. Washington county sheriff is Glock 22, Benton County is Sig 220 or 226 in .40 cal.

Morgan
June 20, 2008, 11:06 PM
Denver PD. We have a choice of a list of pistols, in 9mm or .45.

I carry a nicely customized Colt 1911 (set up to be as close to my STI Limited gun as possible). Backup is a Centennial Airweight.

Certain Officers carry Remington 870 12 ga. Others (who have been blessed by the administration), myself included, have an AR-15. Mine's a Colt, and they recently authorized M&P ARs.

Gator
June 20, 2008, 11:41 PM
The local constabulary carry HKs.

blkbrd666
June 20, 2008, 11:54 PM
An interesting note: A friend of mine who is vacationing in Italy this week emailed me this morning to tell me, "The police over here all carry Glock 9mm!". I guess he was expecting to see a lot of Berettas...I kinda expected Tanfoglio would be popular there.

A-190
June 21, 2008, 12:27 AM
Retired now but my last duty weapon was a colt double eagle in .38 super.
Several of the older guys still carry the Colt .45 single
the young pups around here are predominantly Sigs with a few glocks thrown in
Hell, I still see the occasional Smith or colt revolver, but those are usually confined to the station pinkies.
Central oklahoma region.

Kind of Blued
June 21, 2008, 12:40 AM
Morgan already covered it, but from what I know, Denver PD allows any 9mm or .45 caliber Glock, including GAP. This kind of suprised me considering the Glock 22's popularity in law enforcement.

Broomfield PD (suburb of Denver) does 9mm, .40, and .45ACP Glocks, but I have talked to one officer who carried a Kimber 1911 that he bought when working for a different department which required officers to buy their own sidearm. A "plain-clothes" Broomfield officer (wearing a Broomfield PD polo shirt) carries a Sub-compact Glock as his sidearm.

Powderman
June 21, 2008, 04:45 AM
My neck of the woods: (Western WA)
King County Sheriff's Office: G22
Pierce Co Sheriff's Office: (G22 issue, different sidearms authorized)
City of Tacoma, WA: G22, Kimber 1911 (issued), AR's in the trunk.
Us: G22 (Issue), other firearms authorized. Backup authorized but not provided. Armalite carbines issued.

Me: Colt Enhanced 1911 (primary) G27 (backup) Colt LE 6920 (AR); Savage 10FP .308 w/ Burris 6-24x50 XTR in drag bag/mat, 2 Harris bipods, spare ammo and data book.

Dept: Puyallup Tribal Police

TimboKhan
June 21, 2008, 04:51 AM
I'd think it would be the other way arround

Oh, I don't know about that. It seems to me that a good number of the boys in blue really aren't gunnies as much as they are guys that happen to carry a gun. Maybe our resident LEO's will tell you differently (and if I am wrong, please do correct me), but I bet you would be surprised at how many cops aren't really interested in guns past what the job requires.

FreeinAZ
June 21, 2008, 05:21 AM
1911 or Glock 21. Both Personally owned. Very liberal carry policy.
Issued M16 or personal M4A3
Benelli M4 or personal Rem. 870
S+W 637 or Kel tec PF9

I was surprised by the number of cops who had never shot before the academy and are not "gun people". As recruitment fell, they started looking outside of traditional circles, for better or worse.

coloradokevin
June 21, 2008, 05:27 AM
I work in Colorado.

I carry a Glock 37 as a duty weapon, a knife as a backup weapon, and an AR-15 as a go-to weapon when I have time to choose what I am bringing to a fight.

Off duty I carry a mini-glock.

TonyB
June 21, 2008, 06:21 AM
Albany NY...city cops carry a smith and wesson 40 cal(not sure the model)but it has like 15lb trigger.....because apparently you want to make it as hard as possible to hit the bad guy....

tacweapon
June 21, 2008, 07:48 AM
Local PD: Sig P229 in .45ACP and tazer on person with M4 in the vehicle supervisor has Remington 870 Less-Lethal
Local Sheriffs: Glock 23 .40S&W and tazer on person can use approved rifle or assault rifle if not Shotgun in vehicle
Local PD and Sheriff SWAT Teams : HK MP5 and Colt M4's with issued Side Arms, various launchers and less lethal weapons, Marksmen rifles are in .308

moooose102
June 21, 2008, 08:29 AM
first, you would be suprised at how many leo's there are on this board. second, if you type in under advanced search "leo back up, origially posted by me, you will find a LOT of interesting BUG reading!

A-190
June 21, 2008, 11:23 AM
I ahve to agree about the fact that a lot of cops arent really as gun active as they should be.
Surprisingly, even cops with a military stint seem to be oh well....in attitude,
But I think from my observation its maybe 50/50 on that count

Concerning the new generation of cops.............when I sat on the hiring board there was one question I would always ask....and loved the fidgeting also and the asinine answers

"When you were in school, win , loose, or draw, were you ever in a fist fight????

Physical violence in this line of work is a given. Ya gotta be able to take a hit and shake it off. And not pull your asap, pr24 or stick and club em down

My gawd, I had one applicant actually say she was opposed to any form of VIOLENCE, she only wanted to do "crime scene" work.That little hot house flower didn't come into the the fold.

Well, I must say its a young mans game and Im glad there are still young MEN who are willing to step up so I could step down. That round to the leg was a tad much.

OH25shooter
June 21, 2008, 01:57 PM
Columbus and Cincinnati, Ohio PD carry the new S&W M&P 40 caliber. Ohio Highway Patrol carry a SigSauer P226, 40 caliber.

KenW.
June 21, 2008, 04:13 PM
My agency will issue an HK USP-40. But we're allowed personal sidearms too. I stay qualified on two 1911s and soon; a new XD45.

Vehicles are equiped with a Mossberg 500 12 ga, and an M-16.

LiquidTension
June 21, 2008, 04:34 PM
Richland County SD - Glock 22
Lexington County SD - Sig 226 .40 or Glock 22 (you see both, they're making the transition from Sig to Glock)
Columbia PD - Sig 220 DAO with 12lb trigger - they did a good job ruining an otherwise decent gun
Dorchester County SD - Glock 22
USC PD - HK compact .357 Sig, variant 3, S&W 642 BUG (issued)
Irmo PD - Glock 22
SLED - choice of Glock 22 or 23

My department - Glock 22 issued, but we can carry any .40 caliber Glock as long as we qualify with it. No other guns allowed. It's against department policy to have ANY other firearms with you on duty, even though our department serves over ten thousand warrants per year. It would be nice to have a shotgun or AR available for raids, but that would just make too much sense :rolleyes:

WC145
June 21, 2008, 04:41 PM
No issued weapons where I work, everything I carry I own:
Beretta M9 (primary)
Kel-tec P3AT (BUG)
Bushmaster C15M4
Mossberg 590A1
Kel-tec SUB-2000 (very handy when you need more range and accuracy than a pistol but haven't time to get to your rifle and shares mags with the Beretta)

MAURICE
June 21, 2008, 04:43 PM
I'm in NW AR, as well.
Fayetteville PD carries G35s, used to carry a Smith of some flavor.
Springdale Carries 17s on Patrol, 19 for CID, etc. Some are issued AR-15s. All get 870s.
Dept of Community Correction Probation/Parole officers carry G23s, IIRC
UofA PD carries 22Cs for patrol, 23Cs for the dicks. They can also carry personal weapons.
State bulls carry the 22.
IIRC Rogers PD officers are issued Glocks, but can carry personal weapons with approval.
Arkansas Department of Correction carries either .357 Smiths or G22s as well as 870s and Mini-14s. They also have a bunch of M16A2 rifles.

Yep, I know a cop or two.

Nolo
June 21, 2008, 05:11 PM
Police around here (Southern Maryland) carry Beretta 92FSs as their sidearm and AR-15s in their squadcars. I can't tell you whether their ARs are auto or not, I was in the back seat at the time...
:uhoh:

The_Sheriff
June 23, 2008, 02:06 AM
The local Police have glock 22's. (.40 S&W)

The Sheriff's used to issue S&W 1911 (.45 ACP)
Sheriff's now issue Glock 22's and some have the compact .40's. Some Deputies still have the S&W 1911's.

DontBurnMyFlag
June 23, 2008, 03:06 AM
I carry a Sig 226 in .40 with a DA/SA trigger with no safety.

I carry a Rem 870 12 gauge magnum in my vehicle.

We are not allowed to have a BUG according to our SOPs.

Our tac officers carry M4's/AR's and our sniper has a Rem 700

I believe that covers everything :cool:

shdwfx
June 23, 2008, 11:17 AM
Now, since there aren't a lot of LEOs on THR,

It seems to me that a good number of the boys in blue really aren't gunnies as much as they are guys that happen to carry a gun.

That is true.
But, I imagine the chances any given LEO is a gunnie to be higher than the chances your average Joe is one.

In the USA (Bureau of Justice stats), there are 2.5 officers per 1000 pop.
On THR, I've heard there are about 30,000 members - not sure if that's active or total?
I'm also fairly certain that there are more than 75 (2.5*30) LEOs on THR.

It's a very safe bet that officers are much better represented on THR than in the general population.

revjen45
June 23, 2008, 11:22 AM
I am not LEO. The Snohomish County Sheriff's standard handgun is the .40 cal Glock.

RustyShackelford
June 23, 2008, 12:58 PM
The large county sheriff's office uses the Glock 21 .45acp. This has been standard issue since 2002, ;). A few old-timers still pack the Beretta 92-FS/M-9 9mmNATO, :D.
The metro PD where I live issues the SIG sauer P-226 9mmNATO. The sworn LEOs in the dept want a new .40 or .357sig but the upper mgmt said; *%$# no! They did settle and allow sworn LEOs to use a PODA .40S&W or .357sig model P-226. This to me is stupid, they had 9mm SIGs for over 16 years but they were to cheap to upgrade, :mad:.
The state troopers/highway patrol use Beretta 96 .40S&W pistols but that may change soon.
Most other small town LEOs/suburbs use the SIG sauer .40S&W or Glock pistols. :D

RS
PS: PODA- Private Owned, Department Aprroved :D

RancidSumo
June 23, 2008, 01:02 PM
Glocks here but I am 99% sure that the shariff carries a 1911

[FH]K96
June 23, 2008, 01:51 PM
My buddy in the San Diego PD is issued some SIG in .40SW. When he visits LA I have only seen his personal Glock 22 when we go to the range.

He has mentioned someone carrying a Kimber in his dept.

RP88
June 23, 2008, 02:08 PM
VA Beach - Glocks, Rem 870s, AR15/M4 rifles

VA State police are, iirc, also the same with their weapons choices.

jws527
June 23, 2008, 02:16 PM
The local PD here (Collier County) provides an equipment stipend (about $3000 IIRC) for officers to put towards the purchase of a personal firearm. A great deal of them seem to carry Glocks, but quite a few also carry Beretta, HK, and Sig.

When I lived there, Tallahassee PD issued Sig Sauer P-series pistols (either P226 or P229, not sure which) in .40. Not sure if this is still the case.

RancidSumo
June 23, 2008, 02:21 PM
I forgot to add that the drug task force guys carry .45s of some sort for the meth lab raids.

justin 561
June 23, 2008, 02:41 PM
PBSO - Palm beach county, Florida = Glock 22
Heavy is Rem. 12 gauge and/or Bushmaster AR-15.

CountGlockula
June 23, 2008, 02:47 PM
LAPD: Glock 22/Glock 27
Sheriffs: Berretta 92f

esq_stu
June 23, 2008, 02:47 PM
(I'm not LEO)

West Bloomfield, Michigan Glock 9mm (17 and 19). I've seen snubby revolvers as BUGs, and I think I heard some may have Glock 26 as BUGs.

ruger_dude
June 23, 2008, 05:13 PM
Used to Carry a Sig 220 before I left the force. To my nowledge they still do.

rc109a
June 24, 2008, 08:01 PM
We carry HK USP40, BUG's are at the discretion of the officer and sheriff. Mine is a 1911 or a S&W airlight.

Claude Clay
June 24, 2008, 08:26 PM
Gamo
with a proven record of shooting alleged innocent people it was felt by the PC's that this is safest :rolleyes:

jr4521
June 24, 2008, 08:39 PM
Sig 226 .40 Dak no bug allowed.

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